Rumor: 2023-2024 Trade Rumors and Free Agency: Offseason Edition
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I'm not the biggest fan of Provorov, but he's clearly a solid top 4 guy that has been asked to do too much. In a middle pairing role behind Werenski in a system like Babcock's, he's going to be pretty effective. If Werenski and Boqvist are healthy and Jiricek plays halfway decent as a rookie... Columbus has a pretty solid defensive core that is pretty young and cost controlled. For what they gave up, this is a steal IMO. If Provorov won't re-sign... they end up with a similar trade as the Gavrikov trade (IE late 1st +).
Philly got a ton of pieces, but what they do with the pieces is up in the air. Perfectly fine for a rebuilding team.
LA cleared their worst contract for a pending UFA who will net a 2nd rounder at the deadline, a solid #4/5D prospect, 2nd rounder, and $5m ($2m cap hit for 2 years). They effectively cleared just under $6m in cap next season and $3m the following season for pieces and cash. Great deal for them.
I think this is fine for all teams. LA probably makes out the best given the flexibility this gives them.
Philly got a ton of pieces, but what they do with the pieces is up in the air. Perfectly fine for a rebuilding team.
LA cleared their worst contract for a pending UFA who will net a 2nd rounder at the deadline, a solid #4/5D prospect, 2nd rounder, and $5m ($2m cap hit for 2 years). They effectively cleared just under $6m in cap next season and $3m the following season for pieces and cash. Great deal for them.
I think this is fine for all teams. LA probably makes out the best given the flexibility this gives them.
Pretty crazy trade, feels like one of the more complex deals the NHL has seen in a while. To have a cup contending team trade a cap dump while at the same time retaining salary on a player they aren't even keeping and sending elsewhere is pretty wild.
Tbh I think when you really look at it, all 3 teams did fairly well here. Columbus gets a legit Top 4 guy and with the retention on his contract it become really solid value for Provorov, they give up a 1st + 2nd essentially for him. LA gets to dump some pretty sizable cap space both this year and next year, and do so without owning a 1st round pick to get it done, thus requiring some pretty solid creativity to do so.
Philly gets a nice haul of futures, if they plan to go full rebuild then this is a really great start for them and if they move Hart and use Petersen as the starting goalie as well there's a pretty good chance they're bottom 5 next year if not even lower(Though Torts will have something to say about that still which also makes his hiring last summer look even more awkward today). They could still do a nice bit of solid work between now and the draft if they wanted too as well. If they retain on Hayes(I wonder if this is partly why they didn't just retain on Provorov themselves here) all the way down to $4M or lower, he likely gets a 1st++ sort of return as well, and then if they are moving Hart you gotta believe that's gonna be for a nice package of futures as well.
Tbh I think when you really look at it, all 3 teams did fairly well here. Columbus gets a legit Top 4 guy and with the retention on his contract it become really solid value for Provorov, they give up a 1st + 2nd essentially for him. LA gets to dump some pretty sizable cap space both this year and next year, and do so without owning a 1st round pick to get it done, thus requiring some pretty solid creativity to do so.
Philly gets a nice haul of futures, if they plan to go full rebuild then this is a really great start for them and if they move Hart and use Petersen as the starting goalie as well there's a pretty good chance they're bottom 5 next year if not even lower(Though Torts will have something to say about that still which also makes his hiring last summer look even more awkward today). They could still do a nice bit of solid work between now and the draft if they wanted too as well. If they retain on Hayes(I wonder if this is partly why they didn't just retain on Provorov themselves here) all the way down to $4M or lower, he likely gets a 1st++ sort of return as well, and then if they are moving Hart you gotta believe that's gonna be for a nice package of futures as well.
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Certainly far from the best defense, but I’d imagine that Provorov will do a ton better running the 2nd pair than being the all situation 1D. And obviously Jiricek is the wild card, he’s got plenty upside and could do a lot on the backend over the next couple seasons.
Health is a big question... if health holds up, Werenski is a top 15-20 guy. Boqvist and Provorov are top 4. Jiricek has high potential (he might end up the best out of all of them). You also need to add in Bean and Gudbranson to the group. It isn't an elite group, but a pretty solid group that are all young. Plus if any of them slip, they have Mateychuk, Svozil, Ceulemans, and Knazko all coming through the pipeline. Provorov gives them a vet to solidify the pairings. If he re-signs, then they'll have him for a while for just a 1st and a 2nd. If he doesn't, he'll solidify until the kids are ready and they'll get a 1st in 2025.
Columbus is gonna be stacked with young talent after this draft (seriously look at their u23 guys)... them getting a mid 20s defensemen to help out while the growing pains happen makes sense. A late 20s pick would add to it... but given just how many young guys they have coming, it doesn't move the needle.
I wonder what(if anything) this does to Sammy G's potential value.
Provorov gets retained down to $4.725M for 2 years and essentially returns a mid-late 1st + likely early-mid 2024 or 2025 2nd.
I would venture to guess G at his $5M cap hit for 4 more years would be worth fairly similar to what Provorov just got. Maybe G is worth slightly more because of his contract, or maybe slightly less. But I would think in terms of pure futures a 1st + 2nd is probably the rough value of G after this Provorov trade today.
Provorov gets retained down to $4.725M for 2 years and essentially returns a mid-late 1st + likely early-mid 2024 or 2025 2nd.
I would venture to guess G at his $5M cap hit for 4 more years would be worth fairly similar to what Provorov just got. Maybe G is worth slightly more because of his contract, or maybe slightly less. But I would think in terms of pure futures a 1st + 2nd is probably the rough value of G after this Provorov trade today.
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Ahh I knew I was forgetting people when putting out the lineup. If they add Hayes and Carlson this off-season they‘d be looking to be a pretty solid team. Not playoffs yet or anything but good steps forwards.
G is probably worth somewhere around that area if you were just basing off his play and contract... but the issue with Girard isn't his value in an vacuum, it is the limited number of teams that want a 5'9" soft defensemen that doesn't have elite offense. The amount of teams that will pay a lot for that type of player are few and far between. If we are generous and go by the NHL stats (saying G is 5'10") only 12 defensemen that height or under played 20 or more games in the NHL last season (it was 16 the prior season). Going by NHL stats again... G's weight is the 2nd lowest in the league behind Spurgeon.
The last guy of similar stature (though much thicker) was Ellis in the Myers + Patrick trade. Sami Vatanen probably also fits... he got swapped for Henrique (middle 6 player at the time with 1.75 years left). NHL teams have a pretty hard bias against guys like G and actually paying assets for them. If they provide elite offense, then things get forgiven quickly... but G is a 35 point guy, maybe 40 though he's never reached it.
Plus another guy like G has been on and is on the trade market in Krug. Grzelcyk is also available and you're not tied in long-term. Just an odd spot in the market (that a asset strapped team should be jumping on to get some quality).
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The Athletic had an article on buyout candidates and there were some interesting names. Would there be any interest in Yamamoto or Boeser? I can't imagine either of them actually being bought out, but still...
Both of them are wingers and that's absolutely NOT what the Avs need this offseason. I certainly have no interest in a not-big-not-fast-not-elite winger in Yamamoto. Boeser, yes, but I don't see that happening.
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Weird. The first thing I heard Keith Jones talk about was the importance of building his D core. Now the first move they make is to trade Provorov and even retain salary for picks.
Wonder if that makes them more or less likely to be in the market for one of our defenseman?
Not much on their roster I'm clamoring for though, unless they can do a package to get a retained Hayes AND Tippett or something though.
Wonder if that makes them more or less likely to be in the market for one of our defenseman?
Not much on their roster I'm clamoring for though, unless they can do a package to get a retained Hayes AND Tippett or something though.
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I don't want either of those guys. I thought Hayes could have been a decent solution at the deadline if they failed to acquire a better player but they shouldn't set their sights on a guy like that when players like Scheifele, Dubois and maybe Lindholm are potentially available.
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Hahaha called it... Dorion is a moron :
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Friedman: Senators exploring trade market for DeBrincat
Friedman: - Senators exploring trade market for DeBrincat
Colombus can afford his new contract Trade and sign Trade Debrincat for LAK 1st round pick and Kent Johnson fair enough for both ? I don't really care what we gave up. I just want a replacement. Whether that's Keller, Farabee, Bratt, etc... I want someone coming back in some way. How about...
Rumor: - 2022-2023 Trade Rumors and Free Agency: Let’s Run it Back!
Hawks gonna deal Dach too, and then spend in FA to try and be good right away. Kadri would be a sneaky good fit there, as would Kuemper and Manson. Chicago Avalanche vs. Colorado Avalanche on opening night. How exciting!
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I don‘t really see the issue there? They gave up a high 1st to get him, but he’s an RFA so they won’t really lose that much value on a return for him I don’t think. They‘ll easily get a 1st+ back for him. I think it was a worthwhile risk to see if they could get high end winger to fit in with their C core.Hahaha called it... Dorion is a moron :
Friedman: Senators exploring trade market for DeBrincat
Friedman: - Senators exploring trade market for DeBrincat
Colombus can afford his new contract Trade and sign Trade Debrincat for LAK 1st round pick and Kent Johnson fair enough for both ? I don't really care what we gave up. I just want a replacement. Whether that's Keller, Farabee, Bratt, etc... I want someone coming back in some way. How about...
Rumor: - 2022-2023 Trade Rumors and Free Agency: Let’s Run it Back!
Hawks gonna deal Dach too, and then spend in FA to try and be good right away. Kadri would be a sneaky good fit there, as would Kuemper and Manson. Chicago Avalanche vs. Colorado Avalanche on opening night. How exciting!
Part of the impetus to get DeBrincat in the first place was to make the team more appealing to potential buyers, at least that's what I read or heard (it might have been 32 Thoughts, I don't remember). I imagine they wanted to sign him long-term and he's balking at that, so I don't blame them for moving on. They took a shot and it didn't work out. Oh well.
Dorion has made some inarguably horrid moves as a GM but that's not one I'm going to hold against him.
Dorion has made some inarguably horrid moves as a GM but that's not one I'm going to hold against him.
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I guess we'll see how it plays out but I don't believe Dorion will get back what he thinks he will.
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Dorion hoped that he'd buy in and join the rest of the core long term. DeBrincat is clearly not interested to sign there. No big deal IMO.
7OA is a high pick but that was a weak ass draft. That's like getting the 7OA in the 2012 draft. Meh.
I'd not want to be the team that re-up DeBrincat.
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I mean you’re trading for a prime aged 35-35 guy as an RFA. Dorion probably isn’t getting a top 10 pick but I don’t see why he wouldn’t get back a 1st+ or a could even be a piece to bring in a goaltender for the team.
Very near what we should do going after PLD. If you have to facilitate a sign and trade we'd get some value back. I like our chances though.
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Probably but I doubt it approaches Top-10. They traded #7 + #39 last year for DeBrincat and a 3rd in 2024. Don't think they are getting that but I'll happily be wrong...
Well, DeBrincat would carry considerably less value this summer anyway. Of course they wont get the exact same value for him.
Last year when he was traded he was signed for 1 more year on a team friendly contract and then was still an RFA after that. Now this summer he's an RFA looking to cash in, and one that can also just sign his QO if he wishes and go straight to UFA next summer.
They wont get a Top 10 1st for sure, especially not in a deep draft like this years... But they probably will get a mid 1st + another solid asset or two. For example plenty of Wings fans have offered up #17+ on the main boards.
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