Speculation: 2023-24-25 Sharks Roster Discussion

[LadyStanley]

Kappo apparently available.

Blackwood not mentioned

 

[Hodge]

Except Huberdeau has seven and a half years remaining on his deal, not four, and unlike Karlsson Huberdeau has never and will never even sniff a major award, in addition to playing the least important position in the game. Huberdeau’s contract is so long that when we are trying to compete, he’ll still be on the books, unlike Karlsson/Couture/Vlasic/etc.

It’s like the Hertl contract you complain about, except if Hertl cost $2M more per year and was a soft, useless, one-way winger with no leadership value.

Obviously the Flames can’t afford to attach the number of 1st round picks to Huberdeau that it would take to move him without crippling their franchise for years. That’s why that contract is going nowhere. The Flames are just going to have to eat it.

Karlsson would have had six years remaining on his deal in 2021 which I compared it to. Furthermore, he was in the same situation Huberdeau is in now having signed a big contract two years prior then turning in two extremely disappointing seasons.

All I'm saying is it would have been an unmitigated disaster if we had traded a 1st round pick and/or other futures to get rid of Karlsson in 2021. Calgary is in the same spot so it would be crazy for them to consider something similar with Huberdeau. They need to ride out the contract a few more years and pray for a similar resolution to what we had with Karlsson.

 

[LadyStanley]

Guys with expiring contracts:

Goalies: RFA: Kähkönen, Mäkiniemi*. UFA Warm.

Defense: (Group 1) Free Thrun .RFA: Addison*, Emberson*, Gawanke, Okhotiuk. UFA (Group 3): MacDonald, Simek. UFA Frisch, Kinal.

Forwards: (Group 1) Free Bordeleau. RFA: Coe, Kunin*, Lindblom, Peterson*, Russell, Studnicka*, Zadina*. UFA (Group 3): Bailey, Barabanov, Carpenter, Duclair, Hoffman, Labanc. UFA Cassels, Kaspick, MacEachern, Marek, Vincent.

 

[PacificOceanPotion]

Guys with expiring contracts:

Goalies: RFA: Kähkönen, Mäkiniemi*. UFA Warm.

Defense: (Group 1) Free Thrun .RFA: Addison*, Emberson*, Gawanke, Okhotiuk. UFA (Group 3): MacDonald, Simek. UFA Frisch, Kinal.

Forwards: (Group 1) Free Bordeleau. RFA: Coe, Kunin*, Lindblom, Peterson*, Russell, Studnicka*, Zadina*. UFA (Group 3): Bailey, Barabanov, Carpenter, Duclair, Hoffman, Labanc. UFA Cassels, Kaspick, MacEachern, Marek, Vincent.

Id re sign: Mäkiniemi, Thrun, Addison, Okhotiuk, Bailey, Zadina and Barabanov.

 

[Sendhelplease]

Id re sign: Mäkiniemi, Thrun, Addison, Okhotiuk, Bailey, Zadina and Barabanov.

No Emberson??? Ty Emberson has been excellent for us this year and is only 23. I also don't see why we would resign Zadina unless it is for the league minimum or something close to it.

 

[Hodge]

No Emberson??? Ty Emberson has been excellent for us this year and is only 23. I also don't see why we would resign Zadina unless it is for the league minimum or something close to it.

Yeah, Emberson and Okhotiuk are the only guys I would re-sign out of that entire list.

 

[PacificOceanPotion]

No Emberson??? Ty Emberson has been excellent for us this year and is only 23. I also don't see why we would resign Zadina unless it is for the league minimum or something close to it.

Don’t know how I left Emberson out. Yes, I agree on Emberson.

 

[Barrie22]

Id re sign: Mäkiniemi, Thrun, Addison, Okhotiuk, Bailey, Zadina and Barabanov.

Zadina is only useful at being good for the tank. But useless at every thing else.

 

[Cas]

Zadina is only useful at being good for the tank. But useless at every thing else.

Zadina is indeed pointless and likely spends next season in Europe.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

32 thoughts mentioned a dark horse goalie teams might be looking at, Kahkonen is one.

 

[Jargon]

I’d like to bring Bailey back, I think he’s a good 4th liner with some skill. I’d sign Thrun, Okhotiuk and Emberson, especially if I’m thinking of trading Ferraro. I really wanted Zadina to succeed but unless he has a killer second part of the season, he seems very easily replaceable. Barabanov I’ve always liked and don’t mind keeping around too.

All that said, I’d have to understand Grier’s plan for next year before I know who I’d want to sign. Is it float on like this year, get a high draft pick and insulate our prospects? Then sure, keep Zadina, etc. Is it to start turning things around? Then okay, we need space for actual skill guys and prospects.

 

[Hodge]

32 thoughts mentioned a dark horse goalie teams might be looking at, Kahkonen is one.

He's having an excellent season and is still relatively young by goalie standards. I would settle for a 3rd but I wonder if we could get a 2nd.

 

[Gecklund]

He's having an excellent season and is still relatively young by goalie standards. I would settle for a 3rd but I wonder if we could get a 2nd.

I’ll be honest I’d be very happy with a third. I don’t know if they even get that. There just isn’t a ton of teams trading for questionable goalies at the TDL even though there’s always reports of them looking.

Fleury for a 2nd (playoff experience)
Lehner for a 2nd (starter)
Domingue for a contract
Hutchinson for a contract

These are the only 4 goalie trades since 2020 at the TDL despite there being reports of a bunch of teams interested. Fleury and Lehner were both seen as starters at that point and Domingue and Hutchinson were 3Gs. I think we are looking at something closer to a change of scenery type trade for Kahkonen similar to how we got him. Maybe we can convince TOR to do something like Kahkonen+Benning for Liljgren+Samsonov or BUF Kahkonen+Sturm for Krebs+UPL/Comrie+pick.

 

[Hodge]

I’ll be honest I’d be very happy with a third. I don’t know if they even get that. There just isn’t a ton of teams trading for questionable goalies at the TDL even though there’s always reports of them looking.

Fleury for a 2nd (playoff experience)
Lehner for a 2nd (starter)
Domingue for a contract
Hutchinson for a contract

These are the only 4 goalie trades since 2020 at the TDL despite there being reports of a bunch of teams interested. Fleury and Lehner were both seen as starters at that point and Domingue and Hutchinson were 3Gs. I think we are looking at something closer to a change of scenery type trade for Kahkonen similar to how we got him. Maybe we can convince TOR to do something like Kahkonen+Benning for Liljgren+Samsonov or BUF Kahkonen+Sturm for Krebs+UPL/Comrie+pick.

I think Kahkonen is playing better than any of those guys were at the time of those trades but obviously he doesn't have anything close to Lehner or Fleury's track record. Goalie trades are definitely rare but I think a 3rd round pick is realistic given the apparent demand this season.

 

[Juxtaposer]

It’s amazing how little quality goaltending there is in the league anymore.

 

[coooldude]

It’s amazing how little quality goaltending there is in the league anymore.

Probably more a function of the position. Generally goaltending has evolved into a probability focused, movement and positioning and size is all about being close enough to the right place and minimizing the risk a puck gets through you. In other words, how to be less bad rather than how to be really good. The difference between best and worst becomes a lot more about the team around you, and processing times, and nuances of body shape and athleticism. I'm hypothesizing here... But I'm guessing the distribution of goalkeeping performance is tighter now than 10-20 years ago, and you see that in contract value and term, cap hit, and goalie fungibility. It's also such a mental and positioning focus that you don't see young super athlete phenoms coming in... Most everyone takes years and years to just get to the baseline that the current approach to the position is asking of you. Higher floor, lower ceiling.

Tldr I think the goaltending quality is probably better but also probably tightly distributed and more standardized/less flashy, so there are fewer upside outliers either.

 

[LadyStanley]

 

[hohosaregood]

It’s amazing how little quality goaltending there is in the league anymore.

my theory is that the change to the offside rule being a plane has allowed for more speed through the neutral zone and it's been killing most defensive structures and goalies.

 

[Pavelski2112]

my theory is that the change to the offside rule being a plane has allowed for more speed through the neutral zone and it's been killing most defensive structures and goalies.

Yea it's honestly just a faster and more skilled game and goalies haven't adjusted yet.

 

[StanleyCup2035]

Yea it's honestly just a faster and more skilled game and goalies haven't adjusted yet.

Looking forward to Sharks drafting Zeev Buium with the Pittsburg pick.

Am Yisrael Chai​

 

[Sendhelplease]

Looking forward to Sharks drafting Zeev Buium with the Pittsburg pick.

Am Yisrael Chai​

Between the Hughes brothers, Adam Fox, Devon Levi, Buium, and others Jewish hockey is stronger than ever!

 

[Juxtaposer]

my theory is that the change to the offside rule being a plane has allowed for more speed through the neutral zone and it's been killing most defensive structures and goalies.

I think the pads size reduction is the biggest culprit; it single-handedly ruined Martin Jones.

 

[Pavelski2112]

I think the pads size reduction is the biggest culprit; it single-handedly ruined Martin Jones.

Definitely a big part of it as well, but I think with Jones he also had plenty of injury trouble around the same time that didn't help.

 

[Cas]

I think the pads size reduction is the biggest culprit; it single-handedly ruined Martin Jones.

Speaking of Jones, I think he's about a week away from the annual "Jones has turned it around" arguments, and about three weeks away from the annual "please just fire Jones into the Sun" pleading.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Hi guys and gals, what would the ask be for Blackwood or Kahkonen? I'd probably be looking to move Brett Kulak out in this or another trade to try and offset the cap.