Rumor: 2023-2024 Trade Rumors and Free Agency: Offseason Edition

[chet1926]

What the f*** is wrong with everyone.? Did everyone just forget how Compher played after the trade deadline and in the playoffs? How the f*** is that player worth anywhere near 4 million a season? Once that POS had his job security and knew he did enough for a raise, he stopped playing. Once this guy gets paid he will be completely useless again. Just like after his last payday.

I don't agree with this. JTC simply is a streaky 3rd liner, don't think getting paid has anything to do with his streaks.

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

What the f*** is wrong with everyone.? Did everyone just forget how Compher played after the trade deadline and in the playoffs? How the f*** is that player worth anywhere near 4 million a season? Once that POS had his job security and knew he did enough for a raise, he stopped playing. Once this guy gets paid he will be completely useless again. Just like after his last payday.

 

[UncleRisto]

I don't agree with this. JTC simply is a streaky 3rd liner, don't think getting paid has anything to do with his streaks.

During the season it has to do with his streakiness. Right now, everyone is worried they'll commit too much money and term to re-sign him. It's not that he isn't a good 3rd liner on 3rd liner money.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

I just don't understand the JTC hate around here. Not every player is a high end scorer. JTC in the right role, plays it well. If you can get him around the 4M range I'd be perfectly fine with it.

We could do a lot worse than Mack-RyJo-JTC a or top 3 centers.

I would prefer taking a shot at Jonathan Toews as 3C. But maybe we've used up our risky move for the season.

 

[sethro109]

Honestly I respect you as a poster but I literally don't put even an ounce of value on anything you say about JTC.

I dont think I've ever seen someone hold as much of an irrational hatred for a player as you do with JTC.

It completely invalidates anything you say about him quite frankly.

In the 23 games after the trade deadline Compher had a whopping 4 goals and 10 points while having Rants stapled to his wing. In the playoffs he posted 2 points. This while receiving almost every Ozone start with MacK and Mikko.

If he was on the 3rd line it wouldn't be a problem, but Bednar will never use him that way.

 

[forsbergavs32]

I just don't understand the JTC hate around here. Not every player is a high end scorer. JTC in the right role, plays it well. If you can get him around the 4M range I'd be perfectly fine with it.

We could do a lot worse than Mack-RyJo-JTC a or top 3 centers.

I don’t hate JTC, he’s a fine 3rd liner. But he’s quite streaky and Bednar can’t help himself when it comes to shoving him into a top 6 role he’s just not good enough for. Plus I think he’s going to make too much on this upcoming contract to justify having him as a 3rd liner.

He got a cup and a team like Chicago is probably gonna pay him somewhere in the 5 mil range.

 

[JLo217]

I don't think anyone hates Compher. I think people hate the thought of paying Compher anything more than 3.5 million

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

In the 23 games after the trade deadline Compher had a whopping 4 goals and 10 points while having Rants stapled to his wing. In the playoffs he posted 2 points. This while receiving almost every Ozone start with MacK and Mikko.

If he was on the 3rd line it wouldn't be a problem, but Bednar will never use him that way.

He was on the 3rd line almost his entire time here

Like I said man, you provide zero value to JTC discussions. Just blind hatred nonsense.

 

[Vaslof]

It's the Kadri situation again. Basically gotta leave millions on the table if they want to stay.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

I don't think anyone hates Compher. I think people hate the thought of paying Compher anything more than 3.5 million

Somebody most definitely hates Compher here.

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

I don't think anyone hates Compher. I think people hate the thought of paying Compher anything more than 3.5 million

Pretty clear @sethro109 thinks he's a jerk!

 

[Bender]

I guess people just seem to have a difference of opinion but I absolutely have to question fans on this very board who would be OK with paying JTC $4M per or 'as long as it's under $5M per' on a new contract.

I truly question whether they actually watched the games or if they are the kind of fans that just kind of look at the scoreboard the next day.

Just because someone prefers if a player signs elsewhere than the team try to overpay to keep a player that had trouble living up to his original contract, it doesn't mean that they 'HATE HIM'... it just means just what that says.

There is going to be a desperate team that is going to sign JTC to a big contract and it's going to look like a lot of those late 20s contracts that players sign and then hit a big-giant wall.

We don't want the Avs to be that team.

 

[Ararana]

 

[Bender]

He was on the 3rd line almost his entire time here

Like I said man, you provide zero value to JTC discussions. Just blind hatred nonsense.

Here is his ice-time per year over the courses of his 4 year contract :

2019-20 - 5th most amongst forwards
2020-21 - 7th most amongst forwards (20 secs or so behind Donskoi)
2021-22 - 6th most amongst forwards* (who played more than 16 games for the team)
2022-23 - 3rd most amongst forwards

*Leks had about 20 secs more ice-time in the 16 regular season games he played here.

Seems like he was used as more than just a regular 3rd liner to me.

 

[sethro109]

He was on the 3rd line almost his entire time here

Like I said man, you provide zero value to JTC discussions. Just blind hatred nonsense.

When Kadri was here, he was on the 3rd line. Then in a contract season he starts putting up 2C numbers while paired with Mikko and we ended up doing nothing at the TDL. This (and Nuke) cost us in the first round. Paying 4+ or 5+ million for this guy just isn't worth it. All it does is eat our cap space. With contracts like MacK's we simply can't afford to be paying players what their worth with our cap structure. We need our depth guys to be on good deals.

 

[Alex Jones]

Hawks first overall pick in 2024 confirmed

 

[Bensch88]

Hall and Bedard..... and JT1W(c)

 

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Here is his ice-time per year over the courses of his 4 year contract :

2019-20 - 5th most amongst forwards
2020-21 - 7th most amongst forwards (20 secs or so behind Donskoi)
2021-22 - 6th most amongst forwards* (who played more than 16 games for the team)
2022-23 - 3rd most amongst forwards

*Leks had about 20 secs more ice-time in the 16 regular season games he played here.

Seems like he was used as more than just a regular 3rd liner to me.

JTC's numbers stem from the fact that he plays all situations. JTC's top unit PK duty for most of his tenure gives him and extra minute or so a night. Most top 6 guys for the Avs under Bednar have not done that (Nuke and Lehky have been the exception, and in Nuke's case he didn't start in the top 6 until 21-22).

 

[chet1926]

During the season it has to do with his streakiness. Right now, everyone is worried they'll commit too much money and term to re-sign him. It's not that he isn't a good 3rd liner on 3rd liner money.

Fair. But at the right cost I have no problem with him coming back.

I mean we clearly aren't throwing the bank at him or he'd already be signed. So I have faith that management will either get him at a number that is fair or we will let him walk.

IMO he's earned higher end 3rd line to borderline 2nd liner money. As a 28 year old this means fair/team friendly is 4-4.5M, anything higher than that is leaning towards legit 2nd line, which I don't think the team is willing to pay nor the player earned or the deal would be done already.

 

[Ararana]

Hawks first overall pick in 2024 confirmed

Chicago doesn't need Taylor Hall to get Bettman to hand them lottery wins.

 

[The Abusement Park]

In the 23 games after the trade deadline Compher had a whopping 4 goals and 10 points while having Rants stapled to his wing. In the playoffs he posted 2 points. This while receiving almost every Ozone start with MacK and Mikko.

If he was on the 3rd line it wouldn't be a problem, but Bednar will never use him that way.

I mean he had to be used in the top 6 last year because of the FO not because of Bednar… also the only time JT would be put in the top 6 is when there were injuries

I guess people just seem to have a difference of opinion but I absolutely have to question fans on this very board who would be OK with paying JTC $4M per or 'as long as it's under $5M per' on a new contract.

I truly question whether they actually watched the games or if they are the kind of fans that just kind of look at the scoreboard the next day.

Just because someone prefers if a player signs elsewhere than the team try to overpay to keep a player that had trouble living up to his original contract, it doesn't mean that they 'HATE HIM'... it just means just what that says.

There is going to be a desperate team that is going to sign JTC to a big contract and it's going to look like a lot of those late 20s contracts that players sign and then hit a big-giant wall.

We don't want the Avs to be that team.

The thing is both things can be true. He can be a useful 3rd liner who isn’t worth an FA deal because of his lack of consistency. But maybe that’s too nuanced or something.

 

[LOFIN]

Very interesting for Chicago. Having Hall around might be good for Bedard, and who knows, maybe he'll like it there and re-signs. Or you flip him at the deadline with retention for more assets and futures, I mean just because you got Bedard doesn't mean the rebuild is over.

Really liking what Chicago did here and it f***ing sucks that this franchise is about to turn it around.

 

[sethro109]

I mean he had to be used in the top 6 last year because of the FO not because of Bednar… also the only time JT would be put in the top 6 is when there were injuries

Bednar at the beginning of the season said that they would give Newhook an extended look at 2C. That didn't happen. He also never tried eRod there, who I think would have been a better choice.

 

[LTCPain75]

 

[RockLobster]

Hall and Foligno going to Chicago, according to Dreger.