Rumor: 2023-2024 Trade Rumors and Free Agency: Offseason Edition

[0BGYN Kenobi]

Any chance Arber Xhekaj and/or Joshua Roy could be pried out of Montreal? If Girard goes the other way, that's a quick way to free up a few million in capspace. I honestly think Joshua Roy has the chops to be the next O'Reilly

 

[redacted]

Well, no I agree that Pinto and Tomasino are most likely better and realistic picks there, but overall the pick hit reasonably well is all I'm saying. Whereas it will go down as a bust because "we can't draft outside the top 10".

Oh certainly he isn’t a bust. I’d say there is a good chance he’s a mid 40s point guy with a solid chance at a mid 50s… that is far from a bust in that area of the draft where it is 50/50 if a player is even in the NHL. IMO the expectations were just way too high coming in especially with his skill set.

 

[Toothless Legend]

Why Pinto?

Why not?

 

[Balthazar]

Any chance Arber Xhekaj and/or Joshua Roy could be pried out of Montreal? If Girard goes the other way, that's a quick way to free up a few million in capspace. I honestly think Joshua Roy has the chops to be the next O'Reilly

No.

 

[JLo217]

Can I also state that AJ should not be the guy evaluating Newhook?! AJ has vastly overrated him for years and is a complete homer on him.

AJ still thinks he's gonna blow up someday lol

 

[Pokecheque]

Why Pinto?

I dunno he already seems to be a legit scoring line center already, whereas Krebs is still developing.

 

[AvsFan29]

To be honest, at this point I don’t even care about term.

I don’t care about age. I don’t care about salary. Don’t care about term.

I want the best possible chance to win a Stanley Cup in 2024. I don’t care if we are the worst team in the league for 5 years after that.

I just want another Cup while this core is at its best.

The playoffs are difficult for even the best teams that go all in at the deadline (Tampa, Boston, NYR).

Mortgaging the future for 1 shot at the cup isn't something an intelligent GM would do.

Would you mortgage your house and put it all on a roulette spin?

Those odds are 50/50, which is a lot higher than any odds an NHL team has at a cup.

 

[dahrougem2]

The playoffs are difficult for even the best teams that go all in at the deadline (Tampa, Boston, NYR).

Mortgaging the future for 1 shot at the cup isn't something an intelligent GM would do.

Would you mortgage your house and put it all on a roulette spin?

Those odds are 50/50, which is a lot higher than any odds an NHL team has at a cup.

It's exactly what our GM did last year

 

[nammerus]

The playoffs are difficult for even the best teams that go all in at the deadline (Tampa, Boston, NYR).

Mortgaging the future for 1 shot at the cup isn't something an intelligent GM would do.

Would you mortgage your house and put it all on a roulette spin?

Those odds are 50/50, which is a lot higher than any odds an NHL team has at a cup.

That’s a terrible analogy, considering a single roulette number has a 2-3% chance of hitting.

The Avs were in the 30-40% bracket last year when they went for it, which was well worth it.

 

[Drury_Sakic]

The odds are pretty good that one of Lando or Nuke, if not both, are on LTIR or not part of the cap to at least start the year, if not longer.

IMO, unless they are a key part of the deal to bring in said upgrade, you keep Girard, Toews, and the rest of the D intact.

You use that LTIR or possibly voided contract space of Nuke to sign/trade for a legit upgrade at center and some other forward depth improvements.

You bring back one or both Johnson’s on near league min contracts with the expectation of one/both that they are now the 7/8th D men. You do the Toronto thing of sending them down at times and holding their contract in the AHL but don’t actually make them report. Both are solid true depth options. You look for an improvement at the 6 spot if at all possible, otherwise you are rotating Johnson/Johnson/Hunt/maybe another AHLer till the deadline.

IF you need to get the LTIR overspend cap space back, you then look in season to trade Girard or Toews. The worst/best case is that the team is healthy around the deadline and you sell on one of the D men for prospects.

 

[AvsFan29]

That’s a terrible analogy, considering a single roulette number has a 2-3% chance of hitting.

The Avs were in the 30-40% bracket last year when they went for it, which was well worth it.

Red and black is 50/50 which is obviously what I was referring to

It's exactly what our GM did last year

Not really...he made some good additions, but nothing crazy.

The market was shit this year as well. Barely any players that were traded have made a difference

 

[Drury_Sakic]

Example being, sign O’Reilly, sign one of Compher or ERod, depending on what O’Reilly cost, and then go get 2-3 bottom two line options at that 1-2 million range.

Wait to see what happens with Lando, if he is looking healthy mid season and coming back and no other injuries have occurred that freed up cap space, trade Girard or Toews. And yes, neither of those guys offset O’Reilly alone, duh, but you overspend by about their cap hit, knowing moving them is what gets you compliant.

 

[Drury_Sakic]

The market was shit this year as well. Barely any players that were traded have made a difference

The thing is, the Avs were a goal or two away from getting past the first round, that could have been probably accomplished with some low impact/cost moves.

Power play sucked, could not score. Park a JVR in front of the net a few times he either gets 1-2 and/or someone else gets a few. Without Lando, Kadri, and then Nuke, JT was the net front guy? Ooph.

The Avs 4th line was a void. 4th line last year did not dominate, but they 100% contributed to a cup. Small upgrade or two for the bottom half of the lineup with a specialist or two could have won a round.

Would they have won the cup? I will admit probably not, but the cost of getting 1-2 depth players would have been a whole lot of nothing. And once you win a round, you never know. Mac and Rants can drag a team a long ways.

 

[Hasbro]

I dunno he already seems to be a legit scoring line center already, whereas Krebs is still developing.

 

[dahrougem2]

Red and black is 50/50 which is obviously what I was referring to


Not really...he made some good additions, but nothing crazy.

The market was shit this year as well. Barely any players that were traded have made a difference

A 1st, two 2nds and our two top prospects were traded in order to win. That is as all-in as you will ever see.

 

[AvsFan29]

A 1st, two 2nds and our two top prospects were traded in order to win. That is as all-in as you will ever see.

That's basically what Tampa paid for Jeannot this year

 

[TruePowerSlave]

Not really...he made some good additions, but nothing crazy.

The market was shit this year as well. Barely any players that were traded have made a difference

Lehkonen, Manson and Sturm at the deadline was massive. One of the best forward and Dman available and both went to the Avs, they don't lift the cup without them.

Let's not downplay the great deadline last season. The real issue is that it was the only time the team truly went for it.

 

[dahrougem2]

That's basically what Tampa paid for Jeannot this year

Yeah, because a 1st, two 2nds, and two top prospects are equivalent to a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th.

 

[Balthazar]

lol @ the ROR talk

Seriously, we gotta find a way to make a Girard for Pinto swap. If the Sens believe that Girard can play the right side it could work.

Norris is coming back and they have basically two 1C's in Norris and Stutzle. Pinto becomes their 3C (which is fine) but G would help their defence quite a bit, especially with Hamonic gone.

Chabot - Chychrun
Sanderson - Girard

That sure is a playoff team caliber top 4.

PS: Girard being signed for this long helps a team like Ottawa who has issues with player retention. Also G speaks French so it's good marketing for them.

 

[Avaholic29]

Lehkonen, Manson and Sturm at the deadline was massive. One of the best forward and Dman available and both went to the Avs, they don't lift the cup without them.

Let's not downplay the great deadline last season. The real issue is that it was the only time the team truly went for it.

To be fair lehkonen wasn’t regarded as one of the best forwards available. Was definitely a big deadline but helleson isn’t that great either. Barron was our best piece moved, the real issue as to why our cupboards are empty is because they are one of the worst drafting teams I’ve ever seen.

 

[dahrougem2]

To be fair lehkonen wasn’t regarded as one of the best forwards available. Was definitely a big deadline but helleson isn’t that great either. Barron was our best piece moved, the real issue as to why our cupboards are empty is because they are one of the worst drafting teams I’ve ever seen.

They traded Timmins, Barron, Helleson, a 1st and two 2nds in the span of less than a year to win. That is all in, and those are premium pieces.

And yes, Lehkonen was one of the top forwards available. He just wasn't Giroux.

 

[dahrougem2]

lol @ the ROR talk

Seriously, we gotta find a way to make a Girard for Pinto swap. If the Sens believe that Girard can play the right side it could work.

Norris is coming back and they have basically two 1C's in Norris and Stutzle. Pinto becomes their 3C (which is fine) but G would help their defence quite a bit, especially with Hamonic gone.

Chabot - Chychrun
Sanderson - Girard

That sure is a playoff team caliber top 4.

PS: Girard being signed for this long helps a team like Ottawa who has issues with player retention. Also G speaks French so it's good marketing for them.

Norris is not a 1C and has had two major shoulder surgeries in the last year. He is far from a sure thing health wise and is more of a 2C, especially with Stutzle taking over.

I am sure Ottawa is happy to run Stutzle/Norris/Pinto down the middle.

Girard also replaces nothing that Hamonic provides. He is more of what they already have.

 

[Avaholic29]

They traded Timmins, Barron, Helleson, a 1st and two 2nds in the span of less than a year to win. That is all in, and those are premium pieces.

And yes, Lehkonen was one of the top forwards available. He just wasn't Giroux.

Timmins and helleson aren’t much, hard for me to value an avs first considering how often they bust (olausson is next). It was definitely all in but lehkonen wasn’t even as highly regarded as copp in terms of trade targets at the time, of course it worked out in our favour but I’m just saying it wasn’t some sort of bidding war for lehky. My assumption is Cmac knew we wouldn’t have landy and didn’t want to risk going all in without him so he did literally nothing instead.

 

[BobRossColton]

So the list is mittelstadt, Hayton, Luostarinen and now pinto.
Roslovic is still intriguing to me.

 

[dahrougem2]

Timmins and helleson aren’t much, hard for me to value an avs first considering how often they bust (olausson is next). It was definitely all in but lehkonen wasn’t even as highly regarded as copp in terms of trade targets at the time, of course it worked out in our favour but I’m just saying it wasn’t some sort of bidding war for lehky. My assumption is Cmac knew we wouldn’t have landy and didn’t want to risk going all in without him so he did literally nothing instead.

Timmins and Helleson aren't much to you for whatever reason but those were premium prospects. It's also strange you put the value of a 1st round pick as who the Avs would select instead of, you know, just a straight up 1st round pick.

Very odd.