Speculation: 2023-24-25 Sharks Roster Discussion

[DG93]

There’s no reason to trade Couture. He’s a good vet, can play any forward position, and it’s not like we need the cap space. I’m currently satisfied with the cap situation we have, other than Vlasic, whom I keep forgetting is even on this roster.

Actually, it’s pretty insane how much dead cap we have for the next few years. Between Burns/Karlsson retention, Knyzhov/Lindblom/Simek in the minors, and Jones/Balcers buy out, that’s like $10M.

Tons of great cap hits and their expiration dates (and that's not including actually useful players like Barabanov, Duclair, Sturm, Granlund, and Hertl):

This year: Lindblom, Simek, Labanc, and Hoffman deals + Balcers 300K left (!)
2024-2025: Rutta deal, Knyzhov deal, Burns cap hit comes off the books
2025-2026: Vlasic, Ferraro, Benning and Burroughs (small cap hits but still)
2026-2027: Couture, Karlsson retention comes off the books, and Jones' buyout FINALLY ends (good lord that was a bad deal)

PS: Vlasic's buyout ain't half bad after this year if they want to dump his useless ass...save some money in 2024-2026 and only add 1.67M in 2026-2028, which isn't too bad at all

 

[fasterthanlight]

Tons of great cap hits and their expiration dates (and that's not including actually useful players like Barabanov, Duclair, Sturm, Granlund, and Hertl):

This year: Lindblom, Simek, Labanc, and Hoffman deals + Balcers 300K left (!)
2024-2025: Rutta deal, Knyzhov deal, Burns cap hit comes off the books
2025-2026: Vlasic, Ferraro, Benning and Burroughs (small cap hits but still)
2026-2027: Couture, Karlsson retention comes off the books, and Jones' buyout FINALLY ends (good lord that was a bad deal)

PS: Vlasic's buyout ain't half bad after this year if they want to dump his useless ass...save some money in 2024-2026 and only add 1.67M in 2026-2028, which isn't too bad at all

why cant we just ltir vlasic like every other team would. we 2 honest

 

[DG93]

why cant we just ltir vlasic like every other team would. we 2 honest

1/8 update: Vlasic LTIR'd for chronic butthole-itis

 

[StanleyCup2035]

There’s no reason to trade Couture. He’s a good vet, can play any forward position, and it’s not like we need the cap space. I’m currently satisfied with the cap situation we have, other than Vlasic, whom I keep forgetting is even on this roster.

Actually, it’s pretty insane how much dead cap we have for the next few years. Between Burns/Karlsson retention, Knyzhov/Lindblom/Simek in the minors, and Jones/Balcers buy out, that’s like $10M.

I was wondering if Couture might be interested in being traded to have a chance of winning Stanley Cup before he retires. He won't win Stanley Cup as a Shark.

 

[Juxtaposer]

I was wondering if Couture might be interested in being traded to have a chance of winning Stanley Cup before he retires. He won't win Stanley Cup as a Shark.

Obviously he’s allowed to change his mind; but if Couture didn’t want to be a Shark, he’d be gone like Burns and Karlsson. Grier has been candid with the vets and Couture isn’t stupid, he knows the score.

 

[DG93]

Obviously he’s allowed to change his mind; but if Couture didn’t want to be a Shark, he’d be gone like Burns and Karlsson. Grier has been candid with the vets and Couture isn’t stupid, he knows the score.

Agreed, it seems like Couture and Hertl are content ending their careers the same way Shane Doan did...at least so far

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Agreed, it seems like Couture and Hertl are content ending their careers the same way Shane Doan did...at least so far

Maybe but there's also a lot to this sort of situation and I tend to believe that all parties involved understand one another. Grier has told both of them he would try to accommodate them if they wanted to be traded. It's pretty well demonstrated that Grier has certain parameters he's likely to need for a trade of either of them to be to their benefit. Both these guys have newborns. I'm not saying it's impossible to get something worked out. I just don't know that content to end their careers here is really accurate. They may have other priorities that are understandable and those priorities may change as years wear on and the team is a little more willing to make a deal. I can't imagine the Sharks being that interested in trading these two unless there's significant draft capital or prospects are on the table that is more than just a single playoff team's 1st round pick.

 

[Alaskanice]

Siegenthaler just broke his foot in Jersey. Could MGGM deal with the Devils again?

 

[CanucksSayEh]

What would you want from Vancouver for Hertl?

Management is real high on their recent picks. Petterson, Willander and Lekkermaki, so probably a no go for them.

Podkolzin and Raty aren't their picks, so both up for grabs. Any future pick of course on the table.

Equal money would need to go back. Cole & Mikeyev would do the trick. Cole is a good piece to flip for a middle pick, Mikeyev maybe as well.

Might also need a cheap depth dman to replace Cole. I liked Burroughs here..

 

[coooldude]

What would you want from Vancouver for Hertl?

Management is real high on their recent picks. Petterson, Willander and Lekkermaki, so probably a no go for them.

Podkolzin and Raty aren't their picks, so both up for grabs. Any future pick of course on the table.

Equal money would need to go back. Cole & Mikeyev would do the trick. Cole is a good piece to flip for a middle pick, Mikeyev maybe as well.

Might also need a cheap depth dman to replace Cole. I liked Burroughs here..

Hertl is still a solid puck possession center with scoring potential, some play driving in the offensive zone, and solid defensive play. He can also play wing and lean more into the scoring role, as he did effectively in his early career with Jumbo. Maybe he serves as a very strong 2C or 2W for VAN.

I feel like it's gonna take one or more of the big prospects and a future first and second, using the Meier deal as a template, and he has to want to go to VAN. Beyond that vague description, other posters with a lot more knowledge about trade markets and contract values will have to chime in.

 

[Juxtaposer]

What would you want from Vancouver for Hertl?

Management is real high on their recent picks. Petterson, Willander and Lekkermaki, so probably a no go for them.

Podkolzin and Raty aren't their picks, so both up for grabs. Any future pick of course on the table.

Equal money would need to go back. Cole & Mikeyev would do the trick. Cole is a good piece to flip for a middle pick, Mikeyev maybe as well.

Might also need a cheap depth dman to replace Cole. I liked Burroughs here..

There was a recent “Hertl to Vancouver” thread on the trade forum recently, you’ll find our answers more thoroughly explained.

The TL;DR is that if Willander and Lekkerimaki are off the table, so is Hertl. You have nothing else I’m interested in.

 

[cheechoo]

Hertl is still really really really good. He's a player that drastically raises the competitive ceiling of a franchise.

Would need Willander back as the centerpiece.

 

[STL Shark]

There’s no reason to trade Couture. He’s a good vet, can play any forward position, and it’s not like we need the cap space. I’m currently satisfied with the cap situation we have, other than Vlasic, whom I keep forgetting is even on this roster.

Actually, it’s pretty insane how much dead cap we have for the next few years. Between Burns/Karlsson retention, Knyzhov/Lindblom/Simek in the minors, and Jones/Balcers buy out, that’s like $10M.

Are you talking about money coming off the books? Because Lindblom/Simek/Balcers are gone this year. Knyzhov is a whopping $100k in the minors so not sure where the "next few years" part comes into play.

We will have $5.7M in dead cap next year compared to the ~$10M this year. If you add Vlasic to that list, you're back to that ~$10M in dead cap next year again, but with overall cap savings of ~$3M. For a team that will have offloaded as many big contracts as we have (Jones, Burns, Karlsson, and Vlasic), it's actually a really solid cap position to be in compared to others around the league that have moved big money deals (cough cough Minnesota).

 

[Bizz]

We're at 51 Million in cap next season with only Barabanov and a bridge deal for Borderleau being the only two expiring contracts worth keeping around. We might actually have to find a way to get to the cap floor.

 

[Hodge]

We're at 51 Million in cap next season with only Barabanov and a bridge deal for Borderleau being the only two expiring contracts worth keeping around. We might actually have to find a way to get to the cap floor.

How are Barabanov and Bordeleau worth keeping around?

 

[Kcoyote3]

How are Barabanov and Bordeleau worth keeping around?

I think Barabanov is gone by the deadline regardless, and I think Bords should not be written off while he is still waivers exempt. Cutting him loose is dumb. He's not blocking anyone from coming up the ranks and you just risk him putting it all together elsewhere. Unforced error.

 

[Hodge]

I think Barabanov is gone by the deadline regardless, and I think Bords should not be written off while he is still waivers exempt. Cutting him loose is dumb. He's not blocking anyone from coming up the ranks and you just risk him putting it all together elsewhere. Unforced error.

Not saying Bordeleau is a non-tender candidate but we should try to capitalize on whatever shred of value he has remaining to address the more pressing need on defense.

 

[Kcoyote3]

Not saying Bordeleau is a non-tender candidate but we should try to capitalize on whatever shred of value he has remaining to address the more pressing need on defense.

Would be a Grier thing to do for sure. He has had no problem with cutting all the DW/DWJr guys.

 

[LadyStanley]

Predicts Kappo trade

 

[LilLeeroy]

Predicts Kappo trade

If Chrona is one of the two starters for the rest of the year I don't know how Chicago would be able to compete with that.

 

[Kcoyote3]

If Chrona is one of the two starters for the rest of the year I don't know how Chicago would be able to compete with that.

Think we get back a bad starter in a trade for Kaapo

 

[TheBeard]

Hodge acts like Bordeleau is a 35 year old journeyman and not a young player who just turned 22 a couple days ago.

 

[DG93]

Hodge acts like Bordeleau is a 35 year old journeyman and not a young player who just turned 22 a couple days ago.

While that is true about Bordeleau being 22yo, his development so far is concerning...it's not a zero chance that he'll turn it around with a couple more years, but prospects that typically make the NHL usually have a different looking development curve (especially with his not so favorable size/speed combination).

 

[TheBeard]

While that is true about Bordeleau being 22yo, his development so far is concerning...it's not a zero chance that he'll turn it around with a couple more years, but prospects that typically make the NHL usually have a different looking development curve (especially with his not so favorable size/speed combination).

No one on the Barracuda at forward has taken a step forward. Maybe Gush. McCarthy simply hasn't done a good job.

 

[Hobocop]

While that is true about Bordeleau being 22yo, his development so far is concerning...it's not a zero chance that he'll turn it around with a couple more years, but prospects that typically make the NHL usually have a different looking development curve (especially with his not so favorable size/speed combination).

His defense and overall workrate has gotten better this year, but on the offensive side he looks more or less the same as he did in 22-23.

The move to LW hasn't really affected things a whole lot for him, IMO.