Speculation: 2023-24-25 Sharks Roster Discussion

[Jargon]

I really liked Grier’s press conference yesterday. Really like him generally. Curious to see if the guys get any better after all that.

 

[Mr Fahrenheit]

Been on Tankathon since its more entertaining than a Sharks game, Pittsburgh wins a disturbingly high amount of sims

 

[tiburon12]

i feel like now would be a good time to try and grab Bouchard for scraps. Like Bouchard for Rutta+Bordeleau

Bouchard may have a low defensive IQ (or lack of hustle/awareness), but he's gonna hit like 80pts this year and is their PP1 D. Scraps aren't going to get him, if he's even available

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Bouchard may have a low defensive IQ (or lack of hustle/awareness), but he's gonna hit like 80pts this year and is their PP1 D. Scraps aren't going to get him, if he's even available

I wouldn't want him personally. I don't think he does enough on his own to believe he can be dependable for the cost it would take to get him.

 

[OffSydes]

What is Mike Brown doing these days ?

 

[tiburon12]

I wouldn't want him personally. I don't think he does enough on his own to believe he can be dependable for the cost it would take to get him.

Yea same. He's 1-dimensional, but good at that dimension. Frankly this year it looks like he isnt trying and I definitely don't want that attitude, even with the skill.

 

[gaucholoco3]

Sharks even struggle to exit the zone on the PP.

 

[Alaskanice]

Kevin Weekes reports that Calen Addison, a defenseman is headed to San Jose.

 

[coooldude]

Oh god. This looks like a good move. I was all for beating the Flyers, but let's not get crazy and start team building by adding young pieces that might immediately improve our results...

 

[LadyStanley]

For grins and giggles....

The only player in the Sharks organization that cannot be put on waivers (or is exempt) is Tomas Hertl (has NMC).


Have to wonder if Sharks will buy out Vlasic's last two years of his contract this summer.

 

[gaucholoco3]

Grier doing a masterful job of accumulating a defense entirely comprised with players who are simultaneously not good NHL players but won’t pass through waivers.

 

[timorous me]

For grins and giggles....

The only player in the Sharks organization that cannot be put on waivers (or is exempt) is Tomas Hertl (has NMC).


Have to wonder if Sharks will buy out Vlasic's last two years of his contract this summer.

For me, it's almost hard to see how they don't. Even if all these young defensemen Grier has collected aren't current or future world-beaters, he needs to see what they can offer at the NHL level by next season and Vlasic has really deteriorated to the point where there isn't even an argument (like last year) to be made that he's adding some useful solidity at the back.

And it doesn't seem like he's the classic kind of veteran leader that young guys can rally around and help their growth.

 

[Cas]

For me, it's almost hard to see how they don't. Even if all these young defensemen Grier has collected aren't current or future world-beaters, he needs to see what they can offer at the NHL level by next season and Vlasic has really deteriorated to the point where there isn't even an argument (like last year) to be made that he's adding some useful solidity at the back.

And it doesn't seem like he's the classic kind of veteran leader that young guys can rally around and help their growth.

Vlasic has played over 1200 games in the NHL, all for the Sharks, is their oldest and longest-tenured player, has several championship medals (just not a Cup), and has worn an A in the past, and despite that, they haven't given him a letter in years.

I think that speaks to how his leadership abilities are viewed by management.

 

[Hodge]

32 Thoughts: What will be Edmonton's next move?

In this week's thoughts, Elliotte Friedman writes about where the Oilers go from here, why the Senators will be patient, and the travelling Jagrs.

www.sportsnet.ca

15. Kinda suspect the Sharks called Calgary about Noah Hanifin. Don’t see that as a fit. Another team I wonder about is Arizona. Coyotes have the second-best goal differential in the Central, and a desire to push for the playoffs. As this situation plays out, I am curious to see if an extension becomes part of the conversation. It benefits Hanifin, and benefits the Flames in any return.

I don't think trading assets for him is a great idea but Hanifin would be a perfect addition if he makes it to UFA next summer. 7x7 or so should get it done if Grier and Quinn can leverage their Boston connections.

 

[Patty Ice]

32 Thoughts: What will be Edmonton's next move?

In this week's thoughts, Elliotte Friedman writes about where the Oilers go from here, why the Senators will be patient, and the travelling Jagrs.

www.sportsnet.ca

I don't think trading assets for him is a great idea but Hanifin would be a perfect addition if he makes it to UFA next summer. 7x7 or so should get it done if Grier and Quinn can leverage their Boston connections.

Definitely no to trading assets for him but I'd fully support a UFA signing of him. I've always been a fan.

Don't suspect he'd have much interest here unless paid beaucoup bucks.

 

[Sendhelplease]

32 Thoughts: What will be Edmonton's next move?

In this week's thoughts, Elliotte Friedman writes about where the Oilers go from here, why the Senators will be patient, and the travelling Jagrs.

www.sportsnet.ca

I don't think trading assets for him is a great idea but Hanifin would be a perfect addition if he makes it to UFA next summer. 7x7 or so should get it done if Grier and Quinn can leverage their Boston connections.

I understand the appeal of adding Hanifin but we are finally gaining cap space and I am not sure if 7 million for Hanifin is a good investment. I think on an elite team Hanifin is a 2nd pairing defender rather than top pairing and 7 million seems like a lot for that. I think I'd rather the team leverage the cap space in trades and take on bad 1 year left contracts rather than signing veterans to big contracts in FA.

 

[Hodge]

I understand the appeal of adding Hanifin but we are finally gaining cap space and I am not sure if 7 million for Hanifin is a good investment. I think on an elite team Hanifin is a 2nd pairing defender rather than top pairing and 7 million seems like a lot for that. I think I'd rather the team leverage the cap space in trades and take on bad 1 year left contracts rather than signing veterans to big contracts in FA.

We have a ton of space opening up especially if the plan is to buy Vlasic out. No reason we can't do all of the above. For example, this 22-man roster still has $14 million in cap space after signing Hanifin and taking on Jack Campbell and Barclay Goodrow as cap dumps for picks:

 

[stator]

I really liked Grier’s press conference yesterday. Really like him generally. Curious to see if the guys get any better after all that.

I still like the guy as the GM. Hopefully, he'll stay the course which is shed payroll wisely, draft wisely with quality draft positions, and then pickup an elite #1 center once majority of the bad contracts are shed completely off.

 

[gaucholoco3]

I understand the appeal of adding Hanifin but we are finally gaining cap space and I am not sure if 7 million for Hanifin is a good investment. I think on an elite team Hanifin is a 2nd pairing defender rather than top pairing and 7 million seems like a lot for that. I think I'd rather the team leverage the cap space in trades and take on bad 1 year left contracts rather than signing veterans to big contracts in FA.

The Sharks will have to spend some money this offseason. Otherwise they will not reach the cap floor. I think everyone is so used to the team being in cap hell they don’t realize the Sharks now have one of the cleanest cap sheets going forward.

 

[Alaskanice]

The Sharks will have to spend some money this offseason. Otherwise they will not reach the cap floor. I think everyone is so used to the team being in cap hell they don’t realize the Sharks now have one of the cleanest cap sheets going forward.

This seems to be overlooked. Thank you for saying so.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Hanifin will get seven from places that will get him more take home pay and/or competitive. We'd need to throw 8 at him to get him to think about coming here, imo.

 

[themelkman]

No point in Hanafin to me, just another big contract that will bite us in 3 years.

Just take on dumps to get to the cap floor for a couple more years

 

[one2gamble]

They shouldnt be locking anyone up that's over 22 for any term at this point.

 

[Hodge]

Just take on dumps to get to the cap floor for a couple more years

Taking on dumps alone is not a realistic strategy for reaching the floor. The only cap dump trade of any significance this summer was Cal Petersen to Philly and even that was a three-way deal with many other pieces. I would expect these types of trades to become even less frequent now that the flat cap era is apparently over.

 

[Sendhelplease]

Taking on dumps alone is not a realistic strategy for reaching the floor. The only cap dump trade of any significance this summer was Cal Petersen to Philly and even that was a three-way deal with many other pieces. I would expect these types of trades to become even less frequent now that the flat cap era is apparently over.

I guess my issue with Hanafin is the 7 year term. If we sign guys in free agency who are not 1st liners than we shouldn't give them over 4 years. I just don't want to exit one cap hell only to enter another.