Speculation: 2023-24-25 Sharks Roster Discussion

[landshark]

I just don’t think Okhotiuk is good. I guess I wouldn’t hate signing him with the idea that it’s possible he could go on waivers some time during the year, and big young defensemen do tend to have value even if they’re not very good (see Megna).

We can still tank while having one legit top-4 defenseman on the roster. I know, it’s tough to believe, but we’d still be bottom-2 in the league if Dylan DeMelo was our best defenseman instead of Jan Rutta.

I get it. He's not good, but still a bit of a lotto ticket? 2nd round pick and D-men take longer... If someone picks him up on waivers then so be it. But still an asset to the org overall even if not a significant asset.

Not to push, but any idea about this bit?

What do the Sharks do about their not so great track record in developing the most out of their young D prospects in general?

The elephant in the room ^^

Player dev in general needs to be upgraded to try to maximize the value of the draft selections at the very least, I would think. I feel like the Sharks have perennially been bad at Dmen dev in particular. Sharks need to get the most out of their pipeline, especially right now. Who should replace McCarthy and CO?

Demelo is a bit of an example... I just don't think he was highly thought of by the Sharks at the time he was shipped to Ottawa and Ottawa put him to work increasing his TOI. Getting more out of him. Pick 179, not like he's some world beater out of the gate, but he turned into a decent 4-6 kinda Dman with his post-Sharks team. I guess Demelo was a bit of a late bloomer, but shouldn't that be expected of 6th Round pick guys? They'll take a minute to round out into something, like @The Nemesis's rocks? Gotta keep grinding them down and polishing them into something shiny with value. How do the Sharks do this?

If the Sharks are going to tank and rebuild, I feel like there needs to be a concerted effort within the org to make their whole developmental program more efficient and just plain useful. But how's the FO upgrade that?

 

[Gecklund]

Looking at the free agent defencemen, I believe it would be good for Sharks to overpay someone to make the blueline little bit better for the rookies, so Sharks don't get totally destroyed by opposing teams.
I'll list some defencemen that could sign for enough overpayment.
I have the ages there to see the pattern that I would like for a free agent defencemen.
28-29 years old veteran with solid experience is something that could work age wise, but still not too old to fall of a cliff. I think these are players that could go for a good payday and a lot of playing time rather than take another cut for playoff team to play lesser role.
Matt Roy could be an exception, since he's in LA.

UFA RD: Matt Roy (29), Brett Pesce (29), Sean Walker (29)
RFA RD: Dante Fabbro (26) (overpay offer sheet or trade)
UFA LD: Gustav Forsling (28), Erik Gustafsson (32)

Section that probably won't happen, but I'm gonna list anyway:
Wild card: RD Tony DeAngelo (28)
Ultimate wild card : RD Brandon Montour (30), LD Noah Hanifin (27)

Most likely of these I could see Dante Fabbro, Sean Walker, Gustav Forsling and Erik Gustafsson happening for enough overpayment and bigger role.
I'm not sure what route to go, but we need more solid defencemen for the younger players sake and for Sharks to be more watchable team next year.

Overpay one of them and go from there, if it's a RD that's better.
I would to hear opinions on these, is it too early to overpay a veteran defencemen?

I don’t think I can overstate how much I’d love to add a defensive RHD top 4 D to our team.

Shakir-new D
Thrun-Benning
Vlasic-Emberson

Have Okhotiuk rotate in or run Burroughs as the 7D. Trade rutta and Ferraro. See if we can get anyone to take a chance on Addison or Okhotiuk. Get rid of this backlog of bad defense.

 

[landshark]

Wonder how these next 5 days are gonna go.
Very quiet few weeks before the deadline across the league. Maybe it makes for an interesting deadline day itself. Hoping we can take on some bad contracts for picks. Got to try and weaponize that 35 mil we are projected to have next year.

When Grier is quiet like this, it usually means he is cooking up.

He's got the pasta on the cutter prepping for Duke's pre-game lunch since they play early today...

 

[Pete Taylor]

I just have a feeling that it's gonna be Duke for a third and that's it. He's playing a lot better, so hopefully he gets a shot on a contender. More than a third would obviously be better.

Id like to hope we trade more than Duke. Started to feel like we are almost locked in at 2nd to last. I think Kaakonen goes too.

We are obviously not trying to fight for a playoff spot, but looking at the Blackhawks roster, they are egregiously tanking. Atleast Greir had the semblance to put somewhat of a roster together. it actually is suprising how we are even close to them point wise.

 

[coooldude]

Id like to hope we trade more than Duke. Started to feel like we are almost locked in at 2nd to last. I think Kaakonen goes too.

We are obviously not trying to fight for a playoff spot, but looking at the Blackhawks roster, they are egregiously tanking. Atleast Greir had the semblance to put somewhat of a roster together. it actually is suprising how we are even close to them point wise.

I personally agree. You can imagine a year with Couture and Hertl where we were still bad but nowhere near this bad. Maybe at the Ducks level so still in the running for top 5.

You're right, Kahk may also be traded and I hope so (and that we re sign him, actually like the kid).

 

[Barrie22]

Maybe just maybe Zadina could trick a team into picking him up at the deadline.

 

[Gecklund]

Maybe just maybe Zadina could trick a team into picking him up at the deadline.

With reports that Torts doesn’t like Frost, I wonder if there’s something around Zadina+one of our defensemen for Frost.

 

[Jargon]

I think what we manage to get at the TDL is directly correlated to where some of the bigger fish go/if they even end up being traded. I really do think Grier is either waiting or being told “let’s see how things go and we’ll talk in a few days.” I think if Duclair is the only winger left and there’s a team that’s really desperate and missed out on all their other targets, maybe he gets a 2nd or a decent prospect.

Generally, I think we need to get a little lucky to bring in anything than a bunch of lower round picks at the deadline unless Grier either really pokers his way or lucks into something better.

 

[Hodge]

Maybe just maybe Zadina could trick a team into picking him up at the deadline.

Why not re-sign him? He's still young and seems to be developing into a solid bottom six winger.

 

[Barrie22]

Why not re-sign him? He's still young and seems to be developing into a solid bottom six winger.

Still think he is useless in my opinion, but some other team could potentially see him being close to breaking his career high as improvement.

 

[LadyStanley]

 

[TheBeard]

Why not re-sign him? He's still young and seems to be developing into a solid bottom six winger.

I agree at this point. He's better than anything we would get from trading him unless we get super lucky on a later round pick.

The paradox right there. How can he stick around until the team gets better if getting rid of him helps the team get better?

 

[Jargon]

I still like Zadina and really respect his decision to take a prove it contract with us. He’s looked really good recently and he’s still insanely young — I think he can either develop into a great 3rd liner that can win you games periodically and move up the lineup in case of injury, or we get very lucky and he breaks through/figures out his confidence issues and becomes something better.

He chose to be here and he’s obviously working and improving, so I’d sign him on a cheap 2-3 year contract.

 

[TheBeard]

I still like Zadina and really respect his decision to take a prove it contract with us. He’s looked really good recently and he’s still insanely young — I think he can either develop into a great 3rd liner that can win you games periodically and move up the lineup in case of injury, or we get very lucky and he breaks through/figures out his confidence issues and becomes something better.

He chose to be here and he’s obviously working and improving, so I’d sign him on a cheap 2-3 year contract.

It's crazy he just turned 24

 

[Jargon]

It's crazy he just turned 24

Yeah, he’s a kid and he has real flashes of talent. I think he can build confidence here and become a piece of the future. I also, just to reiterate, thinks it speaks volumes that he gave up millions because he believed in himself and wanted to prove it. I think that personality type lends itself to a kid who will eventually figure it out.

 

[gaucholoco3]

I don’t think I can overstate how much I’d love to add a defensive RHD top 4 D to our team.

Shakir-new D
Thrun-Benning
Vlasic-Emberson

Have Okhotiuk rotate in or run Burroughs as the 7D. Trade rutta and Ferraro. See if we can get anyone to take a chance on Addison or Okhotiuk. Get rid of this backlog of bad defense.

Pecse???

 

[Bowie22]

Grier:

all jokes aside, we can't trade our next captain

 

[one2gamble]

I don't understand why khak is still here....

 

[Jargon]

I don't understand why khak is still here....

He’s everyone’s second choice.

 

[mogambomoroo]

Yeah, he’s a kid and he has real flashes of talent. I think he can build confidence here and become a piece of the future. I also, just to reiterate, thinks it speaks volumes that he gave up millions because he believed in himself and wanted to prove it. I think that personality type lends itself to a kid who will eventually figure it out.

100%
It's so great that in this environment a player chooses to play for the Sharks and even leaves money on the table for a better team. I'm 100% for keeping him, I believe he can be that solid 3rd line /2nd line injury replacement player that will play with his whole heart.

 

[LadyStanley]

 

[Internazionale]

Can't see us keeping Duclair and Granlund. Could we get a prospect plus a pick for each?

 

[timorous me]

Teams are always more obsessed with expiring contracts. With the cap situation, even if it's increasing, it's all about flexibility. I don't think there's anything more appealing to front offices in any sport with a cap or a tax.

 

[STL Shark]

My thoughts currently on Kuznetsov is to pass. I don’t think odds are good you get even a 2nd for him at 3.9 but I would trade for him if the Caps are willing to add a 1st or a 2nd and a decent prospect.

Even then, no reason for Washington to do that when they can buy him out for $3.8M next year and $2M the year after. If they're attaching picks, they are not retaining. Most likely to just buyout or terminate the contract so that Kuz can go back to Russia and sign a nice deal there playing for Vlad.

 

[STL Shark]

Why Scott Morrow and Jackson Blake are young players who could be traded

The Hurricanes have a unique problem: They don’t have an AHL team currently. A lot of their signed prospects have been scattered this season between the ECHL, various AHL teams and Europe. So if you’re a strong collegiate prospect who has the option to stay in school versus entering the unknown...

theathletic.com

Goal #1 should be trying to get Scott Morrow out of Carolina if the reports that he could be dealt are true. Gives us another top 4 D prospect (and one that is 6'2 and shoots right handed) to build around.