Speculation: 2023-24-25 Sharks Roster Discussion

[TealManV]

Interesting tidbit. According to Bruce Garrioch, the Sens are listening to offers on the #7 pick.

Also according to Garrioch, the Sens have publicly declared that they’re unhappy with their goaltending situation.

I’ve laid out this idea before, but if you really want a crack at Buium, would you trade #14 for #7 and Korpisalo (4 x $4m)? Maybe Grier would need to add another mid pick or prospect.

And no, the Sens don’t need Ferraro (please don’t read into this as a slight on Mario) because they already have Sanderson, Chabot and Chychrun on the left side.

 

[weastern bias]

Interesting tidbit. According to Bruce Garrioch, the Sens are listening to offers on the #7 pick.

Also according to Garrioch, the Sens have publicly declared that they’re unhappy with their goaltending situation.

I’ve laid out this idea before, but if you really want a crack at Buium, would you trade #14 for #7 and Korpisalo (4 x $4m)? Maybe Grier would need to add another mid pick or prospect.

And no, the Sens don’t need Ferraro (please don’t read into this as a slight on Mario) because they already have Sanderson, Chabot and Chychrun on the left side.

If you didn't have to add any value to that? Like the cost of the trade up is the Korpisalo cap dump?

#7 + Korpisalo

For

#14

Straight up?

You do that in a heartbeat, I doubt Ottawa ever offers that, it's such a steal

 

[Herschel]

He's a one timer specialist who is slow, doesn't use his size, has no defensive acumen, has below average puck handling skills, isn’t a playmaker, and hasn't scored 30 goals in 5 years

I would describe him as a bad hockey player who will continue to be fed ice time because he was a #2 pick and he has an elite shot, but I wouldn't want him on my team at all

Yeah, he is a bad hockey player who scores at basically a 30 goal pace and a point per game.
I was a bit surprised to see that he isn't exactly a PP merchant either.

 

[TealManV]

If you didn't have to add any value to that? Like the cost of the trade up is the Korpisalo cap dump?

#7 + Korpisalo

For

#14

Straight up?

You do that in a heartbeat, I doubt Ottawa ever offers that, it's such a steal

I guess.

Personally, I believe it’s only a steal if you don’t value cap space and roster flexibility. Seeing as this is still a cap league, clearing $4m for 4 years ($12m total) while opening up a roster spot at a very critical position for a team that has pressure to take the next step has more value for me.

 

[Juxtaposer]

It kinda seems like Mackcel could do well with a winger that consistently turns dimes into goals.

Mack would do fine with any good player, he’s not someone who needs a particular archetype. He’s adaptable and has no weaknesses.

It’s Laine that’s the problem. He’s never had chemistry with anyone he’s played with, which is a huge red flag to me. He doesn’t seem like a team player.

Interesting tidbit. According to Bruce Garrioch, the Sens are listening to offers on the #7 pick.

Also according to Garrioch, the Sens have publicly declared that they’re unhappy with their goaltending situation.

I’ve laid out this idea before, but if you really want a crack at Buium, would you trade #14 for #7 and Korpisalo (4 x $4m)? Maybe Grier would need to add another mid pick or prospect.

And no, the Sens don’t need Ferraro (please don’t read into this as a slight on Mario) because they already have Sanderson, Chabot and Chychrun on the left side.

I really don’t know if I’d do that, to be honest. Korpisalo is really bad and that contract is a long time to be tied up with a bad goaltender (basically Jones all over again).

 

[karltonian]

Mack would do fine with any good player, he’s not someone who needs a particular archetype. He’s adaptable and has no weaknesses.

It’s Laine that’s the problem. He’s never had chemistry with anyone he’s played with, which is a huge red flag to me. He doesn’t seem like a team player.

Eh we're not exactly building a short term contender here. Get his numbers up and move him if we can. Or not and get a higher pick.

 

[Juxtaposer]

Eh we're not exactly building a short term contender here. Get his numbers up and move him if we can. Or not and get a higher pick.

We’re not exactly a team that’s a great situation to pump up a player’s value, though. It’s not like all Laine needs is more ice time.

Besides, I’m sure someone will pay actual value for him, and it shouldn’t be us. Never mind that we’re likely on Laine’s 10 team NTC.

 

[STL Shark]

If you didn't have to add any value to that? Like the cost of the trade up is the Korpisalo cap dump?

#7 + Korpisalo

For

#14

Straight up?

You do that in a heartbeat, I doubt Ottawa ever offers that, it's such a steal

As a pure cap dump, Korpisalo's contract is worth 13th overall, so in reality Ottawa would need to add here to make that move happen.

Korpisalo's contract is worth -28.14 while 7th overall is worth 42.44 for net value of 14.3. 14th overall is worth 26.46. So even doing that deal straight up means we're getting fleeced if you go by what Puckpedia quantifies the value of cap space to be.

 

[weastern bias]

I really don’t know if I’d do that, to be honest. Korpisalo is really bad and that contract is a long time to be tied up with a bad goaltender (basically Jones all over again).

If he can't perform I'd just send him down and treat him like dead cap, I'd gladly take a $2Mish penalty for 4 years if it means we can grab one of the top D prospects in the draft instead of just barely missing out on one

 

[Juxtaposer]

If he can't perform I'd just send him down and treat him like dead cap, I'd gladly take a $2Mish penalty for 4 years if it means we can grab one of the top D prospects in the draft instead of just barely missing out on one

Probably all moot anyway, since he has a 10 team NTC.

 

[weastern bias]

As a pure cap dump, Korpisalo's contract is worth 13th overall, so in reality Ottawa would need to add here to make that move happen.

Korpisalo's contract is worth -28.14 while 7th overall is worth 42.44 for net value of 14.3. 14th overall is worth 26.46. So even doing that deal straight up means we're getting fleeced if you go by what Puckpedia quantifies the value of cap space to be.

I don't know how much NHL teams tread pick evaluation like gospel in the way NFL teams seem to, especially in the lottery, but you won't hear me complaining to get more value out of it, lol

I just think taking the Korpisalo deal in order to aquire 7th overall would be an incredible move if it was available, if we can keep #14 then even better

 

[TealManV]

I really don’t know if I’d do that, to be honest. Korpisalo is really bad and that contract is a long time to be tied up with a bad goaltender (basically Jones all over again).

Yeah, it’s tough. Korpi is obviously not a fit and has really struggled in Ottawa.

Although I’m not a big fan of this path, his buyout number isn’t terrible outside of it being 8(!) years long.

Adding a player like Buium might be worth it though…

Both Blackwood and Vanecek currently have one year left on their deals. Maybe they just roll with three goalies this season to see how it shakes out.

If Ottawa is open to something like that, I’d prefer that track as opposed to packaging other picks and or prospects to move up the board.

 

[weastern bias]

Probably all moot anyway, since he has a 10 team NTC.

Yeah, it's not likely, I'm just saying if it's a possibility I'd be all over that deal

 

[STL Shark]

I don't know how much NHL teams tread pick evaluation like gospel in the way NFL teams seem to, especially in the lottery, but you won't hear me complaining to get more value out of it, lol

I just think taking the Korpisalo deal in order to aquire 7th overall would be an incredible move if it was available, if we can keep #14 then even better

If I were to craft a deal that I'd like, I would do 14th overall + Ferraro for 7th overall + Korpisalo + Chychrun (assuming you can extend him).

 

[ChompChomp]

Interesting tidbit. According to Bruce Garrioch, the Sens are listening to offers on the #7 pick.

Also according to Garrioch, the Sens have publicly declared that they’re unhappy with their goaltending situation.

I’ve laid out this idea before, but if you really want a crack at Buium, would you trade #14 for #7 and Korpisalo (4 x $4m)? Maybe Grier would need to add another mid pick or prospect.

And no, the Sens don’t need Ferraro (please don’t read into this as a slight on Mario) because they already have Sanderson, Chabot and Chychrun on the left side.

I'd take that and run!

 

[Hodge]

If you didn't have to add any value to that? Like the cost of the trade up is the Korpisalo cap dump?

#7 + Korpisalo

For

#14

Straight up?

You do that in a heartbeat, I doubt Ottawa ever offers that, it's such a steal

How is that a steal? Korpisalo is an AHL goalie signed for 4x4. The cost for Ottawa to dump him would be at least a 1st round pick if not two.

Trading the equivalent of two 1sts or even a 1st+2nd just to move up from #14 to #7 would be horrendous value for us.

 

[weastern bias]

How is that a steal? Korpisalo is an AHL goalie signed for 4x4. The cost for Ottawa to dump him would be at least a 1st round pick if not two.

Trading the equivalent of two 1sts or even a 1st+2nd just to move up from #14 to #7 would be horrendous value for us.

Then do Korpisalo + #7 for a future 7th round pick

Teams have a different evaluation of the nebulous idea of "a 1st round pick" vs the literal #7 pick that we know is at #7, so I don't think Ottawa would actually entertain this, especially considering they'll be forced to forfeit a 1st round pick in the next 3 years as a result of the Dadonov fallout

I'm just saying that if you can move into the top 10 in the draft without losing a single asset you do it, $4M won't mean anything to us in the next 4 years anyway, it will simply take the place of our expiring dead cap and will be managed by our abundance of cap space, I'd rather take a horrible cap dump back to move up 7 spots than attach a single additional draft pick to #14 to do so

 

[Hodge]

Then do Korpisalo + #7 for a future 7th round pick

Teams have a different evaluation of the nebulous idea of "a 1st round pick" vs the literal #7 pick that we know is at #7, so I don't think Ottawa would actually entertain this, especially considering they'll be forced to forfeit a 1st round pick in the next 3 years as a result of the Dadonov fallout

I'm just saying that if you can move into the top 10 in the draft without losing a single asset you do it, $4M won't mean anything to us in the next 4 years anyway, it will simply take the place of our expiring dead cap and will be managed by our abundance of cap space, I'd rather take a horrible cap dump back to move up 7 spots than attach a single additional draft pick to #14 to do so

Dumping Korpisalo is not worth a 7th overall pick either. Based on the Cal Petersen trade it's probably somewhere in the ballpark of two late 1sts. We would be much better off drafting at #14 with two extra 1sts to play with than giving up all that value just to move up a few spots.

 

[pappaf2]

How about korpisalo & #7 for #33

 

[landshark]

Does Columbus also not have wifi?

It's a requirement to be sister city to Winnepeg...

 

[Hodge]

How about korpisalo & #7 for #33

I think that's closer but still bad for us. Maybe Korpisalo+7 for 42.

Korpisalo's contract is about as toxic as it gets. It's not like an overpaid forward or defenseman because he's literally unplayable.

 

[STL Shark]

I think that's closer but still bad for us. Maybe Korpisalo+7 for 42.

Korpisalo's contract is about as toxic as it gets. It's not like an overpaid forward or defenseman because he's literally unplayable.

It would have to be 33 and 42 to equal value. Everyone bookmark this and use it as opposed to making up compensation amounts in your head based on feels and vibes. There is a model and methodology that is much more accurate and should be the baseline for discussions on these topics.

PuckPedia Perri Cap Relief Calculator | Puckpedia

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PuckPedia Perri Pick Value Calculator | Puckpedia

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[Jargon]

It's a requirement to be sister city to Winnepeg...

I didn't know what you guys were talking about so I googled "Laine wifi" and I honestly feel drunk after reading this: Winnipeg Is Good | By Patrik Laine

I was 95% sure it was a satire but I... don't think it is. I know he was basically child, but it's a wild ride.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

I think that's closer but still bad for us. Maybe Korpisalo+7 for 42.

Korpisalo's contract is about as toxic as it gets. It's not like an overpaid forward or defenseman because he's literally unplayable.

Then buy him out but take the deal. You take it even if it was 33 they were asking for.

 

[Hodge]

Then buy him out but take the deal. You take it even if it was 33 they were asking for.

It depends on who's available at 7. If Silayev or Dickinson falls then it probably makes sense to do it.

8 year buyout is not a joke. We'd be paying Korpisalo over a million a year until Celebrini is 26.