Speculation: 2023-24-25 Sharks Roster Discussion

[one2gamble]

If someone was actually thoughtful with their money, they would not purchase the San Jose Sharks.

that makes no sense. They averaged over 90% attendance for almost forever. Pro sports teams have been growing in value pretty consistently over the last couple decades. I wouldn't say he couldn't make more money doing something else, but his estate is not going to lose on the franchise ownership at all.

 

[Cas]

that makes no sense. They averaged over 90% attendance for almost forever. Pro sports teams have been growing in value pretty consistently over the last couple decades. I wouldn't say he couldn't make more money doing something else, but his estate is not going to lose on the franchise ownership at all.

I'm pretty sure the rate of return for pro sports teams in the USA is better than the S&P 500, plus you get to ego trip among your fellow billionaires.

 

[Hodge]

that makes no sense. They averaged over 90% attendance for almost forever. Pro sports teams have been growing in value pretty consistently over the last couple decades. I wouldn't say he couldn't make more money doing something else, but his estate is not going to lose on the franchise ownership at all.

It was mostly a joke but we’re definitely not one of the more popular pro sports teams in the country. That said the team has appreciated in value by probably 10x since he first bought into the ownership group so I’m sure he’s fine with his investment.

 

[Alaskanice]

No one is trading for Mario to be the top line guy. Aside from many here, he’s thought of as a very good player. Someone who can solidify another teams defense. That is valuable.

 

[Shark in Hockeytown]

It was mostly a joke but we’re definitely not one of the more popular pro sports teams in the country. That said the team has appreciated in value by probably 10x since he first bought into the ownership group so I’m sure he’s fine with his investment.

The money is not in running the team; it is in running the arena. The Sharks just ensure that 45 or so nights are filled every year.

For those who worry about the Sharks moving because their attendance is crashing, why didn't the Panthers move in the last 20 years? Their attendance was consistently worse than the Sharks are now, but they never came close to moving. Why? They got to run the arena, which is not the arena where the Heat play. Losing money on the Panthers was worth it to keep running the arena.

 

[Jargon]

No one is trading for Mario to be the top line guy. Aside from many here, he’s thought of as a very good player. Someone who can solidify another teams defense. That is valuable.

So what is that worth? Are we talking a 1st? Are we talking a good prospect and a second?

 

[tahoesharksfan]

They aren't thoughtful with money and you do not become a billionaire because you are careful with money. You become a billionaire through exploitation.

That's a pretty naive opinion about how people get rich. Go read any of the recent news about Charlie Munger…

 

[DG93]

So what is that worth? Are we talking a 1st? Are we talking a good prospect and a second?

I think a team with an old-school front office could give the Sharks a low first, but a 2nd + B prospect is probably a more reasonable expectation...which would be a very solid return for a guy who still may become a good #4 defenseman but is currently off the rails

 

[LadyStanley]

Benning, Ferraro and Vlasic mentioned

 

[Juxtaposer]

This quote (from Friedman about Ferraro) is doing a lot of work…

“Apparently, his underlying numbers aren’t great, but I’d be more than willing to take my chances.”

 

[tiburon12]

This quote (from Friedman about Ferraro) is doing a lot of work…

“Apparently, his underlying numbers aren’t great, but I’d be more than willing to take my chances.”

Reading and listening to these "thoughts", I feel like Friedman is really stretching a rumor here. His math seems something like: Last year's push for Ferraro + SJ's surplus of depth D + other teams' need for D = Ferraro is getting strong interest now.

Teams might see him as a low-risk add, but idk how you watch the games and the #s and line up for the player.

 

[The Nemesis]

That Friedman quote is great.

"There's evidence Ferraro might not be as good as he's sold to be, but:

"

 

[timorous me]

Reading and listening to these "thoughts", I feel like Friedman is really stretching a rumor here. His math seems something like: Last year's push for Ferraro + SJ's surplus of depth D + other teams' need for D = Ferraro is getting strong interest now.

Teams might see him as a low-risk add, but idk how you watch the games and the #s and line up for the player.

I think Friedman just thinks Ferraro makes a great interview (he does!) and wants him playing in a city where he'll get to talk to him more.

 

[Kcoyote3]

Friedman’s shower thoughts get everyone in a tizzy every week.

 

[one2gamble]

I do think Ferraro is a good pickup for someone that needs an energy/lockeroom bottom pairing guy who can spot time up the line. His development here was stupid but on the right team he would be a great pickup.

I honestly dont have an issue with keeping him either but he needs to be deployed properly.

 

[Cas]

Unfortunately for Ferraro, we can't just not have a first or second pair.

 

[Sendhelplease]

It seems to me that Ferraro is the anti Tomas Tatar, according to the publicly available advanced analytics he is terrible but for whatever reason the 32 NHL teams adore him. Tatar seems the opposite, the analytics models love him but he can barely find any teams interested in signing him.

 

[Mattb124]

That's a pretty naive opinion about how people get rich. Go read any of the recent news about Charlie Munger…

I read that post and assumed Karl Marx had joined HFB.

 

[Mattb124]

That Friedman quote is great.

"There's evidence Ferraro might not be as good as he's sold to be, but:

"

It is only the totality of statistical and visual evidence which suggests otherwise.

 

[The Nemesis]

It seems to me that Ferraro is the anti Tomas Tatar, according to the publicly available advanced analytics he is terrible but for whatever reason the 32 NHL teams adore him. Tatar seems the opposite, the analytics models love him but he can barely find any teams interested in signing him.

I think it's a preconception/bias because of the kind of player they represent. Tatar is a skill player so any underperformance or warts in his game will be viewed as laziness/disinterest/lack of care (he's "only" a 20-ish goal-scorer while consistently having been a low plus or a minus player for most of his career, so he "should" be better either by being a stronger goal scorer or a more committed two-way guy. Allegedly) while Ferraro is a "non-numbers" guy who people can argue has his value show up in ways that stats can't measure, therefore if he looks bad a) it's not really that bad because the numbers can't quantify intangibles and b) he tries hard and works hard and is a hard-working try-hard who works and tries and that must lead to success in the right circumstances because hard work pays off.

Basically the same sort of thing that gets Tatar dinged as not being good enough relative to expectations is used to shield Ferraro from actually not being good enough relative to expectations.

 

[Cas]

I think it's a preconception/bias because of the kind of player they represent. Tatar is a skill player so any underperformance or warts in his game will be viewed as laziness/disinterest/lack of care (he's "only" a 20-ish goal-scorer while consistently having been a low plus or a minus player for most of his career, so he "should" be better either by being a stronger goal scorer or a more committed two-way guy. Allegedly) while Ferraro is a "non-numbers" guy who people can argue has his value show up in ways that stats can't measure, therefore if he looks bad a) it's not really that bad because the numbers can't quantify intangibles and b) he tries hard and works hard and is a hard-working try-hard who works and tries and that must lead to success in the right circumstances because hard work pays off.

Basically the same sort of thing that gets Tatar dinged as not being good enough relative to expectations is used to shield Ferraro from actually not being good enough relative to expectations.

Ferraro benefits from the mythical belief that professional sports are a morality play.

 

[hotcabbagesoup]

Tatar sounds like tartar

Ferraro sounds like Ferrari

Easy decision really

 

[The Nemesis]

Tatar sounds like tartar

Ferraro sounds like Ferrari

Easy decision really

Ferraris are expensive and overrated pieces of equipment that break if you look at them funny and require stupid amounts of money to replace even the simplest of parts.

Meanwhile a touch of tartar sauce absolutely makes a nice piece of beer-battered fish.

I know which one I'm choosing.

 

[Cas]

Ferraris are expensive and overrated pieces of equipment that break if you look at them funny and require stupid amounts of money to replace even the simplest of parts.

Meanwhile a touch of tartar sauce absolutely makes a nice piece of beer-battered fish.

I know which one I'm choosing.

Consider you can sell the Ferrari to a sucker and buy a lot of tartar sauce...

 

[hotcabbagesoup]

Consider you can sell the Ferrari to a sucker and buy a lot of tartar sauce...

That's why we need Friedman to help us sell the Ferraro!