Speculation: 2023-24-25 Sharks Roster Discussion

[Bizz]

Simek played himself out of the NHL for good, it's back to Europe for him once his contract expires.

 

[Barrie22]

Stat to just show just how bad this team really is, we are the 3rd best team at starting with the puck. But by far the worst at getting the puck on net and by far the worst at keeping the puck away from the net.

 

[one2gamble]

I’m for being paid to take Campbell assuming we’re not on his trade list but make Edmonton pay top dollar for it. Ask for two 1sts with protections. If all you get is a 1st and 2nd then they need to retain or take back some salary.

This is where I am on it as well.

 

[Hodge]

Barclay Goodrow is on pace for 4 goals and 12 points and is signed through 2027 @ $3.642M AAV.

What could we get from the Rangers for bringing him home? They have a 2nd this year and a 3rd in 2026, I'd be asking for both of those for starters.

 

[TheBeard]

Barclay Goodrow is on pace for 4 goals and 12 points and is signed through 2027 @ $3.642M AAV.

What could we get from the Rangers for bringing him home? They have a 2nd this year and a 3rd in 2026, I'd be asking for both of those for starters.

High picks both years isn’t worth it. First or nothing.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Barclay Goodrow is on pace for 4 goals and 12 points and is signed through 2027 @ $3.642M AAV.

What could we get from the Rangers for bringing him home? They have a 2nd this year and a 3rd in 2026, I'd be asking for both of those for starters.

There's about 15 mil left in Goodrow's contract. A 2nd and a 3rd might cover about 4 mil of that. I'd only make a move like that if we're able to trade back to New York at the very least the majority of the difference. Taking dumps for picks that are highly unlikely to pan out is excessively wasteful.

 

[mogambomoroo]

https://x.com/MyFryHole/status/1730110799103050089?s=20

I think it could be great to deal some of our depth defencemen to Toronto, since they are in a lot of injury trouble. One of veteran defencemen for some draft picks back could be good business. Also I would like to see Gawanke get a look in NHL.

 

[tiburon12]

https://x.com/MyFryHole/status/1730110799103050089?s=20

I think it could be great to deal some of our depth defencemen to Toronto, since they are in a lot of injury trouble. One of veteran defencemen for some draft picks back could be good business. Also I would like to see Gawanke get a look in NHL.

And suddenly Matt Benning's contract looks good.

Low AAV, bury-able, and cost-controlled so they can address bigger D fish over the off season (like signing or replacing Brodie

 

[Sendhelplease]

And suddenly Matt Benning's contract looks good.

Low AAV, bury-able, and cost-controlled so they can address bigger D fish over the off season (like signing or replacing Brodie

Benning's contract has been and still is a major asset. He is a good NHL defenseman who is making 1.25 million for the next few years. That has value, I'd want at least a 2nd if we traded Benning.

 

[LadyStanley]

 

[tiburon12]

Benning's contract has been and still is a major asset. He is a good NHL defenseman who is making 1.25 million for the next few years. That has value, I'd want at least a 2nd if we traded Benning.

Yea i agree, but recall many on this board were too aghast at the term to see the value

 

[mogambomoroo]

I think it's time to take advantage of this. Trade every veteran that gets a reasonable offer, get picks/prospects and use those picks to either trade for Addison, Thrun kind of assets or keep the picks until the draft day and use them to move up. It's still a heavy rebuild situation, there is some good things going on but we need a lot more prospects. After they've done some trades, call up Gushchin and Gawanke at some point to show what they got. I'm still on the train of bringing up Thrun, I feel like he is one of those players that will thrive better on NHL ice rather than AHL for some reason. I know he hasn't really deserved a call up from stats perspective, but he had a great pre season and good 2 games stat wise. Thrun also has seen NHL ice, and I think he will be hungrier than ever to prove he has to stay up.

 

[one2gamble]

I think it's time to take advantage of this.

yep

 

[Hodge]

There's about 15 mil left in Goodrow's contract. A 2nd and a 3rd might cover about 4 mil of that. I'd only make a move like that if we're able to trade back to New York at the very least the majority of the difference. Taking dumps for picks that are highly unlikely to pan out is excessively wasteful.

We have nothing else to spend that cap space on. Goodrow is someone worth having around during a rebuild even if he's probably overpaid by about $2M/year. If we acquire him in the offseason that's only ~$6M in excess cap space over 3 years. 2nd+3rd seems reasonable for taking that on, maybe another later round pick on top of that. I would love to get someone like Will Cuylle instead but I don't think the Rangers would trade him just to dump cap.

I think it's time to take advantage of this. Trade every veteran that gets a reasonable offer, get picks/prospects and use those picks to either trade for Addison, Thrun kind of assets or keep the picks until the draft day and use them to move up. It's still a heavy rebuild situation, there is some good things going on but we need a lot more prospects. After they've done some trades, call up Gushchin and Gawanke at some point to show what they got. I'm still on the train of bringing up Thrun, I feel like he is one of those players that will thrive better on NHL ice rather than AHL for some reason. I know he hasn't really deserved a call up from stats perspective, but he had a great pre season and good 2 games stat wise. Thrun also has seen NHL ice, and I think he will be hungrier than ever to prove he has to stay up.

Maybe a 4th for each of Duclair, Barabanov, Kahkonen and Hoffman if we're lucky? Can't see anyone else having value.

 

[Gecklund]

Barclay Goodrow is on pace for 4 goals and 12 points and is signed through 2027 @ $3.642M AAV.

What could we get from the Rangers for bringing him home? They have a 2nd this year and a 3rd in 2026, I'd be asking for both of those for starters.

I’d start at Schneider+Goodrow+2nd for Barabanov

 

[coooldude]

Maybe a 4th for each of Duclair, Barabanov, Kahkonen and Hoffman if we're lucky? Can't see anyone else having value.

I'm really no expert on market value for players, but if Addison was worth a 5th, I can't see why Duclair wouldn't be worth more. Yes, poor season so far, but he's got the history, skill, and effort, and a decent contract.

Hoffman's contract and age to me mean I doubt anyone is going to be buying him for anything... maybe a 4th? Probably less if anything at all. Barabanov is definitely an asset that could move but we also just as well might keep him. Kahkonen I don't think is going to be the asset to trade back there -- Blackwood is the guy to sell off, and we'll probably see something sad happen (for us) like we did with Hill.

 

[Juxtaposer]

Draft looks pretty shallow this year, I wouldn’t be surprised if teams are willing to give up 3rd rounders like they’re 4th rounders.

 

[Shark in Hockeytown]

We have nothing else to spend that cap space on. Goodrow is someone worth having around during a rebuild even if he's probably overpaid by about $2M/year. If we acquire him in the offseason that's only ~$6M in excess cap space over 3 years. 2nd+3rd seems reasonable for taking that on, maybe another later round pick on top of that. I would love to get someone like Will Cuylle instead but I don't think the

I'd really like to hear that sales pitch to Plattner: "So, Hasso, here's the deal. You spend $14M and we get a late 2nd and late 3rd round pick."

You are making a common mistake. When a team is trying to compete, the goal is to maximize on ice talent while staying under the cap, so cap space is important. When you are tanking, the object is to one, be at or above the salary floor, and two, minimize salary paid out to limit your losses in the short term. The ideal is contracts where the cap hit is bigger than the salary. Goodrow's salary for the rest of his contract is bigger than the cap hit.

 

[TheBeard]

I think it's time to take advantage of this. Trade every veteran that gets a reasonable offer, get picks/prospects and use those picks to either trade for Addison, Thrun kind of assets or keep the picks until the draft day and use them to move up. It's still a heavy rebuild situation, there is some good things going on but we need a lot more prospects. After they've done some trades, call up Gushchin and Gawanke at some point to show what they got. I'm still on the train of bringing up Thrun, I feel like he is one of those players that will thrive better on NHL ice rather than AHL for some reason. I know he hasn't really deserved a call up from stats perspective, but he had a great pre season and good 2 games stat wise. Thrun also has seen NHL ice, and I think he will be hungrier than ever to prove he has to stay up.

In theory I think you're correct. HOWEVER, from a moralistic standpoint, it's a tough sell to the players and the fans the idea of selling players the moment the team starts looking competent. It wouldn't surprise me to see us reverting back to the team where we would lose 10-1

I'd really like to hear that sales pitch to Plattner: "So, Hasso, here's the deal. You spend $14M and we get a late 2nd and late 3rd round pick."

Just keep the game 7 OT goal on a loop til he comes around.

 

[Hodge]

I'd really like to hear that sales pitch to Plattner: "So, Hasso, here's the deal. You spend $14M and we get a late 2nd and late 3rd round pick."

You are making a common mistake. When a team is trying to compete, the goal is to maximize on ice talent while staying under the cap, so cap space is important. When you are tanking, the object is to one, be at or above the salary floor, and two, minimize salary paid out to limit your losses in the short term. The ideal is contracts where the cap hit is bigger than the salary. Goodrow's salary for the rest of his contract is bigger than the cap hit.

We're going to have a tough time reaching the cap floor next season without taking on contracts like Goodrow's. That's money Hasso needs to spend regardless.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

We have nothing else to spend that cap space on. Goodrow is someone worth having around during a rebuild even if he's probably overpaid by about $2M/year. If we acquire him in the offseason that's only ~$6M in excess cap space over 3 years. 2nd+3rd seems reasonable for taking that on, maybe another later round pick on top of that. I would love to get someone like Will Cuylle instead but I don't think the Rangers would trade him just to dump cap.

There are free agents they can spend it on. It doesn't have to be undervaluing a cap dump trade for long odds picks.

 

[Hodge]

There are free agents they can spend it on. It doesn't have to be undervaluing a cap dump trade for long odds picks.

Sure, but signing those free agents isn't guaranteed to yield a 2nd and 3rd round pick (or whatever the cost to dump Goodrow ends up being).

We have a severe lack of draft picks for a rebuilding team and not many assets on the roster we can trade to get more. It's time to start weaponizing our cap space for that purpose even if that means underbidding a bit.

 

[TheBeard]

Sure, but signing those free agents isn't guaranteed to yield a 2nd and 3rd round pick (or whatever the cost to dump Goodrow ends up being).

We have a severe lack of draft picks for a rebuilding team and not many assets on the roster we can trade to get more. It's time to start weaponizing our cap space for that purpose even if that means underbidding a bit.

The team can do that virtually every year. Buy low on reclamation projects in the hope of flipping at the deadline.

 

[Wedontneedroads]

Hasso is nearly 80 years old and has a net worth of $18 bil. Hasso spending $20 million is like someone who makes $250k/year spending $300. The question is simply does he want to win before he dies/sells the team. If he wants to win, the biggest mistake the Sharks could make is not weaponizing cap space.

By all means get as much as you can for the cap space, but don't walk away from deals that trade cap space for picks.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Sure, but signing those free agents isn't guaranteed to yield a 2nd and 3rd round pick (or whatever the cost to dump Goodrow ends up being).

We have a severe lack of draft picks for a rebuilding team and not many assets on the roster we can trade to get more. It's time to start weaponizing our cap space for that purpose even if that means underbidding a bit.

And if all you can get from New York for taking on Goodrow is that then either don't do it or make them take money back. We're not that desperate for picks.