I'm not sure that there is that sort of player available and I'd like to keep Zetterlund as long as that is the case. I don't think I care much about what Zetterlund's extension looks like. I think he can be a solid contributor for a long time at around 4-5 mil per. And at that sort of rate, I think he can be tradeable for a piece we need or if we develop a surplus of wingers during his term.Who is trading us a quality top-4 defenseman in an age range and price point that makes sense for us for Zetterlund?
This is exactly how it's going to go. No team is built 100% through the draft, and as fun as it is to dream about a contending roster of just Sharks' draftees, it's just not going to happen.Yea this team might have to pick up defense as we go with futures like Wilson did ala Rivet, Campbell, Blake, Boyle, Burns, etc
Hopefully this version of the Sharks futures figures it out faster
Zetterlund could be moved in a deal if the other team doesn’t only want futures.I'm not sure that there is that sort of player available and I'd like to keep Zetterlund as long as that is the case. I don't think I care much about what Zetterlund's extension looks like. I think he can be a solid contributor for a long time at around 4-5 mil per. And at that sort of rate, I think he can be tradeable for a piece we need or if we develop a surplus of wingers during his term.
Grier isn’t looking to squeeze everything out of another GM and willing to create mutually beneficial deals. It is smart for situations when both sides don’t “have to” make a deal which has been true of most of the deals. The main trade where Grier had to deal a player was the Meier trade and like you said that is the one where he maximized the value of the trade.Part of the reason I'm uninterested in trading Zetterlund is that Grier has not shown the ability to maximize trade returns so far other than arguably the Meier trade. I've been fine with that so far since we're in the tear down phase, but eventually he'll have to hit some home run trade valuations in order to take this team to the next level.
I don't think there's a chance in hell that the Isles would even consider that deal.Zetterlund could be moved in a deal if the other team doesn’t only want futures.
Dobson + Lee (Cap Dump)
Zetterlund + Ferraro + Musty + top 5 protected 1st
This would give the Islanders a top 4 replacement for Dobson and a younger cheaper upgrade on Lee in addition to the futures.
Grier isn’t looking to squeeze everything out of another GM and willing to create mutually beneficial deals. It is smart for situations when both sides don’t “have to” make a deal which has been true of most of the deals. The main trade where Grier had to deal a player was the Meier trade and like you said that is the one where he maximized the value of the trade.
This doesn't come close to what a potential Dobson trade would costDobson + Lee (Cap Dump)
Zetterlund + Ferraro + Musty + top 5 protected 1st
I agree. I'm not sure that that's the Islanders move but if they wanted Zetterlund in a deal for Dobson, I'm certainly open to it.Zetterlund could be moved in a deal if the other team doesn’t only want futures.
Dobson + Lee (Cap Dump)
Zetterlund + Ferraro + Musty + top 5 protected 1st
This would give the Islanders a top 4 replacement for Dobson and a younger cheaper upgrade on Lee in addition to the futures.
I don't think there's a chance in hell that the Isles would even consider that deal.
Right, which is why I don't mind. I think it's smart to not squeeze other GMs in deals that aren't crucial to your team's future (ie Ceci, Burns, etc.) especially when you're a new GM trying to build good will with your colleagues.
All I'm saying is that because Grier has never been the "aggressor" in any trade that he's made so far, we don't know how capable of "squeezing" maximum value out of a deal he is. Zetterlund is someone you only trade if you're squeezing every bit of value out of him you can.
Karlsson trade was highway robbery. That bum made $11.5 million to score 56 points last year. Can you imagine if Grier had waited and tried to trade him this summer? He's also injured again (shocker) and missed all of Penguins training camp.I think maybe the Walman trade was the only one that felt like he pulled a con. Meier trade was really solid too. If Jack Thompson ends up an NHLer, that was actually a pretty good trade too, I think.
I wanted him a few years ago, but at this point he seems washedEthan Bear on waivers, 27 year old RHD, $2 million cap hit last year of his contract UFA after. Should we be interested?
Obviously I have no proof of this, but everything written about the Walman trade made it seem like Yzerman basically called up Grier specifically and asked if he wanted to take Walman and a 2nd off his hands. Don't think it was Grier taking a hard negotiating position.I think maybe the Walman trade was the only one that felt like he pulled a con. Meier trade was really solid too. If Jack Thompson ends up an NHLer, that was actually a pretty good trade too, I think.
I think the trade obviously ended up being a huge win because of how low their 1st ended up (it cost 42nd overall to move up but that's a drop in the bucket to get to 11th overall, basically the best that pick could have been) and because Granlund (and Rutta to an extent) have actually been good contributors to the Sharks as opposed to the cap dumps they were seen as at the time.Karlsson trade was highway robbery. That bum made $11.5 million to score 56 points last year. Can you imagine if Grier had waited and tried to trade him this summer? He's also injured again (shocker) and missed all of Penguins training camp.
Do we lose first priority on the waiver wire if we make a claim on Bear? I have no idea how waivers work.Ethan Bear on waivers, 27 year old RHD, $2 million cap hit last year of his contract UFA after. Should we be interested?
No it’s tied to reverse standings. It doesn’t update to this season until Nov 1st.Do we lose first priority on the waiver wire if we make a claim on Bear? I have no idea how waivers work.
I thought there was some rule where if you claim a player off waivers successfully then you move to the back of the line. Maybe I'm crazy or the rule has changed? I dunno, waivers are confusing as hell.No it’s tied to reverse standings. It doesn’t update to this season until Nov 1st.
I think we still would keep first priority for waivers even if we claim him. Starting November 1 waiver priority order will change based on the current season standings I believe.Do we lose first priority on the waiver wire if we make a claim on Bear? I have no idea how waivers work.
I wouldn't hate grabbing him if not. But he doesn't move the needle for me much either way.
I believe that was originally a video game or fantasy sports rule that has sort of bled into these sorts of discussions but the rules for the NHL is it stays with the reverse standings after November 1 and remains reverse standings of the previous season until then. We'll be 1st in line for anyone put on waivers for 26 days for sure.I thought there was some rule where if you claim a player off waivers successfully then you move to the back of the line. Maybe I'm crazy or the rule has changed? I dunno, waivers are confusing as hell.
Ethan Bear on waivers, 27 year old RHD, $2 million cap hit last year of his contract UFA after. Should we be interested?
Came in here to ask this same thing.Ethan Bear on waivers, 27 year old RHD, $2 million cap hit last year of his contract UFA after. Should we be interested?
When they're hands are forced, GMs always take the best package available. Where you can criticize them on is their judgement of the assets....The Penguins pick could have been 32nd overall and the Karlsson trade would have been a positive, his albatross of a contract was the single biggest road block in our rebuild, that it turned out to be #14 and that we could flip it plus a pick from the Meier trade into Dickinson makes it an incredible trade
Also, if Jack Thompson becomes an NHL regular it retroactively makes the Brent Burns trade a slam dunk, Grier is killing it on asset flips, he's squeezing value out of nothing with remarkable consistency
Came in here to ask this same thing.
Seems like there’s not a ton of interest on here. Has he fallen that far or did I have an inflated view of him to begin with? I would have had him as our 4th best D if we picked him up. (Not to say he’s a legit top 4 guy, but on this team…)
The answer to this is yes for other teams, no for us in my opinion. Naturally a LHD but can play both sides. Is good enough defensively but doesn’t offer really much offensively at all. I just don’t think he’s any better than what we have and isn’t really worth blocking the young guys.Is Josh Mahura worth a claim?