Speculation: 2023-24-25 Sharks Roster Discussion

[tiburon12]

Hey were first in something

I think we're first (in that sense) in a LOT of categories lol

 

[LadyStanley]

Why would we want to give up one of the good glue guys?

Would have to be pretty sweet return needed.

 

[Cas]

Why would we want to give up one of the good glue guys?

Would have to be pretty sweet return needed.

Duclair is almost certainly gone next summer anyway. I'm hoping for a late 2nd, but worry about falling short.

 

[mogambomoroo]

Why would we want to give up one of the good glue guys?

Would have to be pretty sweet return needed.

If Rangers really want Duclair badly, you could ask for one of their young defencemen in return for Duclair 50% retained. That would be good business for our defence core. Obviously I don't think Rangers are that excited to dot that, but one of Jones/Schneider would be a steal.

EDIT: Schneider is the one we would need, and we probably need to add something with Duclair to make it a deal. But realistically not happening...

 

[Mr Fahrenheit]

If Rangers really want Duclair badly, you could ask for one of their young defencemen in return for Duclair 50% retained. That would be good business for our defence core. Obviously I don't think Rangers are that excited to dot that, but one of Jones/Schneider would be a steal.

EDIT: Schneider is the one we would need, and we probably need to add something with Duclair to make it a deal. But realistically not happening...

More like Duclair for cap dump and pick(s)

 

[coooldude]

More like Duclair for cap dump and pick(s)

I'd be surprised if it happens/ed before the deadline, as I'm not sure GM or Hasso would want to tank any harder... but I guess if the price is right before then.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

More like Duclair for cap dump and pick(s)

The closest thing I can see making sense there is something like Duclair at 50% for Bonino, Pitlick, and their 2nd. Going after Jones doesn't make much sense considering our current stock of LHD's we need to get rid of and those that we need to make room for.

 

[Groo]

If Rangers really want Duclair badly, you could ask for one of their young defencemen in return for Duclair 50% retained. That would be good business for our defence core. Obviously I don't think Rangers are that excited to dot that, but one of Jones/Schneider would be a steal.

EDIT: Schneider is the one we would need, and we probably need to add something with Duclair to make it a deal. But realistically not happening...

I'd love to see Schneider but it seems a bit to pie in the sky.
Cuylle is the player I'd want in return

 

[timorous me]

I'd love to see Schneider but it seems a bit to pie in the sky.
Cuylle is the player I'd want in return

Indeed. Though I think Cuylle would be really hard to get these days, anyway.

I'm at the point of hoping that Musty is our future version of Cuylle. A little smaller but he could still grown an inch or two. And it seems like he wants to play a style fairly similar to Cuylle's, maybe?

 

[Mr Fahrenheit]

I'd be surprised if it happens/ed before the deadline, as I'm not sure GM or Hasso would want to tank any harder... but I guess if the price is right before then.

Wasnt really saying right now, or making a prediction in general, just thinking out loud that it wouldnt be for a prospect but dump and picks instead

 

[mogambomoroo]

I'm actually thinking about scenario where we can get Kaapo Kakko for Duclair 50% and some picks. Kakko hasn't played up to his potential and I'm a very big believer. I think he could be a Meier like player in a way that he needs to be given a lot more playing time than he gets in NYR.
Here he can be our 1RW with 1PP. I see so much potential in him, I would calling Rangers about his price.

 

[Anomie2029]

I'm actually thinking about scenario where we can get Kaapo Kakko for Duclair 50% and some picks. Kakko hasn't played up to his potential and I'm a very big believer. I think he could be a Meier like player in a way that he needs to be given a lot more playing time than he gets in NYR.
Here he can be our 1RW with 1PP. I see so much potential in him, I would calling Rangers about his price.

How have you watched how Quinn handles these players and assumed he would be given that extra time? Especially when Quinn has already shown his leash for Kakko was extremely small in New York.

 

[mogambomoroo]

How have you watched how Quinn handles these players and assumed he would be given that extra time? Especially when Quinn has already shown his leash for Kakko was extremely small in New York.

Oh damn, I forgot about that... that's true. We need Warsofsky to take the job (I'm aware It's probably going to happen when we actually look better.)

 

[Hodge]

How have you watched how Quinn handles these players and assumed he would be given that extra time? Especially when Quinn has already shown his leash for Kakko was extremely small in New York.

It's almost like Quinn was right all along about Kakko? Dude has 2 points in 14 games as a 22 year old, turning 23 later this season. He's lucky Nolan Patrick exists or else he'd be the worst 2nd overall pick since we drafted Andrei Zyuzin in 1996.

 

[Groo]

Indeed. Though I think Cuylle would be really hard to get these days, anyway.

I'm at the point of hoping that Musty is our future version of Cuylle. A little smaller but he could still grown an inch or two. And it seems like he wants to play a style fairly similar to Cuylle's, maybe?

My thoughts are that hopefully between Ek, Musty and Cuylle we'll have lock down the left side for years to come.

 

[Karl Prime]

It's almost like Quinn was right all along about Kakko? Dude has 2 points in 14 games as a 22 year old, turning 23 later this season. He's lucky Nolan Patrick exists or else he'd be the worst 2nd overall pick since we drafted Andrei Zyuzin in 1996.

Patrick may have turned into a decent player if he didn't have his migraine problems. As far as I know Kakko has no such reasoning for not being better.

 

[Sendhelplease]

I think Quinn's time in New York with player development is a mixed bag. Chytil and Buchnevich seemed to improve a lot during his tenure. Laf and Kaako did not develop as hoped under Quinn but I will point out it is not like they have done much better under Gallant or Laviolette...

 

[Hodge]

I think Quinn's time in New York with player development is a mixed bag. Chytil and Buchnevich seemed to improve a lot during his tenure. Laf and Kaako did not develop as hoped under Quinn but I will point out it is not like they have done much better under Gallant or Laviolette...

Don't forget Adam Fox developing into a consensus top 3 defenseman in the league under Quinn's watch. He also received criticism for his handling of Kravtsov and Lundkvist. One of them has already washed out of the league entirely and the other is a mediocre third pairing defenseman.

 

[Jargon]

I actually have been very impressed with Quinn as a development coach. I think the players REALLY respect him. He gave Bordeleau, Guschin, Eklund big roles on the team to see how they’d do. The last game, where he benched Eklund — he talked to him between periods and Eklund got another chance to be better.

And you consider the growth of Karlsson and continued success of Meier, I think Quinn is doing a really great job for the moment.

Is he a good coach for a good team? I have no idea. But our young guys get chances and seem to grow under him, and that’s really what we need right now.

 

[Anomie2029]

It's almost like Quinn was right all along about Kakko? Dude has 2 points in 14 games as a 22 year old, turning 23 later this season. He's lucky Nolan Patrick exists or else he'd be the worst 2nd overall pick since we drafted Andrei Zyuzin in 1996.

Don't get me wrong, this wasn't necessarily a criticism of Quinn in this instance. Was just a response to someone saying we should trade for Kakko and give him minutes - pointing out that is unlikely to happen with Quinn as coach.

 

[LadyStanley]

Healthy scratch. But does he want to come to SJ?

 

[Cas]

Healthy scratch. But does he want to come to SJ?

I don't see the point for us.

Laine is 25 and signed for two more years at $8.7 million. He is young enough to contribute and we can afford that contract with ease. He is also a reasonably good player, if not a great one.

However, what would he cost us? I don't particularly want to trade away a high draft pick or good prospect for someone who will only be a decent short-term upgrade, and cost a lot of money to keep once we are actually ready to compete (assuming he's worth keeping).

 

[one2gamble]

Laine just seems like a weird pickup for where the sharks are

 

[Hodge]

PIT 1st, NJ 2nd, Bystedt and Ferraro for Laine?

 

[coooldude]

PIT 1st, NJ 2nd, Bystedt and Ferraro for Laine?

What!?!

I'm not ready to bet that much capital on one flighty winger with questionable history and an elite shot... This is like undoing the Meier trade but with a better shot but less big body power forward play.