Speculation: 2023-24-25 Sharks Roster Discussion

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Yeah no thanks to Kuznetsov, even if he's legitimately looking for a fresh start. Too many red flags and he's quite expensive. Only pro I see is that if he somehow turns his game around and gets traded for something worthwhile next TDL.
 
Yeah no thanks to Kuznetsov, even if he's legitimately looking for a fresh start. Too many red flags and he's quite expensive. Only pro I see is that if he somehow turns his game around and gets traded for something worthwhile next TDL.
That was my thinking. I don't see Logan coming back and to be honest I'm not sure if Hertl is coming back this season either. If we trade Granlund at the deadline we basically have Eklund, Carpenter and Sturm down the middle.
 
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If Washington were so desperate to get Kuz out of their org that they’d attach a 1st rounder to him (see Toronto/Marleau as comparable value), then I’d take him and send him to the Cuda—we shouldn’t have any meaningful prospects in the AHL next year (Smith: NCAA or NHL, Musty: OHL or NHL, Mukh: NHL, 2024 1st wherever they were this year) that Kuz could influence too much. Maybe Gushchin, but I’d like to see him in the NHL next year if he’s going to turn into anything anyway.

But I bet they’ll just ride out his contract.
 
They are in Y1 of the rebuild, so no, at least not Sharks-wise. I'm actually surprised I've seen so many people optimistically turn it around in here from the offseason lol. You should all save it for 2-3 more years down the line when these guys are in the league for a year or two.
I, too, prefer to be negative during the "they're all prospects" phase. That way, you can more easily stay negative (and consistent!) during the "they're not transitioning well to the NHL" phase, before staying negative in the "like the Ducks and Sabres, our rebuild is clearly failing" phase.

From there, it's an easy and logically consistent step to question whether we're really contenders or whether our players "just don't have what it takes", before finally reaching the stage where we see them lose in the playoffs and call them losers and start demanding a rebuild all over again.

The logic you're using basically sets up a situation where the only way to be positive is to win the cup. Which I love! Love good logic.
 
I don't know about you guys, but I would love to see Kuzy in teal. I could see a Granlund type of a turn around and maybe a good chemistry with let's say Russian brother Barabanov? Don't know about the off ice stuff though.
 
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Kuzy's already gone through a decline that most players don't experience until their late 30's. It's not like he was ever injured or anything. I highly doubt a comeback is in the cards for a player like him.

He's likely gonna terminate his contract then head over to the KHL for the remainder of his playing days.
 
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I, too, prefer to be negative during the "they're all prospects" phase. That way, you can more easily stay negative (and consistent!) during the "they're not transitioning well to the NHL" phase, before staying negative in the "like the Ducks and Sabres, our rebuild is clearly failing" phase.

From there, it's an easy and logically consistent step to question whether we're really contenders or whether our players "just don't have what it takes", before finally reaching the stage where we see them lose in the playoffs and call them losers and start demanding a rebuild all over again.

The logic you're using basically sets up a situation where the only way to be positive is to win the cup. Which I love! Love good logic.
I know this is mostly in jest (very true however), but I don't think most people here understand how bad it would be to become a Buffalo or Anaheim. Like imagine the previous four years but with younger, more hopeful players, but year after year you hope and hope just to watch shit on ice again. At least most of us expected the result the last four years and this current year.

All I'm saying is it's crucial they start trending towards a NJD/NYR rebuild and not a ANA/BUF.
 
Looking at the free agent defencemen, I believe it would be good for Sharks to overpay someone to make the blueline little bit better for the rookies, so Sharks don't get totally destroyed by opposing teams.
I'll list some defencemen that could sign for enough overpayment.
I have the ages there to see the pattern that I would like for a free agent defencemen.
28-29 years old veteran with solid experience is something that could work age wise, but still not too old to fall of a cliff. I think these are players that could go for a good payday and a lot of playing time rather than take another cut for playoff team to play lesser role.
Matt Roy could be an exception, since he's in LA.

UFA RD: Matt Roy (29), Brett Pesce (29), Sean Walker (29)
RFA RD: Dante Fabbro (26) (overpay offer sheet or trade)
UFA LD: Gustav Forsling (28), Erik Gustafsson (32)

Section that probably won't happen, but I'm gonna list anyway:
Wild card: RD Tony DeAngelo (28)
Ultimate wild card : RD Brandon Montour (30), LD Noah Hanifin (27)

Most likely of these I could see Dante Fabbro, Sean Walker, Gustav Forsling and Erik Gustafsson happening for enough overpayment and bigger role.
I'm not sure what route to go, but we need more solid defencemen for the younger players sake and for Sharks to be more watchable team next year.

Overpay one of them and go from there, if it's a RD that's better.
I would to hear opinions on these, is it too early to overpay a veteran defencemen?
 
I know this is mostly in jest (very true however), but I don't think most people here understand how bad it would be to become a Buffalo or Anaheim. Like imagine the previous four years but with younger, more hopeful players, but year after year you hope and hope just to watch shit on ice again. At least most of us expected the result the last four years and this current year.

All I'm saying is it's crucial they start trending towards a NJD/NYR rebuild and not a ANA/BUF.
This is a reasonable take. My opinion is that this off-season/draft and next (2025) is what we need to truly evaluate whether we're on a good track or not. If Grier makes egregious mistakes, we could know as soon as this summer. You can lose fast but you can't win fast.

I'd also argue that Anaheim is probably on the verge of turning up. They'll pick top 5 this year and they are already stacked with young guys who need a few more years to figure it out. Yes, they may stagnate like buffalo and others, but I'd put money on them being a wagon in 5 years.
 
Looking at the free agent defencemen, I believe it would be good for Sharks to overpay someone to make the blueline little bit better for the rookies, so Sharks don't get totally destroyed by opposing teams.
I'll list some defencemen that could sign for enough overpayment.
I have the ages there to see the pattern that I would like for a free agent defencemen.
28-29 years old veteran with solid experience is something that could work age wise, but still not too old to fall of a cliff. I think these are players that could go for a good payday and a lot of playing time rather than take another cut for playoff team to play lesser role.
Matt Roy could be an exception, since he's in LA.

UFA RD: Matt Roy (29), Brett Pesce (29), Sean Walker (29)
RFA RD: Dante Fabbro (26) (overpay offer sheet or trade)
UFA LD: Gustav Forsling (28), Erik Gustafsson (32)

Section that probably won't happen, but I'm gonna list anyway:
Wild card: RD Tony DeAngelo (28)
Ultimate wild card : RD Brandon Montour (30), LD Noah Hanifin (27)

Most likely of these I could see Dante Fabbro, Sean Walker, Gustav Forsling and Erik Gustafsson happening for enough overpayment and bigger role.
I'm not sure what route to go, but we need more solid defencemen for the younger players sake and for Sharks to be more watchable team next year.

Overpay one of them and go from there, if it's a RD that's better.
I would to hear opinions on these, is it too early to overpay a veteran defencemen?
I would add Alex Carrier also. Would be more of a sneaky good pick up.
 
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knock it off with the bickering/flaming/trolling, please.

If you think someone is violating the rules, report them. Don't whinge about it publicly.

If a poster is annoying you and you don't want to see it, use the ignore feature. Don't post about using it publicly though.

Don't post crap just to get a rise out of people. Stay on topic and stay civil.

If anyone else wants to make an issue of things they'll be kicked from the thread and maybe more. Consider yourselves warned.
 
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I would add Alex Carrier also. Would be more of a sneaky good pick up.
Forgot about him, he would be a good add also. I just want someone to take that PP1 until we develop our own future PP1 defencemen. Someone that could help Smith/Eklund/Musty/whoever get decent powerplay.
 
Looking at the free agent defencemen, I believe it would be good for Sharks to overpay someone to make the blueline little bit better for the rookies, so Sharks don't get totally destroyed by opposing teams.
I'll list some defencemen that could sign for enough overpayment.
I have the ages there to see the pattern that I would like for a free agent defencemen.
28-29 years old veteran with solid experience is something that could work age wise, but still not too old to fall of a cliff. I think these are players that could go for a good payday and a lot of playing time rather than take another cut for playoff team to play lesser role.
Matt Roy could be an exception, since he's in LA.

UFA RD: Matt Roy (29), Brett Pesce (29), Sean Walker (29)
RFA RD: Dante Fabbro (26) (overpay offer sheet or trade)
UFA LD: Gustav Forsling (28), Erik Gustafsson (32)

Section that probably won't happen, but I'm gonna list anyway:
Wild card: RD Tony DeAngelo (28)
Ultimate wild card : RD Brandon Montour (30), LD Noah Hanifin (27)

Most likely of these I could see Dante Fabbro, Sean Walker, Gustav Forsling and Erik Gustafsson happening for enough overpayment and bigger role.
I'm not sure what route to go, but we need more solid defencemen for the younger players sake and for Sharks to be more watchable team next year.

Overpay one of them and go from there, if it's a RD that's better.
I would to hear opinions on these, is it too early to overpay a veteran defencemen?
Next offseason is too early to add defensemen imo. They will still have Ferraro, Vlasic, Benning, Burroughs, and Rutta all signed + I suspect they will bring back at least 2 of Thrun, Emberson, and Okhotiuk (assuming Addison is gone after this year and Knyzhov stays in the AHL). That's 7 guys already with Muk hopefully in line for minutes. If two of Ferraro, Vlasic, and Rutta get traded or bought out (Vlasic), then I can see them adding someone. Otherwise, I presume they will roll with the group they have.
 
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My thoughts currently on Kuznetsov is to pass. I don’t think odds are good you get even a 2nd for him at 3.9 but I would trade for him if the Caps are willing to add a 1st or a 2nd and a decent prospect.
 
Next offseason is too early to add defensemen imo. They will still have Ferraro, Vlasic, Benning, Burroughs, and Rutta all signed + I suspect they will bring back at least 2 of Thrun, Emberson, and Okhotiuk (assuming Addison is gone after this year and Knyzhov stays in the AHL). That's 7 guys already with Muk hopefully in line for minutes. If two of Ferraro, Vlasic, and Rutta get traded or bought out (Vlasic), then I can see them adding someone. Otherwise, I presume they will roll with the group they have.
Trade Ferraro, bench Vlasic, and waive Burroughs, re-sign Thrun and Emberson, let Okhotiuk and Addison walk. Sign or trade for a middle pairing RHD.

Mukh, Emberson, Rutta, Thrun, Benning, and a trade or FA top-4 D acquisition would be an improvement over the nonsense I’ve seen this year IMO.
 
Trade Ferraro, bench Vlasic, and waive Burroughs, re-sign Thrun and Emberson, let Okhotiuk and Addison walk. Sign or trade for a middle pairing RHD.

Mukh, Emberson, Rutta, Thrun, Benning, and a trade or FA top-4 D acquisition would be an improvement over the nonsense I’ve seen this year IMO.

No Okhotiuk love at all? Take him to arb if need be, or put him with the Cuda on a decent two-way? I get he's not exactly killing it out there, but 23 years old and RFA. I'm not sure anything is there with Addison, but I feel like there's a motor and some ok parts with Okhotiuk he could become servicable as a 6/7 guy of which the Sharks already have many, but it's not like there's young D men prospects knocking down the door aside from the ones you listed as the D lineup going forward. What do the Sharks do about their not so great track record in developing the most out of their young D prospects in general?

If a prospect is drafted or develops into someone where Okhotiuk is in the way send Okhotiuk to the Cuda.... Is he just completely not worth the contract slot?
 
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My thoughts currently on Kuznetsov is to pass. I don’t think odds are good you get even a 2nd for him at 3.9 but I would trade for him if the Caps are willing to add a 1st or a 2nd and a decent prospect.
Listening to Friedman tonight, he's also just out of NHL/NHLPA assistance program. Hopefully doing better, but may be a bit fragile.
 
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Trade Ferraro, bench Vlasic, and waive Burroughs, re-sign Thrun and Emberson, let Okhotiuk and Addison walk. Sign or trade for a middle pairing RHD.

Mukh, Emberson, Rutta, Thrun, Benning, and a trade or FA top-4 D acquisition would be an improvement over the nonsense I’ve seen this year IMO.

I’d want to keep Okhotiuk just to see if he can keep developing as the team gets a touch better — he’s had some games earlier on that I really liked.

I’d keep him as a 7D/send him to the AHL in case someone goes down. But otherwise, I like this plan. I think we have to sign a top 4 guy to help Muhk, etc along and just help the defense not be embarrassing.
 
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Listening to Friedman tonight, he's also just out of NHL/NHLPA assistance program. Hopefully doing better, but may be a bit fragile.
I’m willing to give him a chance post-program but the Sharks need to be compensated to do it for the Caps. If the Caps retain 25% and fork over a first, I’d take him but claiming off waivers would be doing a favor for bad odds.
 
Trade Ferraro, bench Vlasic, and waive Burroughs, re-sign Thrun and Emberson, let Okhotiuk and Addison walk. Sign or trade for a middle pairing RHD.

Mukh, Emberson, Rutta, Thrun, Benning, and a trade or FA top-4 D acquisition would be an improvement over the nonsense I’ve seen this year IMO.
I agree with benching Vlasic as the 7th defenseman, trading Ferraro, re-signing Thrun and Emberson, waiving Burroughs if they need a spot, and letting Addison go. Curious as to why you would let Okhotiuk walk. Also, what's the point of doing all this and adding a defenseman if we're tanking next year?
 
No Okhotiuk love at all? Take him to arb if need be, or put him with the Cuda on a decent two-way? I get he's not exactly killing it out there, but 23 years old and RFA. I'm not sure anything is there with Addison, but I feel like there's a motor and some ok parts with Okhotiuk he could become servicable as a 6/7 guy of which the Sharks already have many, but it's not like there's young D men prospects knocking down the door aside from the ones you listed as the D lineup going forward. What do the Sharks do about their not so great track record in developing the most out of their young D prospects in general?

If a prospect is drafted or develops into someone where Okhotiuk is in the way send Okhotiuk to the Cuda.... Is he just completely not worth the contract slot?
I’d want to keep Okhotiuk just to see if he can keep developing as the team gets a touch better — he’s had some games earlier on that I really liked.

I’d keep him as a 7D/send him to the AHL in case someone goes down. But otherwise, I like this plan. I think we have to sign a top 4 guy to help Muhk, etc along and just help the defense not be embarrassing.
I agree with benching Vlasic as the 7th defenseman, trading Ferraro, re-signing Thrun and Emberson, waiving Burroughs if they need a spot, and letting Addison go. Curious as to why you would let Okhotiuk walk. Also, what's the point of doing all this and adding a defenseman if we're tanking next year?
I just don’t think Okhotiuk is good. I guess I wouldn’t hate signing him with the idea that it’s possible he could go on waivers some time during the year, and big young defensemen do tend to have value even if they’re not very good (see Megna).

We can still tank while having one legit top-4 defenseman on the roster. I know, it’s tough to believe, but we’d still be bottom-2 in the league if Dylan DeMelo was our best defenseman instead of Jan Rutta.
 
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I mostly question whether Stutzle can ever be the guy. Tkachuk and Sanderson are legit.
Matthew is legit. Brady is an $8+ million a year less than point per game left winger. He has ‘grit’, but Hertl already makes 8million to be less than a point per game player {70pt pace}. We don’t need another one of those.
 
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Wonder how these next 5 days are gonna go.
Very quiet few weeks before the deadline across the league. Maybe it makes for an interesting deadline day itself. Hoping we can take on some bad contracts for picks. Got to try and weaponize that 35 mil we are projected to have next year.

When Grier is quiet like this, it usually means he is cooking up.
 
Wonder how these next 5 days are gonna go.
Very quiet few weeks before the deadline across the league. Maybe it makes for an interesting deadline day itself. Hoping we can take on some bad contracts for picks. Got to try and weaponize that 35 mil we are projected to have next year.

When Grier is quiet like this, it usually means he is cooking up.
I just have a feeling that it's gonna be Duke for a third and that's it. He's playing a lot better, so hopefully he gets a shot on a contender. More than a third would obviously be better.
 
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