I think there’s enough there between Broberg’s size, speed, age, pedigree and AHL track record that I value him higher than say the Oilers 2024 lotto protected 1st. Doubt we could get both as it would make more sense for Edmonton to just ride out the season then buy Campbell out.
To SJ:
I think valuing Broberg more than the Oiler's lotto protected 1st is absurd. He is nearing bust territory. I'd value Broberg at a late 2nd or 3rd pick. He has size and speed but seems to lack the NHL caliber decision making that is required to succeed.
Broberg is indisputably a NHLer, the only question is whether he’s a career third pairing guy or something more. Who do you think will be available to us with the Oilers 1st which is likely to fall in the 16th-32nd overall range? A prospect who will be lucky to be in the aforementioned position in 4 years.
He is not a third pairing guy right now on a team that struggles on defense. I simply think that if the Sharks offered the oilers a second round pick right now to the oilers for Broberg the oilers would accept. Broberg's value has dropped since he was drafted in 2019, he has not established himself as an NHL player and will be waiver eligible in one year. Like a future draft pick he is not a proven NHL player but he has far less track to take off than a draft pick.
I would much rather have that 1st. I don't trust Edmonton to be a good team from year to year. Even if it gets pushed back a year it could be a decently high pick. Broberg I wouldn't throw more than a late round pick at. He is much closer to bust territory than top 4 defenseman.
Broberg represents the better value in a certain sense, but fans are always going to be drawn to the lottery-esque quality that draft picks have. Plus, one could argue that the Sharks need to be going for draft picks because their most important need is high-end impact players.
The odds of drafting a high-end impact player with a pick in the second half of the first round are effectively zero.
A first+3rd. Broberg isn’t very good at all and doesn’t really have value.
A 22 year old 6’4 215 defenseman with elite skating ability drafted 8th overall who already has 200+ games of high level pro experience “doesn’t really have value”? I would love to hear the logic behind that statement.
They've been trying to use Broberg for a while now and it's not going to be enough on its own because Broberg just doesn't have that sort of trade value. Broberg doesn't move the needle at all in terms of value with a dump like Campbell. It's two 1st round picks with Campbell even with us sending back Kahkonen and Rutta or they have to take back or retain more money.
In their current position the Oilers are not likely to trade a single 1st let alone multiple just to dump Campbell. They will buy him out before doing that.
79 NHL games over three seasons with 11 points on a team that would love to maximize any sort of ELC that they currently have again in the minors. They don't keep Kulak and go out and get Ekholm in part without a lack of belief that Broberg was going to get the job done. Addison had more experience, more production, and in a more valued position and didn't return anything near the ability to dump a major contract like Campbell's.
And so they will because they're not going to get rid of Campbell w/o trading a 1st at a minimum. There is no stack worth absorbing Campbell's contract for them w/o 1st round picks. Edmonton just doesn't have those sorts of assets.
I like Calen Addison, especially at the price we paid for him, but he is a dime a dozen player. Defensemen with Broberg’s combination of size and skating are rare and coveted for a reason.
Yeah they would be if the talent to be an NHL'er is actually there. It's not with Broberg. Mukhamadullin doesn't actually have trade value until he proves himself either. It's one thing to be a part of a rental trade. It's quite another to be the main piece of a cap dump deal of this magnitude. Mukhamadullin wouldn't be enough to dump Vlasic's contract.
Vlasic’s contract is much worse than Campbell’s. Vlasic is 5 years older, his cap hit is 2M higher, the contract is buyout proof thanks to signing bonuses in the final 2 years and he has no chance of bouncing back to even a fraction of his contract value. Campbell plays a volatile position where players can and do go from AHL quality one year to Vezina caliber the next and he is not owed any more signing bonuses which makes for a clean buyout.
I think it's more definitive that Broberg isn't going to pan out at this stage than it is for Mukhamadullin. Lots of people like Broberg don't make it work in the NHL so there's no sense in ignoring what's already out there for him just because you fall in love with his size and skating.
Again, he is 6 months older than Mukhamadullin. If we’re already writing off Broberg we should be getting ready to write off Shak too. I think that would be very unwise in both cases.
Broberg is bigger and a significantly better skater than Thrun and has a far longer track record of pro success despite being slightly younger. There’s a reason one was drafted 8th overall and the other 100th in the same draft. They are not comparable assets at all. Also nobody said Broberg alone is enough to counteract Campbell’s negative value.
I mean you were tooting the horn hard for Lundkvist a while back and he’s been in and out of the lineup for a weak Dallas d-core.
There's a big difference there though. I don't have to eat Campbell's contract in order to see what Mukhamadullin has. Broberg also hasn't shown enough to me to warrant supplanting any of the kids we do have in the same position for him. I'd rather continue giving opportunities to Okhotiuk, Thrun, and eventually Mukhamadullin over adding someone like Broberg who doesn't do anything with his NHL opportunities.
Broberg is a much better prospect than Lundkvist and a far rarer and more valuable player type. Also IIRC I was shouted down for wanting to trade Bordeleau for Lundkvist which would have been a great trade for us.
