Rumor: 2023-2024 Trade Rumors and Free Agency: Offseason Edition

[Northern Avs Fan]

I do think that Girard is a tough player to trade.

There’s definitely teams that flat out won’t value him. There’s probably even some old school guys who will look at the +/- and knock him for that.

That’s why I don’t think it’s a guarantee that he’s moved. It makes sense that he’s the odd guy out, but the fit has to be right and maybe the team that values him doesn’t have what the Avs want.

That’s why I think Toews, and Byram should be on the table too.

 

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Byram leans and that's fine, but he often gets tossed aside rather easily. He's a bit too light weight to be considered a physical dman.

Anyways like I said, the Avs d core may not be soft, but they certainly are less physical then the average NHL team. The top 4 of Toews/Makar/G/Byram don't rely on physicality and certainly don't strike fear into the opposition. There's nothing wrong with that, because they'll hurt you in a multitude of other ways, but the Avs won a cup without having a super big and physical d core.


Mostly from the Article actually. Not the posters in here.

Byram throws hits at a much higher rate than you'd think. He's quite physical... guys right around him in hits per 60. Orlov, Carlo, Whitecloud, Oleksiak.

Avs D core is mid pack physically and nearing (if not) top 10 in size. The idea that the Avs are nothing but fast small guys on defense is simply a myth that exists. They are a bigger group, that mostly skates well (few dynamic guys) and some plodders. The Avs are really just barely smaller than Vegas, who is one of the 3 or 4 biggest groups in the league. You take out G (like how the Avs won the Cup)... they are equals to most teams out there in size and physicality.

Where the Avs are legitimately soft in comparision to the league is the bottom 6 and up front in general (more so with Landy out). LOC is the only bottom 6 guy who really hits with any consistency. Lehky is a battler and physical. Beyond them, Nukes is a battle and intelligence guy more than physical. MacK only does it when he has to. Rants is soft, but will win battles he engages in. Newhook, Compher, ERod, Meyers, Neito... there's some different skills there... but it is soft compared the rest of the league.

I do think that Girard is a tough player to trade.

There’s definitely teams that flat out won’t value him. There’s probably even some old school guys who will look at the +/- and knock him for that.

That’s why I don’t think it’s a guarantee that he’s moved. It makes sense that he’s the odd guy out, but the fit has to be right and maybe the team that values him doesn’t have what the Avs want.

That’s why I think Toews, and Byram should be on the table too.

Yup agree with this.

 

[The Abusement Park]

They literally traded for Manson to "help Girard". That's from Sakic himself. So yea there was something wrong with a smaller top 4.

I mean it’s player dependent. Boston made a final with Grezclyk and Krug playing decent to major roles. Nashville made a cup final with Ellis playing big minutes. Blackhawks had Campbell playing big minutes and he was like 5’9/5’10.

As @Northern Avs Fan said you can’t have to many of either guy, it’s about finding a balance. But plenty of small
dman have made big impacts in deep post season runs.

 

[Balthazar]

I do think that Girard is a tough player to trade.

There’s definitely teams that flat out won’t value him. There’s probably even some old school guys who will look at the +/- and knock him for that.

That’s why I don’t think it’s a guarantee that he’s moved. It makes sense that he’s the odd guy out, but the fit has to be right and maybe the team that values him doesn’t have what the Avs want.

That’s why I think Toews, and Byram should be on the table too.

If they keep Toews then yes Byram is available. They can't afford to pay both guys down the road along with Makar.

Avs will have to make tough choices.

Mack, Rantanen and Makar will eat a lot of cap space and the next tier of players (between 5M and 8M) will decide if we can afford depth or not. If we have too many players in that tier we can't have depth.

No depth = no cup.

Where the Avs are legitimately soft in comparision to the league is the bottom 6

I couldn't agree more. Our bottom 6 is both baby soft and doesn't produce. They sure don't bring much to the table.

 

[Avs9296]

Byram throws hits at a much higher rate than you'd think. He's quite physical... guys right around him in hits per 60. Orlov, Carlo, Whitecloud, Oleksiak.

Avs D core is mid pack physically and nearing (if not) top 10 in size. The idea that the Avs are nothing but fast small guys on defense is simply a myth that exists. They are a bigger group, that mostly skates well (few dynamic guys) and some plodders. The Avs are really just barely smaller than Vegas, who is one of the 3 or 4 biggest groups in the league. You take out G (like how the Avs won the Cup)... they are equals to most teams out there in size and physicality.

Where the Avs are legitimately soft in comparision to the league is the bottom 6 and up front in general (more so with Landy out). LOC is the only bottom 6 guy who really hits with any consistency. Lehky is a battler and physical. Beyond them, Nukes is a battle and intelligence guy more than physical. MacK only does it when he has to. Rants is soft, but will win battles he engages in. Newhook, Compher, ERod, Meyers, Neito... there's some different skills there... but it is soft compared the rest of the league.



Yup agree with this.

Definitely agree that the Avs bottom six is very soft. Especially for a group that barely scores, they need to provide something. I hope the Avs address that in the summer.

 

[John Mandalorian]

None of Makar, Toews, Girard or Byram really lean on guys in the corners or cross check the shit out of guys in front of our own net. Makar will throw a big hit once in a while but he's hardly clearing creases and making people pay the price in front.

Those 4 guys rely on quickness and reading of the game to stop cycles and transition the puck out of the zone. They're not soft per se, but they are not what I'd consider physical defensemen at all.


Also now everyone is in love with Manson?! According to half this board the guy sucks and is a liability. Whatever fits the narrative at the time I guess.

Ryan McDonagh is the embodiment of the physical playoff style D. The Lightning couldn't trade him fast enough after the Avs made him look like a statue.

 

[The Abusement Park]

Ryan McDonagh is the embodiment of the physical playoff style D. The Lightning couldn't trade him fast enough after the Avs made him look like a statue.

I mean he was a cap casualty, not traded because of his performance in the SCF.

 

[Alienblood]

That’s gonna be a brutal contract

Seth Jones bad

 

[Alienblood]

Got to agree, not sure I've ever seen Jarmo make a good move.

He's clearly trying to get better than last year but handing out long bad contracts and trading for a guy that will walk in two years, doesn't seen like a great way to go about getting better.

He got ridnof Seth Jones lol

So what's so special about Lundell anyways? I watch him play and I don't see anything special. He's kinda slow, kinda soft, makes a nice pass once in a while, has a slow release.

I definitely wouldn't trade Byram for him as some suggested in this thread.

He's meh , wouldn't trade Newhook for him

 

[Alienblood]

I don't see 1C potential. Not at all. But hey that's why everyone is entitled to their opinions.


It's only for a few weeks negotiating rights.

1C lmao

 

[Alienblood]

I mean Boqvist, Jiricek, Johnson, Marchenko, Foudy, Sillinger, Texier(not last season obviously), etc have all played the last 2 seasons. And they’re adding Jiricek and Carlsso/Smith next season. I mean it’s very obviously part of plan.

Is it cup contending level? Probably not, but a playoff team is easily achievable there.

The biggest obstacle I’d say at the moment is Elvis. There’s a good chance that dude is just cooked mentally and needs a change of scenery. Or could just be a permanent thing. But he went from solving the G spot to being a detriment unfortunately.

Maybe Merzlikens was never really that good. He hasn't shown it

 

[Alienblood]

Hayes I’m guessing?


I mean the BJ’s were 3pts out of a playoff spot 2 years ago IIRC. They since added Gaudreau and strongly bolstered their backend. If Jiricek and 3OA hit they easily have the talent to make the PO’s.

Over who cause Buffalo are getting in.

Like I said in my post above... it is a bit of a myth the Avs are small. The Cup lineup only had Makar below 6'. That whole run only had G and Makar. Beyond them we're all 6'1+"... EJ, Manson, and JMFJ all have some known snarl. Byram, Toews, and Makar are not soft. I'd say the Avs fit the idea of size matters... they are bigger than Florida and pretty similar to Vegas (Makar is the guy who drags the Avs down).

Makar is 6 ft. According to an article a few years ago he commented on that . Not sure why they never update that stuff . 6 ft 205 he said himself

 

[The Abusement Park]

Maybe Merzlikens was never really that good. He hasn't shown it

i mean if you ignore his rookie season where he was almost a Vezina finalist and followed it up with a very solid season than yeah he’s never showed it.

But I think it’s pretty obvious why he’s been so bad the last couple years…

 

[Balthazar]

That's what I thought...he will end up with the Horvat contract.

Personally I don't think you should have a 9M player playing on the 2nd line, especially not for a team like us way too many highly-paid players already. Pass.

 

[Balthazar]

Duhatschek notebook: What NHL offseason trades would we most like to see?

Eric Duhatschek ponders NHL trades involving one of the league's most exciting players, a big-name center, and a former 40-goal scorer.

theathletic.com

Is that the "trade in the pipeline" you were referring to @henchman21 ?

 

[Cousin Eddie]

Man Columbus would be so stupid to do that lol.

 

[The Abusement Park]

Duhatschek notebook: What NHL offseason trades would we most like to see?

Eric Duhatschek ponders NHL trades involving one of the league's most exciting players, a big-name center, and a former 40-goal scorer.

theathletic.com

Is that the "trade in the pipeline" you were referring to @henchman21 ?

That…. That would be an awful trade for CBJ. The trade in the pipeline is 100% Hayes though. Feel like there’s been decent smoke around that move.

 

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Duhatschek notebook: What NHL offseason trades would we most like to see?

Eric Duhatschek ponders NHL trades involving one of the league's most exciting players, a big-name center, and a former 40-goal scorer.

theathletic.com

Is that the "trade in the pipeline" you were referring to @henchman21 ?

No… they are not trading the #3 pick. That’ll be Carlsson or Smith, most likely smith.

 

[Linds]

That's what I thought...he will end up with the Horvat contract.

Personally I don't think you should have a 9M player playing on the 2nd line, especially not for a team like us way too many highly-paid players already. Pass.

7.5 would have made more sense, but there's a lot of dumb teams desperate so he'll get it

 

[Balthazar]

7.5 would have made more sense, but there's a lot of dumb teams desperate so he'll get it

Carolina should give him 8.5M/9M. He's a great fit here but an even greater fit there IMO. Another good-but-not-elite player, that's their speciality.

 

[Linds]

Carolina should give him 8.5M/9M. He's a great fit here but an even greater fit there IMO. Another good-but-not-elite player, that's their speciality.

ECF good but not SCF good

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Saw a report that PLD is looking for $9M... That's probably too much for us to get involved. Unless they plan on trading Mikko which is pretty unlikely.


It does just further point to the reality that our window isn't going to last much longer however.

 

[sethro109]

Isn't asking for $9 million basically saying he'll settle for $7.5-8 million?

 

[Mighty Makar]

Isn't asking for $9 million basically saying he'll settle for $7.5-8 million?

Yep!

 

[AvalancheSpeedsters]

Isn't asking for $9 million basically saying he'll settle for $7.5-8 million?

Exactly . If this information is « out there » it could signal that he could be traded soon and this is just posturing for the new team about what to expect negotiation wise .

I know it doesn’t solve our second line Center issue, but I would like to see Jonathan Toews sign here , still a good (or useful) third line face off guy .