Rumor: 2023-2024 Trade Rumors and Free Agency: Offseason Edition

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Lundell is going to be fantastic... he's buried on the depth chart and gets heavy defensive minutes. He's a future high end #2, Selke defense level center. Possibly low end #1. You could pull advanced macro and micro stats and have a real hard time picking out who is who between Lindholm and Lundell. It will come around.

 

[hughdreamz]

Just a 3rd? Wow

 

[Avs9296]

Lundell is going to be fantastic... he's buried on the depth chart and gets heavy defensive minutes. He's a future high end #2, Selke defense level center. Possibly low end #1. You could pull advanced macro and micro stats and have a real hard time picking out who is who between Lindholm and Lundell. It will come around.

I don't see 1C potential. Not at all. But hey that's why everyone is entitled to their opinions.

Just a 3rd? Wow

It's only for a few weeks negotiating rights.

 

[LOFIN]

Team finished 31/32 (!!!)

C'mon now. We know that's not how bad the team actually is. They were decimated by injuries, had absolutely brutal goaltending and coaching. All of that is going to improve.

 

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I don't see 1C potential. Not at all. But hey that's why everyone is entitled to their opinions.


It's only for a few weeks negotiating rights.

It is there. Maybe not in the next 2 seasons with how their lineup shakes out, but 3-4-5 years down the road he's going to be very highly regarded around the league. The future Cheese-Lundell-Samoskevich/Luostarinen line is going to be an absolute nightmare to play against.

C'mon now. We know that's not how bad the team actually is. They were decimated by injuries, had absolutely brutal goaltending and coaching. All of that is going to improve.

His hate boner for Columbus is 4-5 lines of Viagra deep. Just gotta let him cook.

 

[hughdreamz]

I don't see 1C potential. Not at all. But hey that's why everyone is entitled to their opinions.


It's only for a few weeks negotiating rights.

Kinda. Was a sign and trade. Severson was pretty sought after according to reports. Thought they could’ve driven up the price more.

 

[Avs9296]

It is there. Maybe not in the next 2 seasons with how their lineup shakes out, but 3-4-5 years down the road he's going to be very highly regarded around the league. The future Cheese-Lundell-Samoskevich/Luostarinen line is going to be an absolute nightmare to play against.

His hate boner for Columbus is 4-5 lines of Viagra deep. Just gotta let him cook.

How did I know you were going to reply back saying I'm wrong and you're right.

Fine I'll do the same.

It is most definitely NOT there for Lundell to be a 1C. Never.

 

[The Abusement Park]

Team finished 31/32 (!!!) and he trades a 1st round pick for 2 year rental with a bad rap...then turns around and signs a contract that makes last year Gudbranson's signing look like a steal (and gave up a 3rd for the privilege of doing this).

Jarmo is making sure that the absolute ceiling for that franchise is and will always be a mediocre playoff bubble team. To me he's literally the absolute worst team architect in the league.

I mean the pieces they have on the main roster and in the pipeline can easily put them as more than a bubble team. But it’s the same as any other rebuilding team, if their big pieces hit a they should take steps forward. If Smith/Carlsson become a franchise 1C that fills the biggest hole on their roster and Johnson is another potential 1C/W on the roster. They already have a 1D in Werenski and another one in Jiricek.

Obviously there’s some shitty contracts on the roster(Severson and Gudbranson) and is Babcock the guy you want developing that young talent? Probably not, but their prospect pool is deep and Jarmo has improved the weakest part of their roster. I don’t think what Jarmo has done is perfect, but there’s certainly some merit to what he’s doing.

 

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How did I know you were going to reply back saying I'm wrong and you're right.

Fine I'll do the same.

It is most definitely NOT there for Lundell to be a 1C. Never.

I could go full scout mode and give you all the reasons.

I'm never saying I'm always right... I'm wrong A LOT. I do have have strong opinions about players that I will express whether people agree or not.

 

[Balthazar]

is Babcock the guy you want developing that young talent?

Developing young talent? It's not and never was part of the plan in Columbus.

 

[UncleRisto]

I have a fear boner for Columbus.

 

[dahrougem2]

I think Anton Lundell will probably end up being a fine 2C in this league, probably even a really high end one.

I don't think he'll touch 1C level, ever.

 

[Balthazar]

His hate boner for Columbus is 4-5 lines of Viagra deep. Just gotta let him cook.

I don't "hate" them, I actually wanted them to get Bedard. It's bad decision after bad decison after bad decision. They only get away with it because no one cares.

 

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I mean the pieces they have on the main roster and in the pipeline can easily put them as more than a bubble team. But it’s the same as any other rebuilding team, if their big pieces hit a they should take steps forward. If Smith/Carlsson become a franchise 1C that fills the biggest hole on their roster and Johnson is another potential 1C/W on the roster. They already have a 1D in Werenski and another one in Jiricek.

Obviously there’s some shitty contracts on the roster(Severson and Gudbranson) and is Babcock the guy you want developing that young talent? Probably not, but their prospect pool is deep and Jarmo has improved the weakest part of their roster. I don’t think what Jarmo has done is perfect, but there’s certainly some merit to what he’s doing.

Their pool is incredibly strong today. To the extent that they will have to sell some of the young pieces in general as they go through the next couple years as there just won't be room.

They have 4 or 5 young defensemen that have top 4 potential. With Jiricek looking every bit like a future #1. Johnson and Sillinger are two great, young top 9 options. Marchenko flashed his goal scoring potential last year with his Cy Young sort of year. Voro is coming over. Dumais looks like a really solid young winger. Then adding the #3 pick to the forward group. Lots of nice pieces there all 22 and younger. Not perfect and not to a contending level... but their young talent looks fantastic.

I don't "hate" them, I actually wanted them to get Bedard. It's bad decision after bad decison after bad decision. They only get away with it because no one cares.

I'd say your posting history signals you hate them.

Now whether or not that is your intent, I don't know that... but you legitimately talk bad about everything they do and the organization as a whole.

 

[The Abusement Park]

Developing young talent? It's not and never was part of the plan in Columbus.

I mean Boqvist, Jiricek, Johnson, Marchenko, Foudy, Sillinger, Texier(not last season obviously), etc have all played the last 2 seasons. And they’re adding Jiricek and Carlsso/Smith next season. I mean it’s very obviously part of plan.

Is it cup contending level? Probably not, but a playoff team is easily achievable there.

The biggest obstacle I’d say at the moment is Elvis. There’s a good chance that dude is just cooked mentally and needs a change of scenery. Or could just be a permanent thing. But he went from solving the G spot to being a detriment unfortunately.

 

[Balthazar]

'd say your posting history signals you hate them.

Now whether or not that is your intent, I don't know that... but you legitimately talk bad about everything they do and the organization as a whole.

Because they would be a contending team if they didn't cut corners all the time. They are still doing it, as of today.

So instead of being a young and upcoming team like NJ they are a poor man's Minny (and always been). Just because they cut corners and refuse to build a team properly.

They have a chance to finally draft a 1C this year and perhaps use him to build a real core. We'll see what they do.

 

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Because they would be a contending team if they didn't cut corners all the time. They are still doing it, as of today.

So instead of being a young and upcoming team like NJ they are a poor man's Minny (and always been). Just because they cut corners and refuse to build a team properly.

They have a chance to finally draft a 1C this year and perhaps use him to build a real core. We'll see what they do.

What always gets lost in this chatter is that Columbus needs to be a viable business too. They can't afford many bad seasons and still have a team. The ownership is not that flush and the market is not deep enough to go through a bad 5-6 year stretch again. Winnipeg will be doing the same exact thing over the next few years. Some organizations just can't pull off a Chicago or Buffalo economically... getting to that middle keeps the lights on.

 

[Balthazar]

I mean Boqvist, Jiricek, Johnson, Marchenko, Foudy, Sillinger, Texier(not last season obviously), etc have all played the last 2 seasons. And they’re adding Jiricek and Carlsso/Smith next season. I mean it’s very obviously part of plan.

If that's the plan then why are they hiring Babcock? Signed an 8-year anchor contract today? Traded a 1st for 2 years of Provorov?

Why did they sign 29 yo Gaudreau last year? Why are they keeping Laine?

What always gets lost in this chatter is that Columbus needs to be a viable business too. They can't afford many bad seasons and still have a team. The ownership is not that flush and the market is not deep enough to go through a bad 5-6 year stretch again. Winnipeg will be doing the same exact thing over the next few years. Some organizations just can't pull off a Chicago or Buffalo economically... getting to that middle keeps the lights on.

But the result isn't there!! It's not like they are successful by refusing to rebuild, they are not! They suck now and hurt their future at the same time.

 

[The Abusement Park]

If that's the plan then why are they hiring Babcock? Signed an 8-year anchor contract today? Traded a 1st for 2 years of Provorov?

Why did they sign 29 yo Gaudreau last year? Why are they keeping Laine?

To give the young guys talent to play and to insulate them? You can’t just send out a team full of 21 year olds and expect them to just develop perfectly. Plus like Hench said the businesses aspect is another part of it.

 

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If that's the plan then why are they hiring Babcock? Signed an 8-year anchor contract today? Traded a 1st for 2 years of Provorov?

Why did they sign 29 yo Gaudreau last year? Why are they keeping Laine?


But the result isn't there!! It's not like they are successful by refusing to rebuild, they are not! They suck now and hurt their future at the same time.

They sucked last year because the wheels fell off injury wise and they threw in the towel. 21-22 they were a .500 team that finished in 10th in the East. That's in the middle. Gaudreau was supposed to help them get over that hump. It just didn't happen for a variety of reasons. If they are as bad as they were last season for 3 more seasons... we'd see their attendance in the mid 14s again and the organization can't survive that. Fans will forgive a bad year or two... 4+ tends to really hurt the bottom line.

The results will show next season if these moves worked or not. If they are a fringe wild card team and attendance sticks in the mid 16s... they are successful for them.

At least one more of these moves are in the pipeline. Probably announced in the next 48 hours... could be as soon as today. I expect it will get similar ire.

 

[Balthazar]

The results will show next season if these moves worked or not. If they are a fringe wild card team and attendance sticks in the mid 16s... they are successful for them.

So we're basically saying the same thing. Playoff bubble is good enough for that franchise

At least one more of these moves are in the pipeline. Probably announced in the next 48 hours... could be as soon as today. I expect it will get similar ire.

Just read that Boqvist could be on the move. Not surprised
Gotta make room for Gudbranson, Provorov and Severson.

 

[The Abusement Park]

At least one more of these moves are in the pipeline. Probably announced in the next 48 hours... could be as soon as today. I expect it will get similar ire.

Hayes I’m guessing?

So we're basically saying the same thing. Playoff bubble is good enough for that franchise


Just read that Boqvist could be on the move. Not surprised
Gotta make room for Gudbranson, Provorov and Severson.

I mean the BJ’s were 3pts out of a playoff spot 2 years ago IIRC. They since added Gaudreau and strongly bolstered their backend. If Jiricek and 3OA hit they easily have the talent to make the PO’s.

 

[Balthazar]

Hayes I’m guessing?


I mean the BJ’s were 3pts out of a playoff spot 2 years ago IIRC. They since added Gaudreau and strongly bolstered their backend. If Jiricek and 3OA hit they easily have the talent to make the PO’s.

Sure, but they'll never, ever, win the cup. Silly me for thinking that it should be every NHL team's goal.

 

[dahrougem2]

Sure, but they'll never, ever, win the cup. Silly me for thinking that it should be every NHL team's goal.

There's a difference.

IMO it is every NHL team's goal (minus Arizona). I don't believe it is every owner's goal, though. Some genuinely see this as a business venture and nothing more.

 

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There's a difference.

IMO it is every NHL team's goal (minus Arizona). I don't believe it is every owner's goal, though. Some genuinely see this as a business venture and nothing more.

All teams want to get there, but there is a business reality that comes first for 1/2-2/3 of the orgs in the league. Even the Avs' budget gets tight when they are not high in attendance... arguably even today with the how the practice facility is coming along. And the Avs have one of the most free flowing cash flows in the league.