Often enough to get a gauge of what their worth typically is. A 1st for a defenseman with term in the last offseason happened at least twice and both times included significant cap dumps as part of the deal as the Karlsson and Provorov deals showed. I have no issues keeping Ferraro if all that is out there is 2nd round pick level returns. Ferraro is more useful to the rebuild than a 2nd but a pick like 23 in this draft is different. The odds are better for a more well-rounded player to assist our team down the road when it's more prepared to compete. I don't think getting more than that is likely unless we're doing more as part of the deal. We also could stand to try and make room on the left side for Mukhamadullin and see about getting a player better suited to eat top pairing minutes for us. I question that a deal like that is actually out there for us but if it is, there are a lot of good reasons to pull the trigger.
Speculation: 2023-24-25 Sharks Roster Discussion
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I'll agree, which is why I said a late first is the minimum I'd take. I look at the Hronek trade last year as an accurate comparison. He brought back a mid-first (conditional) and a second, and is making 4.4 per.
At some point this team is actually going to have to address not having any viable D-men that are NHL-worthy.
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Looking at the teams listed in the article, Nashville stands out as a good landing spot for Ferraro as a McDonagh replacement. I wonder if there’s any appetite for a Fabbro swap. Or futures plus Alex Carrier’s rights.
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I have no idea what he’s actually valued at by NHL teams but to me that feels pretty bad for us.
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More like Ferraro+33 to NJ for 10th overall...
Jargon
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I was thinking something similar. That would mean a huge haul for us…
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Then we probably could get Buium or Parekh without having to give up the Vegas 1st. And still draft a good forward at 14.
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Hey, you could be right and the rest of us wrong. I genuinely have no idea how he’s actually valued around the league, I only can speak to how I would feel if that were the return.I guess I’m really undervaluing Ferraro.
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Leaving the draft with Celebrini, Parekh (I doubt Buium falls that far but…) and like MBN/Solberg etc., would be absolutely insane. I doubt it’ll happen but…
I honestly for the life of me don't get the Ferraro hate. It's like every decent thing he does is ignored or only done to cover up for his own mistake, while every iffy thing he does is magnified as indicative of who he is. He doesn't miss games, busts his ass every night, stands up for teammates and straight up seems to be the only one that gives a crap night in and night out even on a last place team. He wants to be here, and is on a team friendly contract at 25 yet so many would rather eat hot coals than want him on the team and at a certain point it just feels personal. Is he perfect? No. Is he the kind of d-man every team covets? Absolutely, and if we end up getting a first for him (if), his naysayers here will probably say that team got fleeced instead of maybe accepting that their hate-boner for him may be a tad unfounded.I guess I’m really undervaluing Ferraro.
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I watch Mario, as you state, bust his ass every shift and love that he’s wearing a teal sweater.
The amount of blame he gets for trying to do too much while excusing all five other d-men in the lineup for doing nothing is mind-blowing to me.
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It’s sad. If he does get traded, he’s going to be appreciated. He’s a lifer to me.
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I appreciate your post and opinion but I’m not sure what it has to do with my previous post.
Mario seems like a solid dude. Personally, I was excited when he was drafted. Same for when he made the Sharks.
I think you can appreciate Ferraro's hustle, leadership, willingness to sacrifice his body, effort, and decent skating even while also acknowledging that his game overall is pretty terrible in terms of hockey IQ, positioning, skill, ability to lead a breakout, and puck awareness. As I've mentioned before, he's Kris Russell. A decent bottom pairing guy who is loved by his teammates, but if you get a 1st round pick+ back for him in the middle of a rebuild, you take it.
He's not meant to be a top pairing D-men which is how we're deploying him. It's like putting a top checking third line center on the top line and complaining he doesn't score 50.
Jargon
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I really like him and think he’s a great guy to have on the team - I agree he’s likely a middle-pairing defenseman. But if we get a 1st rounder for him + a prospect, I think it’s worth it because you can get guys like Ferraro as FAs.
I guess the question also is.. how high is the pick?
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He has zero offensive acumen and doesn't move the puck well, so we have to focus on what he does defensively.
Unfortunately, he's just not very good at that either. He's often out of position, is prone to breakdowns when pressured and gives up a lot of rush chances, and doesn't exactly protect the crease well. He's not very good at keeping the puck out of the zone and he's notoriously bad at puck retrieval and turning the puck around to go the other way or even just move it to a place where it can be taken out of the zone. He is reasonably mobile and can get to the puck, but once he's there he doesn't usually do anything effective with it. He's brave and willing to take a hit or block a shot - that's great, but really of limited value.
To be fair, he's hopelessly overmatched against quality competition - he belongs on a bottom pair, taking on depth lines and getting some PK time, and preferably matched up with a partner who is a little better than he is. Of course, the fact that Ferraro doesn't have any business defending against top lines is an indictment of him and his contract (he should be making less than half what he currently is, especially since he signed an RFA contract), and finding a partner who can move the puck more effectively than Ferraro and serve as a useful outlet for puck retrievals in the corners, as well as help protect the crease more effectively than Ferraro does, but who is also not worth starting in your top four, is rather challenging - basically, Ferraro has to be paired up with a top four defenseman on a bottom pair, or else he's either too vulnerable or getting blown up by players he can't defend effectively.
He's a hard worker. So is almost everyone at this level. You need to actually do something useful with your ice time, and Ferraro usually doesn't.
He is also better than most (all?) of our other defensemen. That's not saying much, most of our other defensemen belong in rec leagues. He's still worthy of criticism because he's not very good and overpaid as a result (he should be making what Benning makes). It's not hate - it's recognition of the limitations of the player and that he shouldn't be put on a pedestal and should be moved if possible for something that may actually be of positive value.
