Rumor: 2023-2024 Trade Rumors and Free Agency: Off-season is in full swing

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Martin St Louis was his coach in Montreal you dumbass, not where he played. If you are going to try and mock me at least get your facts right.

Drouin has hit 50 only what 2 times ever in his career, and is notorious for having motivation and injury issues. Any way you slice this move it is completely a reclamation project that management is hoping 29 pulls out of his ass.

I don't need hockeydb to tell me that Drouin has been largely underwhelming his whole career, and this is very risky move that could be great or completely misfire.
my mistake. I read it too quickly and assumed you meant St Louis the city. Never occurred to me that you were discussing the coach.

But I’m still not grasping the reclamation part of this. He’s being brought in to be a complimentary winger. He’s being brought in to help provide offense. No one is expecting Landeskog, or 70+ point offense. They’re expecting 50 ish points of healthy. He’s played parts of the last 2 seasons and still produces at a 40-50 point clip when he plays. And this is on a weaker offensive team, with less talented players.

There’s nothing reclamation about it. He’s being paid under 1M. The only reclamation part is whether he can stay healthy. It seems the personal issues he dealt with are behind him. I know a few people who know him. They’ve spoken highly of him since his return.

Fully appreciate the dumbass comment though. It’s always informative talking to you Chet.
You knew full well my post was a misunderstanding.
 
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Are we completely writing Meyers off? I mean isn’t there a chance he can take step forward next season and be a legit 4C option? CMac has plenty of time to get more help, specially on bottom 6.

He doesn’t have to get everything done right now in the offseason. He can still pick up players or trade for players anytime during the season. It’s smart to give guys like Meyers a chance before making more moves. Although Meyers isn’t even signed right now so we’ll see
I’m not writing Meyers off, but he doesn’t deserve a spot, yet. He could have an amazing training camp and win the #4C, that’s not the position I’m worried over. But if we have the opportunity to sign proven players like Sundqvist, Nosek, etc. for $1 mil, you do it.

I’m just saying there are plenty of bottom 6 help available without needing to give up assets. Guys like Meyers/Olofsson/Foudy will have plenty of opportunities to earn a spot as the season progresses.
 
It really would be a big mistake to spend all the cap space right now and not have any at the trade deadline. If they get another bottom 6 forward and bottom pair D right now spending all the cap space, what do they do mid season if Drouin doesn’t produce and they need someone at that spot? Trade Girard for a top 6 winger? Then who replaces Girard?

Right now the Avs roster is good enough to go through the season until March then they’ll have a better idea what they’re lacking and what they need.
It’s not hard to get cap space at the TDL and make moves. With the cap only going up $1 mil, it’s basically assumed 50% retention will come with any rental as the cost of doing business.

Toronto had zero cap space to start last season and was the most active player last TDL. Vegas fit Barbeshev with having minimal cap space to start the year.
 
What’s with the big fascination of strictly replacing Landeskog?

The Avs have added 2 centres that slot properly. They were already a top 10 offense last year without Landeskog the whole season. They’re arguably stronger offensively, and even if you don’t love Drouin, he’s still very much capable of putting up 50ish points.

There’s more than enough offense already.

And Drouin in St Louis???? Just admit you don’t really know much about him other than what you’ve read here, and what hockeydb says.
Martin St Louis was his coach in Montreal you dumbass, not where he played. If you are going to try and mock me at least get your facts right.

Drouin has hit 50 only what 2 times ever in his career, and is notorious for having motivation and injury issues. Any way you slice this move it is completely a reclamation project that management is hoping 29 pulls out of his ass.

I don't need hockeydb to tell me that Drouin has been largely underwhelming his whole career, and this is very risky move that could be great or completely misfire.
This is what happens when you’re named after a city. It creates confusion
 
It’s not hard to get cap space at the TDL and make moves. With the cap only going up $1 mil, it’s basically assumed 50% retention will come with any rental as the cost of doing business.

Toronto had zero cap space to start last season and was the most active player last TDL. Vegas fit Barbeshev with having minimal cap space to start the year.
Yeah but let’s say you fill your roster right now and have zero cap space at the deadline, you have to trade someone from the roster which is something you don’t want to do at the trade deadline, but if you have some cap space, you can just trade a pick or prospect and get the player you want
 
But I’m still not grasping the reclamation part of this. He’s being brought in to be a complimentary winger. He’s being brought in to help provide offense.
The risk on Drouin looks minimal because of his AAV but it's pretty big because we are lacking another top 6er to replace him if he fails (and he's no stranger to failure).

There's also the fact that Ryjo is a reclamation project as well. Those two are penciled in our top 6 and it's risky business.

The Avs absolutely need another ERod type of player who can play anywhere in the top 9. They'll need him even if both Drouin and Ryjo succeed because players WILL get injured next year too.
 
Dude you were coming off like a jerk with the original comment trying to call him stupid. Calling you a dumbass was well within Chet's rights
The risk on Drouin looks minimal because of his AAV but it's pretty big because we are lacking another top 6er to replace him if he fails (and he's no stranger to failure).

There's also the fact that Ryjo is a reclamation project as well. Those two are penciled in our top 6 and it's risky business.

The Avs absolutely need another ERod type of player who can play anywhere in the top 9. They'll need him even if both Drouin and Ryjo succeed because players WILL get injured next year too.
I mean I get the risk in perhaps underperformance.

But at this point, it’s better to just accept them for what they are, and hope that they’re rejuvenated and have potential for better seasons surrounded by better players.

These guys are what they are.
 
I mean I get the risk in perhaps underperformance.

But at this point, it’s better to just accept them for what they are, and hope that they’re rejuvenated and have potential for better seasons surrounded by better players.

These guys are what they are.

Sounds like the same logic used to push Newhook/Erod/JTC into the #2C spot last year. Worked out pretty well from what I remember.
 
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I think letting a prospect challenge for the final d spot would be good. If none of them can take JMFJ can start off as our 6th D and we can add one off waivers or trade. I don't think we can trade Girard until we have toews signed or atleast some kind of verbal agreement in place. I'd want us to kick tires at tarasenko for 1 year but I don't think we can afford him. If we did its insurance for if drouin doesn't pan out and gives us solid top 6. He probably gets to pad his stats and get paid next year
 
Lol Drouin is not a top 6er, they are trying to cheap out and pray that Drouin will magically work with 29.

But let's be honest Drouin scored 2 goals last year with what 27pts, plus he got benched multiple times by St Louis. He's going to have to do a 180 to even be close to top 6er.

Colorado has never gone for the "name" player to fill the winger position in their top-6, aside from Brandon Saad.

Otherwise, it's been players like Burakovsky, Donksoi, Lehkonen, and Nichushkin, all of whom had career seasons with the Avalanche. This past season, Evan Rodrigues also put up a career best in terms of points-per-game. It wasn't much better than his 2021-2022 season with Pittsburgh, but considering the consensus last off-season was that his 43 point effort with the Penguins was a fluke, it's worth noting that he improved on it with Colorado (even if it was ever-so-slightly).

With Drouin in particular, it's easy to see how he could increase his production next season. He scored at a 41 point pace last year, while only playing third line minutes (14:54). Additionally, he mostly played center - not his natural left wing position - in 2022-2023, with his most common line being him centering Josh Anderson and Mike Hoffman.

If we were in 2015 and Colorado went after a player with similar issues to Drouin, yeah, I'd be thinking "WTF". But over the past several years, the team has had an unrivaled amount of success with reclamation projects, with 0 goal Val Nichushkin being the poster boy. Until the Avalanche start missing on a bunch of these types of players, I'd say they've earned the benefit of the doubt.
 
Sounds like the same logic used to push Newhook/Erod/JTC into the #2C spot last year. Worked out pretty well from what I remember.
I mean, I guess you could say that.

Main difference being is that both RyJo and Colton have proven they can play center.
Drouin isn’t really out of position. He’s a winger.

This season, the players are slotted into the proper roles.

JTC and Newhook were both miscast. Both are not natural centres and both were playing way too high in the lineup. And worse is, they were playing the most important position.

Drouin, at wing, is a vastly different thing.
 
You guys worry too much. Unless your Compher, Bednar doesn't tolerate lazy bad play on the top 6. If JD faulters, he'll be hurled down to the 3rd line in a few games.
That’s because we hold ourselves to high standards over here, and Avs haven’t won the cup in a while. Need to get back to winning ways. We need the next 2 or 3 cups in a row.
 
I mean, I guess you could say that.

Main difference being is that both RyJo and Colton have proven they can play center.
Drouin isn’t really out of position. He’s a winger.

This season, the players are slotted into the proper roles.

JTC and Newhook were both miscast. Both are not natural centres and both were playing way too high in the lineup. And worse is, they were playing the most important position.

Drouin, at wing, is a vastly different thing.

No point responding to that clown. The Avs are clearly in a much better position heading into this season then they were last year.
 
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If Drouin doesn’t put up points, what else can he do?
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No point responding to that clown. The Avs are clearly in a much better position heading into this season then they were last year.
My “kerfuffle” today was 1 more than I’ve had in my entire 14 year posting history on this board. I’ve reached my limit.

I know @nammerus is the eternal pessimist on this board. To each their own on how they view things. I also know that he does see some good positives from this offseason.

I have no doubt if the Avs did bad moves, or less moves, or didn’t address the massive holes, he’d be here pounding the table significantly more often.

Just looking to have a rational convo with him.
 
I don’t know where all the negativity is coming from and why some folks here are not happy. This current Avs roster(even still incomplete) is much better than the last one. The only question mark is Drouin. I have very little to no concern for RyJo. I think he’s gonna have a big season for the Avs. Colton and Wood are gonna be solid 3rd liners. Cogs and LOC are gonna be Cogs and LOC. No worries about D and goaltending.

Get the season started I’m ready. Will be at the game for the opener in LA!!!
 
Colton >= Compher

- Colton will have a bigger impact for this team away from the puck then JTC ever did, as someone who has always praised JTCs game away from the puck. Colton will just be better, better pest, better two way play, much better forechecker, much better effort more consistently. And I highly suspect if Colton gets even close to the same amount of usage as Compher got for us, he will score way more goals and probably produce similar points. If Colton gets 15+ minutes at 5 on 5 a night and 20 minutes a game of ice time, I'd bet he scored 25G and 50+ points this year for us.


Drouin >= Newhook

- Again, every year of Drouins career in the NHL his PPG has been higher then Newhooks. Given that Newhook provides absolutely nothing for us away from the puck(Soft, poor forechecker, couldn't win board battles, not good defensively, etc.) even if Drouin ends up being the exact same in that regard(Which realistically there's a good chance that ends up the case, though not guaranteed either), he very likely will at least be a 40-45 point player for us which is better then Newhook ever provided us. Personally I really do think a 55-60 point seaason and some level of engagement away from the puck is going to happen with Drouin this year and he's going to end up being the best UFA signing for value of the summer.


Wood =< Rodrigues

- This is probably one matchup where we breakeven or get slightly worse. Though I do think Woods style of play will prove a better fit for our bottom 6. I highly doubt he's able to replicate the kind of ~40 point production we got from Rodrigues. I think realistically a good year from Wood would be ~30-35 points. If we can get 30+ points with his forechecking game being what it used to be again for us, I think that's a fair swap to ERod. If we dont get that production, probably a small loss here.


RyJo >> Literally nobody

- We literally dont have a comparable to RyJo on the roster from last year. We went the entire season without a legit 2C. So RyJo is a significant upgrade over literally nobody. Even if he ends up just being a 45 point player again for us, that's an upgrade over nothing. I gues you could say Lars Eller is the comparison here(LOL). Again, even if that is the comp, huge upgrade. And personally I think RyJo will be a 50-60 guy again with a small chance of even hitting 60-70. Especially if Mikko is on his wing, he's never played with a goal scorer that good before. Wouldn't be surprised at all to see him hit 20G and 45-50 Assists with Lehky and Mikko on his wings.


Jack Johnson > Erik Johnson

As sad as it is to say, this is very likely true. EJ was clearly on a rapid breakdown for us last year, and while JMFJ certainly isn't anything to right home about either. I think he at least last year proved to be the far more steady and reliable player of the two Johnsons for us. Now, both guys are old so its certainly possible JJ ends up breaking down quickly again next year, but I'd put money on him being an upgrade over EJ for us next year.




Then you've got wildcards basically. What can Sam Malinski potentially do when he gets action as that 3rd pairing PMD for us. I really think he's going to fit the style we play and the way Bednar asks his Dmen to play like a glove and will be great for us. But we do have to wait and see. Have our pro scouts "done it again" with Frederic Olofsson? Will they have churned out another solid bottom 6 forward out of nothing like they have before?


And, I still think they have 1 more move left in the tank. I think they'll grab a Top 9 forward for ~$1.5-2M once the dust has settled on all the trades/RFA signings around the league that needs to be made, Ross gets signed for us, and there's still ~9-10 UFA forwards sitting waiting on a contract.


My money is on that forward being Tatar. Which yes Tatar's playoff numbers are concerning, but the regular season is still very important for us and Tatar would be a phenomenal add to round out the Top 9 and give a much needed offensive threat to go along with Ross. Although I also wouldn't hate seeing them grab someone that can play Center, since at some point this year I want Ross to get a good look on Mackinnons wing, and when that happens they need a Center that can shift to 3C without turning the 3rd line into a weakness again. A few names that are still available that obviously make sense for such a role would be Toews, Suter, Sundqvist, Nosek, and Boqvist.


But ultimately yeah. I think even if the Avs dont make another move(Which I doubt), I think we're significant better prepared for this year then last year. Most importantly by far, we have real Center depth. JT2C is no more, and if an injury happens to RyJo, Ross Colton steps into the 2C spot and likely doesn't miss a beat. If Mack gets hurt while you certainly cant replace him, RyJo gives you a better shot at keeping our heads above water then JTC did.

If Drouin doesn’t put up points, what else can he do?
Basically nothing, but here's the thing. The guy he's replacing is Alex Newhook.

What did Newhook do if/when he wasn't putting up points? And every year of Drouins career, his PPG rate has been higher then both of Newhooks seasons with us. So at this point I at least trust Drouin to produce more offensively then Newhook did for us, even if it isn't much and he doesn't provide anything else just like Newhook.
 
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