Rumor: 2023-2024 Trade Rumors and Free Agency: Off-season is in full swing

[Tommy Shelby]

Why are some here confident we’ll sign Tatar? Has he been linked to us before?

There's like 2 posters who have a weird fixation on him, and bring him up all the time. Then there are others who just parrot it after seeing it for awhile. Patty Kane is in the same boat.

 

[CobraAcesS]

Why are some here confident we’ll sign Tatar? Has he been linked to us before?

I think they just like the sauce. I think it's disgusting.

There's like 2 posters who have a weird fixation on him, and bring him up all the time. Then there are others who just parrot it after seeing it for awhile. Patty Kane is in the same boat.

Hey.. Kane is a legit good idea if Drouin suxors.

 

[EdAVSfan]

There's like 2 posters who have a weird fixation on him, and bring him up all the time. Then there are others who just parrot it after seeing it for awhile. Patty Kane is in the same boat.

I have absolutely no idea if we’re even attempting to sign Tatar.

But after the first couple of days of UFA, add me to the list of people that thought Tatar would be a good acquisition for us.
Obviously, if he came cheap

 

[Foppa2118]

Minus Ryan Johansen's outlier season in 2022 (where he shot 22%, which is close to twice his career average), he’s barely averaging 40 points as season over the last 4 seasons. Take away Kadri’s outlier season (which is worlds better then any season Ryjo has ever even dreamt of), he’s still averaging 50-55 points over that same span.

Ryjo has been an absolute dog shit top 6 C for the last 4 years. It’s a huge disservice to Kadri to be compared to Ryjo.

There’s nothing to suggest over the last 4 years that Ryjo is anymore than a below average #2 pivot.

Johansen just scored 63 points a couple seasons ago. He's also two years younger than Naz.

Kadri has paced for 60+ points three times in his career and scored 60+ points twice. Johansen has both paced and scored 60+ six times.

Also, two of Kadri’s best seasons came with the Avs. Something Johansen hasn’t been able to benefit from yet.

Johansen's 26 goal 63 point season in 2022 wasn't even an outlier year. He's scored 63, 64, and 71 points before, and scored 26 and 33 goals before that too. He's clearly produced at a slightly higher rate than Naz in his career.

Kadri

2010-11: 34 pt pace
2011-12: 27 pt pace
2012-13: 75 pt pace (44 points)
2013-14: 53 pt pace
2014-15: 44 pt pace
2015-16: 49 pt pace
2016-17: 61 pt pace (61 points)
2017-18: 56 pt pace (55 points)
2018-19: 49 pt pace
2019-20: 58 pt pace (Avs)
2020-21: 47 pt pace (Avs)
2021-22: 100 pt pace (Avs) (87 points)
2022-23: 56 pt pace (56 points)

Johansen

2011-12: 26 pt pace
2012-13: 25 pt pace
2013-14: 63 pt pace (63 points)
2014-15: 71 pt pace (71 points)
2015-16: 62 pt pace (60 points)
2016-17: 61 pt pace (61 points)
2017-18: 56 pt pace
2018-19: 66 pt pace (64 points)
2019-20: 43 pt pace
2020-21: 38 pt pace
2021-22: 65 pt pace (63 points)
2022-23: 42 pt pace

 

[NorthernAvsFan]

Mikko would be an all star level centre but I still think he’s better as a winger so that’s where I want him. I want to put players in position where they can excel to the best of their abilities.

This is the same reason I hate the idea of Colton as our 3C. It’s not that I don’t think he can be a 3C. In fact I think he can be pretty damn good at it. What frustrates me though is that it will prevent him spending time doing the things that make him him (dominating the walls).

Yeah, this is a good point.

I think Colton is a good 3C, but you’re going to loose some of his crash and bang when he’s in that role, as opposed to the wing.

I suspect he’ll play both wing and centre this season. How much of each position probably depends on the Avs final move(s) of the off-season and who gets injured in-season.

 

[Avsboy]

I like putting Mack with Drouin and Lehk and Nuke-RyJo-Rantanen. That 2nd line is the beef line

 

[the_fan]

Shayna Goldman of the athletic keeps saying Colton will take over the 2C in Colorado. She really believes Ross has that in him

 

[CobraAcesS]

I like putting Mack with Drouin and Lehk and Nuke-RyJo-Rantanen. That 2nd line is the beef line

I think you gotta go with Bison , beef is moot in comparison.

Line 1 goes fast

Line 2 goes through

 

[Tommy Shelby]

Shayna Goldman of the athletic keeps saying Colton will take over the 2C in Colorado. She really believes Ross has that in him

I don't know about that, but he's definitely going to play LW in the top-6 after Drouin drives Bednar insane. He'll fill the Landeskog role of taking the off-hand faceoffs of MacK and RyJo.

Miles Wood, aka Bednar's anti-Drouin, is going to see some time in the top-6 too, so that will be fun.

 

[Miri]

So when is our final move happening?

In february/march :-D

 

[Foppa2118]

Personally, I don't think Mikko wants to play C.

Yeah I think this is mostly it. Also that Nate likes playing with Mikko at least sometimes as opposed to almost never with him at 2C.

I was pushing for Mikko at 2C for a long time, but the reality is he's just better at RW.

He's more comfortable at RW and if possible you don't want an elite player like Mikko on your team contributing 80-90% of what he's capable of, you want him contributing as close to 100% as possible.

 

[CobraAcesS]

I don't know about that, but he's definitely going to play LW in the top-6 after Drouin drives Bednar insane. He'll fill the Landeskog role of taking the off-hand faceoffs of MacK and RyJo.

Miles Wood, aka Bednar's anti-Drouin, is going to see some time in the top-6 too, so that will be fun.

Wait.. who was predicting him being good enough to be a 2C the other day, Balty or Pierce? It was one of them.

Talk about a bold prediction.

 

[Miri]

I don't know about that, but he's definitely going to play LW in the top-6 after Drouin drives Bednar insane. He'll fill the Landeskog role of taking the off-hand faceoffs of MacK and RyJo.

Miles Wood, aka Bednar's anti-Drouin, is going to see some time in the top-6 too, so that will be fun.

I hope Drouin and anti-Drouin wont make physical contact, as they would instantly annihilate and we would be 2 forwards down

 

[CobraAcesS]

Yeah I think this is mostly it. Also that Nate likes playing with Mikko at least sometimes as opposed to almost never with him at 2C.

I was pushing for Mikko at 2C for a long time, but the reality is he's just better at RW.

He's more comfortable at RW and if possible you don't want an elite player like Mikko on your team contributing 80-90% of what he's capable of, you want him contributing as close to 100% as possible.

Yeah, if he's only doing 80% he'd be doing 70% most of the time. Making Mikko's job harder isn't good.

He needs to save that energy so he can carry the team when we have injuries.

 

[lionsDen]

I think you gotta go with Bison , beef is moot in comparison.

Line 1 goes fast

Line 2 goes through

What about the Beefalo

 

[chet1926]

LOL the biggest hole in the lineup, as I'm sure you agreed before the Johansen trade, was 2C. Saying it's Landy just sounds like a way to shift goal posts and avoid giving credit to CMac for addressing the 2C role.

All I gather from this is that the reason you're so upset is that they weren't able to build the exact same team as the once in a generation Cup team that steamrolled through everyone. That shouldn't be the expectation every year.

They replaced a lot of the roles you and others were upset they didn't replace last year with good players, but apparently they still did a shitty job because they left a question mark at 4C or 3RW that they have plenty of time to fill if they need to.

Lol shifting goal posts???? Landy replacement wasn't on the radar last season since everyone was under the impression he was coming back at some point.

Now this offseason we know he isn't playing this year at all, so it became a problem. 2C fix was irrelevant to this new issue.

CMac addressed 2C, great. But did nothing about the new Landy hole. Essentially we just shifted the problem from 2C to 2W.

Bottom 6 still very much needs work as well.

 

[Avsboy]

I hope Drouin and anti-Drouin wont make physical contact, as they would instantly annihilate and we would be 2 forwards down

Converts to pure energy (two LOCs)

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

There’s no hope and no fixing the situation. Fold the franchise.

 

[the_fan]

Have we signed Kane Toews Tarasenko and Kessel yet?

 

[ljb4]

I hope Drouin and anti-Drouin wont make physical contact, as they would instantly annihilate and we would be 2 forwards down

Don't cross the streams!

 

[Avsboy]

Don't cross the streams!

Equal and opposite hard charge

 

[ABasin]

Lol shifting goal posts???? Landy replacement wasn't on the radar last season since everyone was under the impression he was coming back at some point.

Now this offseason we know he isn't playing this year at all, so it became a problem. 2C fix was irrelevant to this new issue.

CMac addressed 2C, great. But did nothing about the new Landy hole. Essentially we just shifted the problem from 2C to 2W.

Where did you see the cap space and/or the tradeable prospect pool to solve both of those problems?

If you stop for a moment and be both honest and reasonable about it, you'd see that they didn't exist. CMac couldn't solve both of those problems, so he solved the more important one.

 

[Avsboy]

Drouin is the fix. I think he’ll hit career highs

 

[EscapedGoat]

Lol shifting goal posts???? Landy replacement wasn't on the radar last season since everyone was under the impression he was coming back at some point.

Now this offseason we know he isn't playing this year at all, so it became a problem. 2C fix was irrelevant to this new issue.

CMac addressed 2C, great. But did nothing about the new Landy hole. Essentially we just shifted the problem from 2C to 2W.

Bottom 6 still very much needs work as well.

It must be exhausting being you.

 

[nammerus]

Johansen just scored 63 points a couple seasons ago. He's also two years younger than Naz.

Kadri has both scored and paced for 60+ points exactly three times in his career. Johansen has done both twice as much at six times each.

Also, two of Kadri’s best seasons came with the Avs. Something Johansen hasn’t been able to benefit from yet.

Johansen's 26 goal 63 point season in 2022 wasn't even an outlier year. He's scored 63, 64, and 71 points before, and scored 26 and 33 goals before that too. He's clearly produced at a slightly higher rate than Naz in his career.

Kadri

2010-11: 34 pt pace
2011-12: 27 pt pace
2012-13: 75 pt pace
2013-14: 53 pt pace
2014-15: 44 pt pace
2015-16: 49 pt pace
2016-17: 61 pt pace (61 points)
2017-18: 56 pt pace (55 points)
2018-19: 49 pt pace
2019-20: 58 pt pace (Avs)
2020-21: 47 pt pace (Avs)
2021-22: 100 pt pace (Avs) (87 points)
2022-23: 56 pt pace (56 points)

Johansen

2011-12: 26 pt pace
2012-13: 25 pt pace
2013-14: 63 pt pace (63 points)
2014-15: 71 pt pace (71 points)
2015-16: 62 pt pace (60 points)
2016-17: 61 pt pace (61 points)
2017-18: 56 pt pace
2018-19: 66 pt pace (64 points)
2019-20: 43 pt pace
2020-21: 38 pt pace
2021-22: 65 pt pace (63 points)
2022-23: 42 pt pace

Why do we care what Ryjo did 4-5 years ago? That’s not who we’re getting.

And is it something to be proud of that our number 2C averaged around 40-45 points a year over the last 4 years? That’s the feather in our cap?

Awesome. He’s not as terrible as JTC. Great bar the Avs have set for themselves considering they’re supposed to be competing for a cup.

Impressive stuff over the last 3 seasons from Ryjo from an analytics stand point too.