He absolutely did.
Rumor: 2023-2024 Trade Rumors and Free Agency: Offseason Edition
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John Mandalorian
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Is Toews regressing or overused? He was logging a ton of minutes at one point, especially during the injury death march. He's the one who's been predominantly healthy the last 2-3 years and available. Judge him when injuries don't necessitate heavy usage.
The Abusement Park
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I mean Nuke taking 49mil after having 1 season of top 6 play(and one good post season)is as market value as it gets.
He was offered 7x$7M last summer, and ended up taking the same total money for a year longer with the Avs. That's a discount, not much of one. But absolutely a discount. That's typically how UFAs give the team they play for a discount. By signing for 8 years for the exact same amount they'd have gotten for 7 years as a UFA, makes the cap hit smaller, in Nukes case $875k smaller.
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Still market value in the end. 6.125 for someone with 1 top 6 level season is a lot, especially for the term it came with. 7x7 is a lot for someone with one top 6 level season. It seemed that he turned into a legit top 6(even top line really) guy this year despite the injuries, but that's as market a contract as you're gonna get from someone in Nukes situation.
It's not though. We know for a fact that a team offered him 7x7M. You can argue whether you think he's worth that money sure, but the fact a team offered him that money and he signed for a smaller cap hit means he took less.
Edit: It's like if next summer Toews signs with the Avs for 8x$7.5M when we know of a UFA offer from another team that was prepared to offer him 7x$8.5M. That is giving the Avs a discount even if $7.5M feels like a lot. It's less then what he'd get on the open market, thus it is a discount.
Bednar definitely over used Makar and Toews this season. You won't see me arguing that.
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Spreading the money over 8 years instead of 7, when the last year under contract is in the late 30's, isn't a "discount", it's AAV shenanigans.
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He didn't take less though. He got the exact same money as that offer? The only option the Avs had was to match or add the extra year to lower the cap hit which obviously is a little beneficial for the Avs but is the exact same either way for Nuke.
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If Matthews re-signs for 2-3 years in Toronto that could change things for superstars going forward.
Instead of signing for 8 years out of his ELC, he signed 5 years at very high AAV and then the remaining 3 years at an even higher AAV.
At the end of the 8 years he'll make more money than he could possibly have obtained with 8 years from the start.
Instead of signing for 8 years out of his ELC, he signed 5 years at very high AAV and then the remaining 3 years at an even higher AAV.
At the end of the 8 years he'll make more money than he could possibly have obtained with 8 years from the start.
I'm liking Lomberg for Florida these playoffs. I wonder if he could be a cheap 4th liner for us next year.
Cousin Eddie
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You're most likely right, but he is a UFA. If he does decide to test the open market maybe we could toss him and extra 100k or so.
Cousin Eddie
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My bad. Thought he had another year left. He’s going to get himself a nice contract somewhere.
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Yeah, don't think this is accurate. Nichushkin never made it to UFA status, so no team offered him anything. Except the Avalanche. It's all speculation what offers he would have received.
This isn't true. The negotiation window opens up for other teams before the UFA window opens up. Other teams absolutely made offers.
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Nope. Other teams can only contact UFAs once the window opens. It was one of the things that the players association negotiated as part of the most recent CBA, because they felt it would help drive up salaries.
You won't find any article that says Nichushkin received any offers of $7M AAV, I promise you.
Again. That just isn't true at all. Even if the rules are that technically they aren't supposed to, they absolutely do contact players and agents before the UFA period starts. Surely you don't actually believe all the UFAs that sign contracts with new teams within minutes after the free agency window opens up, negotiated those contracts in a matter of minutes...
As for the $7M, you can choose to believe it or not. It was well known and talked about on this board by posters who have sources around the league that Nichushkin received that offer from another team before he signed with us.
Yup, I don’t see it as a discount, not sure how it can be argued that way either. If a player was coming off their ELC, Sure. But when we’re talking about retirement contracts, it doesn’t make a difference to the player.
Nobody says a player is taking a discount because they didn’t get their entire salary paid out as a signing bonus or front-loaded, even if they earn less money this way.
henchman21
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Nuke had a 7 x 7 deal coming his way and his agent knew it would be coming without ‘knowing.’ Pretty commonplace… especially with guys like Gandler running the show. On it ending up being a discount or not… it wasn’t much of one by any standard, but it doesn’t really matter either.
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Whole debate started several pages ago when someone said that Toews could accept a discount to stay with the Avs like some others did before him.
You didn't miss anything.
henchman21
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If Toews does… we’re talking less than a million aav. Not a 3+ below situation like happened in Boston for years… or when you could circumvent the cap with 12 year contracts. Toews knows this is his retirement contract. You get the biggest (total) bag possible on that one… especially as a guy who hasn’t gotten a big deal yet.
Saying that… even if you assume he does around the 7m area (+/- .5), it doesn’t dramatically change the cap math.
Yeah, I dont think it was much of a discount by any means... But IMO it was a small one.
If he could get $49M over 7 years and chose to stay with the Avs for the same $49M over 8 years instead, its a small discount. But it doesn't really matter.
Landy is the one who took a sizable discount IMO. If he had went to the market, a PPG+ winger with the two-way ability and leadership qualities he brings... He would have absolutely gotten $9M from someone on a max term deal.
I also think Mackinnon would get more on the open market. Yeah he's the most paid player in the league so its kind of hard to argue he took a discount... But he had the numbers to get $14M for sure and quite frankly a Top 3 Center in the league hitting free agency would probably bring some teams awfully close to a max contract.
Give it another ~3 years for Matthews, Leon, and McDavid to sign there next deals and Mack will look ~$2-3M underpaid yet again.
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Mack's 12.6M X 8 is the same as 14.4M X 7 on the open market.
"Discount"
"Discount"
dahrougem2
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I don't know what you are arguing here. I don't think a single person has said the guy who is going to be the highest paid player in the league next season took a discount.
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