Speculation: 2023-24-25 Sharks Roster Discussion

[Cas]

Don't send Ferraro back to pair with Burns, that's just cruel.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

Precisely. I may not think very highly of the player but the fact that the Hurricanes do (or at one point did?) signals to the market that he is a legit asset. Wouldn't surprise me one bit if the Sharks leaked that nugget to Friedman in an attempt to start a bidding war.

I imagine that Ferraro's play has been significantly hindered by the utterly awful roster around him. Good players on terrible teams can be difficult to evaluate, especially if said player is not an offensive one.

Don't send Ferraro back to pair with Burns, that's just cruel.

We got Slavin for that, thank you very much. A Ferraro acquisition is about the bottom-pairing. Once Skjei likely departs this offseason in UFA, the Canes will still have Slavin and Orlov locking up the 1 and 2 LD slots. Ferraro would occupy the 3rd pair.

 

[sharski]

Maybe Ferraro was who they've wanted all along and they just settled for Burns

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

Maybe Ferraro was who they've wanted all along and they just settled for Burns

The rumor was about last trade deadline or before the draft. They were looking for a premium bottom-pair addition and eventually went for Ghost/Orlov.

 

[Hodge]

I imagine that Ferraro's play has been significantly hindered by the utterly awful roster around him. Good players on terrible teams can be difficult to evaluate, especially if said player is not an offensive one.

Ferraro has undoubtedly been overused to a criminal degree. If that hasn't permanently ruined his development, I still think he's capable of being the lesser half of a two-way second pairing on a good team which would be a great value at his cap hit.

That said, he's not very big for a primarily defensive defenseman at a time when the league seems more obsessed than ever with size on defense so I'm not sure what a fair return even looks like.

 

[one2gamble]

I'd still move him for a 2nd and nothing more but it sounds like more is on the table

 

[Hodge]

I'd still move him for a 2nd and nothing more but it sounds like more is on the table

It sounds like we should be able to hold out for more.

 

[coooldude]

I imagine that Ferraro's play has been significantly hindered by the utterly awful roster around him. Good players on terrible teams can be difficult to evaluate, especially if said player is not an offensive one.



We got Slavin for that, thank you very much. A Ferraro acquisition is about the bottom-pairing. Once Skjei likely departs this offseason in UFA, the Canes will still have Slavin and Orlov locking up the 1 and 2 LD slots. Ferraro would occupy the 3rd pair.

Absolutely, Ferraro is being asked to carry too much of a load. He's a great depth player but he's not a top pairing D. Upside as a middle pairing D with a really good PMD, perhaps, but likely just a very solid 3rd pairing guy who will work his ass off and be great in the locker room.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

Absolutely, Ferraro is being asked to carry too much of a load. He's a great depth player but he's not a top pairing D. Upside as a middle pairing D with a really good PMD, perhaps, but likely just a very solid 3rd pairing guy who will work his ass off and be great in the locker room.

The Canes have Nikishin (LHD prospect who famously destroyed the KHL at age 21 and is now widely considered the best defenseman outside of the NHL) coming up in two seasons. Having Ferraro around could ease him into the NHL and lighten his load during his first season in NA.

 

[Friday]

He's a 25 year old D man wearing an A on a rebuilding squad and that shows they don't see him as being part of the other side of the rebuild? Interesting to see how other franchises value him. I think Ferraro should make for a great 5/6 guy on a contending team, SJ just has no choice but to over play him into spots above his head.

 

[Juxtaposer]

The Canes have Nikishin (LHD prospect who famously destroyed the KHL at age 21 and is now widely considered the best defenseman outside of the NHL) coming up in two seasons. Having Ferraro around could ease him into the NHL and lighten his load during his first season in NA.

A little unrelated, but are you guys concerned about Scott Morrow not signing at all?

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

A little unrelated, but are you guys concerned about Scott Morrow not signing at all?

Ferraro would not impact Morrow, who's a RHD. Morrow likely succeeds Burns.

 

[Juxtaposer]

Ferraro would not impact Morrow, who's a RHD. Morrow likely succeeds Burns.

I wasn’t suggesting he would, I was asking if you guys have any concern about Morrow signing.

 

[Mattb124]

I imagine that Ferraro's play has been significantly hindered by the utterly awful roster around him. Good players on terrible teams can be difficult to evaluate, especially if said player is not an offensive one.

These past two season it has been hindered by him vapor locking when forced to make quick decisions. There have been multiple goals against this year where he was the one guy on small area 2 on 1's where he didn't covered the shot or the pass but got stuck in between. He looked a bit better in last night's game (a rare bright spot), but he has a season+ of demonstrating the inability to make the right decision. I love his hustle and he has been showing some flashes of improving offensive instincts, but in terms of actually on-ice effectiveness there is not that much there.

 

[Kevin27NYI]

What’s Ferraros game like? What are his skill sets?

 

[Cas]

What’s Ferraros game like? What are his skill sets?

He blocks shots.

Ferraro is reasonably mobile and willing to accept a lot of physical punishment. He's not particularly good positionally, his stickwork is unremarkable, he is a very poor puckhandler, and has zero offensive talents save for a hard, but inaccurate and not dangerous shot. He doesn't really dole out a lot of hits himself, and his play along the boards is unremarkable. He's not particularly good at preventing clean zone entries, and is emphatically not good at exiting the zone cleanly, whether by carrying the puck himself, passing it out of the zone, or clearing the puck out without icing it (or, for that matter, clearing it at all).

Ferraro is best suited as the weak partner on a bottom pair, facing weaker opposition, preferably handling the more physical aspects of the job on the boards while supporting a positionally sound but non-physical defenseman who can move the puck.

 

[exchequer]

He blocks shots.

These past two season it has been hindered by him vapor locking when forced to make quick decisions.

I second these observations. Take on a short term bad contract in return and maybe the Sharks can pick up a 1st rounder.

 

[Barrie22]

Cap looking to go to 87.7 million next season.

 

[OrrNumber4]

Cap looking to go to 87.7 million next season.

Of course it does. Well, I guess it'll make moving Couture, Hertl, and Granlund easier.

 

[Friday]

Of course it does. Well, I guess it'll make moving Couture, Hertl, and Granlund easier.

Crazy they haven't said anything about what's up with Couture, not even an ish timeline.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Of course it does. Well, I guess it'll make moving Couture, Hertl, and Granlund easier.

I would expect that Granlund goes first at next year's deadline with retention then whichever of Couture or Hertl in the 2025 offseason when Burns' retention expires. I think the who depends on if only one really wants out. If neither want out, I think they'll hold on to them. If both want out, I would think they'd prioritize moving Couture before Hertl just because it's a shorter term of dead money. I don't think they'll utilize all three retention slots on contracts with term.

 

[Jargon]

Broberg is on the block. I’d absolutely try and get him if he’s priced low. Reclamation project, LD, we can always use more D prospects.

 

[Kevin27NYI]

He blocks shots.

Ferraro is reasonably mobile and willing to accept a lot of physical punishment. He's not particularly good positionally, his stickwork is unremarkable, he is a very poor puckhandler, and has zero offensive talents save for a hard, but inaccurate and not dangerous shot. He doesn't really dole out a lot of hits himself, and his play along the boards is unremarkable. He's not particularly good at preventing clean zone entries, and is emphatically not good at exiting the zone cleanly, whether by carrying the puck himself, passing it out of the zone, or clearing the puck out without icing it (or, for that matter, clearing it at all).

Ferraro is best suited as the weak partner on a bottom pair, facing weaker opposition, preferably handling the more physical aspects of the job on the boards while supporting a positionally sound but non-physical defenseman who can move the puck.

I second these observations. Take on a short term bad contract in return and maybe the Sharks can pick up a 1st rounder.

Got it, I don't think he'd be a fit for the Isles as we have Romanov, Mayfield anchoring parts of the bottom pairs. I'd think we'd need a better puck mover.

 

[LadyStanley]

Connections.

 

[Hodge]

Broberg is on the block. I’d absolutely try and get him if he’s priced low. Reclamation project, LD, we can always use more D prospects.

What would we need to add to Bordeleau in order to get him?