Speculation: 2023-24-25 Sharks Roster Discussion

[Hodge]

The current regime has made multiple moves--buying out Balcers and the structure of the Karlsson trade--that suggests they are sensitive to the amount of salary they are paying out during the tank. They would have gotten a lot more for Karlsson if they were willing to retain 50% of his salary.

Not sure how you can come to that conclusion when the Sharks essentially spent above the salary cap ceiling last season and this season. Instead of retaining $20 million on Karlsson they retained $6 million and took back an additional $21 million in undesirable salary. You can certainly disagree with that decision but it wasn't made out of an aversion to spending money, it was made because they preferred to bear the brunt of the inefficient spending as quickly as possible and preserve future flexibility in years they are more likely to be competitive.

Similarly, the Balcers buyout wasn't made to save ~$1 million that they ended up spending on other players anyway, it was made to take advantage of Balcers' eligibility for 1/3 buyout as an easy way to get him off the team because Grier didn't value him as a player.

Including paying Lindblom, Simek and now Knyzhov to play for the Barracuda, the Sharks are spending something like $90 million on total salary expenditure this season. There's no reason to think ownership will do a complete 180 and refuse to spend over the floor next season.

 

[jarr92]

Not sure how you can come to that conclusion when the Sharks essentially spent above the salary cap ceiling last season and this season. Instead of retaining $20 million on Karlsson they retained $6 million and took back an additional $21 million in undesirable salary.

 

[Hodge]

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We're literally spending more than the cap ceiling right now. Maybe Hasso has a specific aversion to the optics of salary retention but whether you're paying Karlsson to play for the Penguins or Rutta to play for the Sharks it's the same money being flushed down the toilet.

 

[jarr92]

We're literally spending more than the cap ceiling right now. Maybe Hasso has a specific aversion to the optics of salary retention but whether you're paying Karlsson to play for the Penguins or Rutta to play for the Sharks it's the same money being flushed down the toilet.

I don't think Hasso is afraid to spend money, but if he wanted to get more value from Karlsson he could have and yet chose to retain less. That does say something IMO.

Re: salary acquired - I'd imagine the hope was to increase the value of Granlund and Hoffman for a potential trade. Given their recent play I don't think that scenario is out of the question.

 

[Hodge]

I don't think Hasso is afraid to spend money, but if he wanted to get more value from Karlsson he could have and yet chose to retain less. That does say something IMO.

Re: salary acquired - I'd imagine the hope was to increase the value of Granlund and Hoffman for a potential trade. Given their recent play I don't think that scenario is out of the question.

It says something but it's unclear what. Hasso greenlit the Burns trade so it doesn't appear he is flat out opposed to the idea of paying someone millions a year to play for a different team, unless his thinking changed drastically in 12 months. Maybe he was just specifically opposed to retaining on Karlsson coming off a 100 point Norris season. Kinda dumb but I would categorize that as more ego driven (or "competitive" to put a positive spin on it) than driven by a desire to spend less money on the team while they're rebuilding.

If that's true regarding Granlund and Hoffman then it should be pretty easy for Grier to sell Hasso on the merits of reacquiring Goodrow, a franchise icon for his Game 7 OT goal and 2x Cup champ renowned for his leadership and perseverance who can help guide the next wave of Sharks.

 

[Karl Prime]

Friedman called Ferraro "a heck of a player." Trade him for all the draft picks!

 

[LadyStanley]

Sharks listening on D. Ferraro and Vlasic mentioned.

(Toronto hurting for D)

 

[Mattb124]

Paraphrasing “Vlasic is starting to look good and the Sharks are starting to play good”.

Uh….he has been healthy scratched in 4 of the 5 games the Sharks won.

 

[themelkman]

Paraphrasing “Vlasic is starting to look good and the Sharks are starting to play good”.

Uh….he has been healthy scratched in 4 of the 5 games the Sharks won.

Shhh just let him help us out

 

[gaucholoco3]

I don't think Hasso is afraid to spend money, but if he wanted to get more value from Karlsson he could have and yet chose to retain less. That does say something IMO.

Re: salary acquired - I'd imagine the hope was to increase the value of Granlund and Hoffman for a potential trade. Given their recent play I don't think that scenario is out of the question.

There is no way to know that there were bigger offers gif more retention. Grier still got a first out of it with minimal cap impact after next season. The decision to retain only 1 million might not have been Hasso’s. There is a real hockey reason to not retain more when he still got a 1st.

 

[Internazionale]

First team that offers a 2nd for Ferraro gets him.

 

[Reggae Shark]

Ferraro and a 3rd for Easton Cowan.

 

[Kcoyote3]

Sounds like Friedman talk

 

[TheBeard]

First team that offers a 2nd for Ferraro gets him.

If we want this team to lose every game by 6 then by all means.

 

[Hodge]

Ferraro to the Islanders for 2nd+Wahlstrom?

 

[Harbessix]

Ferraro to the Islanders for 2nd+Wahlstrom?

I’d love to trade Mario to the Leafs in a deal involving Topi Niemela.

 

[Barrie22]

If we want this team to lose every game by 6 then by all means.

With him as the top ice time earner on the team we already do lose like that every night.

 

[Jts4thgoal]

The Leafs will tack on Reaves if there is a deal for Ferraro.

 

[Mattb124]

If we want this team to lose every game by 6 then by all means.

It could very well be addition by subtraction. Ferraro plays a lot of minutes, but all that seems to do is pad his +-. He has been pretty bad this year, lots of goals against based on bonehead decisions by him.

 

[Jargon]

I have to say I really dig Duclair as a person. If we’re offered spare parts for him I’d rather keep him around as a vet to help our budding new team. He seems to really have taken that on and seems really beloved by the team - guys like him are important in rebuilds too.

 

[timorous me]

I have to say I really dig Duclair as a person. If we’re offered spare parts for him I’d rather keep him around as a vet to help our budding new team. He seems to really have taken that on and seems really beloved by the team - guys like him are important in rebuilds too.

Even if he doesn't really ever get going this season, he wouldn't be bad to keep around on a shorter-term deal, one or two years, as we know the potential he does possess. And he's still young enough that it could make sense for him (in terms of getting a better deal if he does rebound) and for the team as a fairly low-risk signing who could yet return some trade value before the new short-term deal would expire.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

This caught my attention: apparently either near last year's trade deadline or before the draft, the Canes made a big push for Ferraro but ultimately couldn't close the deal (they made a small rental trade for Ghost instead and then replaced him with Orlov in UFA). I wonder if the Canes circle back once Skjei and/or Pesce get their big UFA contracts elsewhere.

Also, if Carolina was the team coveting Ferraro early on, with their reputation for 6-deep defensive lineups, maybe the message to San Jose is "keep him" or "start a bidding war" lmao!

 

[Lebanezer]

This caught my attention: apparently either near last year's trade deadline or before the draft, the Canes made a big push for Ferraro but ultimately couldn't close the deal (they made a small rental trade for Ghost instead and then replaced him with Orlov in UFA). I wonder if the Canes circle back once Skjei and/or Pesce get their big UFA contracts elsewhere.

Also, if Carolina was the team coveting Ferraro early on, with their reputation for 6-deep defensive lineups, maybe the message to San Jose is "keep him" or "start a bidding war" lmao!

I would trade him for a second and another pick.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

I would trade him for a second and another pick.

If Carolina, a team well-known for its defensive excellence, covets Ferraro, the Sharks know that they can get at least a 1st for him. Because he's locked up for two more seasons at a good cap hit, I'd look for a cap-strapped team to make it happen.

 

[Hodge]

If Carolina, a team well-known for its defensive excellence, covets Ferraro, the Sharks know that they can get at least a 1st for him. Because he's locked up for two more seasons at a good cap hit, I'd look for a cap-strapped team to make it happen.

Precisely. I may not think very highly of the player but the fact that the Hurricanes do (or at one point did?) signals to the market that he is a legit asset. Wouldn't surprise me one bit if the Sharks leaked that nugget to Friedman in an attempt to start a bidding war.