Rumor: 2023-2024 Trade Rumors and Free Agency: Off-season is in full swing

[LOFIN]

I guess it depends on what your definition of the window is?

If you think making the playoffs means the cup window is still open because of the idea that once you're in anything is possible, then yeah the Avs might get another ~4-5 years of a window.

The absolute best window for us to win is now over I think, with Byram coming off from his ELC. Yeah, MacKinnon is getting a huge raise but that's kinda offset by EJ coming off. I'm hopeful we can stay competitive like the Pens, Washington and Boston did. This requires that we keep the core of MacKinnon, Makar and Rantanen here.

Obviously no-one is untradeable, but you usually can't win by trading away a superstar. Trading away Mikko for complementary pieces and futures is not making the team better.

 

[Avs_19]

Public: Avs are the favourites to win it all.

HF Avs: Window is closed/closing; trade Mikko.

 

[pont]

Public: Avs are the favourites to win it all.

HF Avs: Window is closed/closing; trade Mikko.

I appreciate the brevity. It's refreshing.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

The absolute best window for us to win is now over I think, with Byram coming off from his ELC. Yeah, MacKinnon is getting a huge raise but that's kinda offset by EJ coming off. I'm hopeful we can stay competitive like the Pens, Washington and Boston did. This requires that we keep the core of MacKinnon, Makar and Rantanen here.

Obviously no-one is untradeable, but you usually can't win by trading away a superstar. Trading away Mikko for complementary pieces and futures is not making the team better.

They'll probably do this. But the thing is, is that really what we want to be doing.

You look at Pittsburgh and Washington in particular. They haven't really been competitive for quite a while now. The Caps had that one run where they managed to win the cup, but every single year since they've been a 1st round exit and completely missed this year.

Pittsburgh after winning back to back cups, have only won a single playoff round in the last 6 years, and missed the actual playoffs in 2 of those 6 years as well. But also keep in mind Pittsburgh had arguably the two best Centers/players in the entire league for the majority of those years. They're an exception to the rule, and even still they really do conform to the rule regardless. They haven't been a true contender for 3 or 4 years now.


IMO we're most comparable to a team like Chicago. They made playoffs 9 years in a row, won the cup in 3 of the first 7 years. In the final 2 years they were 1st round fodder again and then became a bubble team that missed the playoffs entirely for most of the years after that before finally starting a full tear down rebuild ~2 years ago.

So I guess the question is do you want to continue being playoff fodder for the real contenders to work through in 2-3 years time? Or would we rather recognize when the window is closed and get a good head start on a proper rebuild again.

Keep in mind the Avs themselves have made the playoffs 6 years in a row now. If we give them a window of 2 more years, that will mean 8 straight years of playoffs.


I just don't see how people can honestly think this group has much runway beyond the next 2 years. We're already the 3rd longest active playoff streak in the league tied with TBL. Only Boston and Toronto have longer streaks at 7 years each. I really don't think this team drafts anywhere near well enough to be a team that hits a 10+ year playoff streak. And again simply making playoffs doesn't make you a contender either, at least IMO.

 

[expatriatedtexan]

I know folks won't like it, but if you want to get the window open for longer, we'll have to inject younger high end talent. We'll have to aquire that via trade because if we are still competitive, we won't be picking top 10. Identify the piece that you are willing to give up and then go get that young talent. I was hoping we could do that with Toews this summer and get a Hayton type 2C who is young and cheap and still getting better. Maybe getting young talent is something a Rantanen trade gets that a Toews trade doesn't? I'm not sure, but I do know I'd be pretty pissed if CMac and Joe weren't looking at all options moving forward.

At the end of the day, all I really hope for is that when it is all said and done, they do the right thing and start the next rebuild on time with a proper dismantling. Ideally, you could talk some of the guys still under contract at that point into wanting to move on for a nice trade return. It just always seems that teams take like 3-5 years too long to commit to a rebuild.

 

[Balthazar]

I know folks won't like it, but if you want to get the window open for longer, we'll have to inject younger high end talent.

It's possible to make another run later with Mack and Makar, similar to Doughty and Kopitar with LA.

But to achieve this Avs will have to drop 30 year olds for top picks and prospects. If they stick long term with Rants, Toews, Nuke and Lehky (and Landy if he's not done) we're becoming just the Caps/Pens/Hawks/Bolts post cups...when they are/were trying to win with old overpaid players.

 

[CobraAcesS]

It's possible to make another run later with Mack and Makar, similar to Doughty and Kopitar with LA.

But to achieve this Avs will have to drop 30 year olds for top picks and prospects. If they stick long term with Rants, Toews, Nuke and Lehky (and Landy if he's not done) we're becoming just the Caps/Pens/Hawks/Bolts post cups...when they are/were trying to win with old overpaid players.

Mikko will age better than Mack I think.

 

[UncleRisto]

Mikko will age better than Mack I think.

Build around MacK-Rantanen/Byram-Makar and move around the rest of it when the time comes.

 

[CobraAcesS]

Build around MacK-Rantanen/Byram-Makar and move around the rest of it when the time comes.

Yeah, assuming Byram becomes a core player.

We can always tank a year or two and send a couple of them on LTIR vacation each year to get a new 2C on an ELC.

Nuke will also turn into Robo Cop at some point between the broken bones and organ transplants he'll need.

 

[The Moops]

Nuke will also turn into Robo Cop at some point between the broken bones and organ transplants he'll need.

Doesn't coke have some kind of healing properties?

 

[niwotsblessing]

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

I know folks won't like it, but if you want to get the window open for longer, we'll have to inject younger high end talent. We'll have to aquire that via trade because if we are still competitive, we won't be picking top 10. Identify the piece that you are willing to give up and then go get that young talent. I was hoping we could do that with Toews this summer and get a Hayton type 2C who is young and cheap and still getting better. Maybe getting young talent is something a Rantanen trade gets that a Toews trade doesn't? I'm not sure, but I do know I'd be pretty pissed if CMac and Joe weren't looking at all options moving forward.

At the end of the day, all I really hope for is that when it is all said and done, they do the right thing and start the next rebuild on time with a proper dismantling. Ideally, you could talk some of the guys still under contract at that point into wanting to move on for a nice trade return. It just always seems that teams take like 3-5 years too long to commit to a rebuild.

They really needed to draft that talent tbh. Teams don't tend to give up young core level players and if they're moving one, it's probably a sign that they aren't actually going to end up being core level(Case in point Alex Newhook).


They really could have used hitting on that Olausson pick for example. Mind you it's still early for the 2021 draft and maybe Olausson surprises us and it's not like guys drafted after him have taken off or anything either. But at this point he's looking dangerously like a complete bust which is just really not at all what we need right now out of one of our only 1st round picks left in the system.

Same thing with all of our picks over the last 5-6 years quite frankly. Getting zero NHLers for us really hurts. At least they were able to use a couple of those picks in trades that helped us win a cup. But having picks like Beaucage, Mutala, Ranta, and going back even further to the likes of Beaudin and Meloche... Having nothing to show for all those picks only makes it even harder to remain a contender now. That's where good drafting teams continue to find depth to supplement the core or even slowly replace the core. We simply have nothing in that department.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

Kevin Weekes' Twitter account got hacked

Nah bro It’s legit. All I had to do was send him $1000, my credit card info, my social insurance number and a picture of my bird and he said the two MacBooks should arrive by the end of the week!

 

[Avs9296]

Nah bro It’s legit. All I had to do was send him $1000, my credit card info, my social insurance number and a picture of my bird and he said the two MacBooks should arrive by the end of the week!

Unless I see his big forehead in his tweet I won't believe it's him.

 

[chet1926]

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I'm convinced that Forsberg could still put up points in the NHL, if you take away the injuries. The guy reads the game better than anyone I've ever seen, and is one if the toughest competitors out there.

 

[sethro109]

I gladly take RyJo and Colton over Compher and Newhook.

 

[niwotsblessing]

I gladly take RyJo and Colton over Compher and Newhook.

CMac is a genius.

 

[Linds]

and why not exchange Rantanen? You will tell me that he is too important or too good for that. If it is so good the return will be very interesting? A rangers fan offered me Chytil-Lafreniere or Kakko- K'Andre Miller and 1st against Rantanen and Toews. What do you think?what your proposition?

So a 3C and a bust for a top 3 RW in the game And a top paring defender

 

[Tommy Shelby]

So with Colton's 4M, MacDermid not being on the opening night roster, and Pavel as 4C, we have 2.9M to grab a 3RW and a 6/7 D. That's plenty of money. We could even keep Pavel in the minors and add Nosek for 1x1.2M and still have over 2M left over to get those late summer bargain deals of ~1x1M

 

[Balthazar]

 

[thedoctor]

So with Colton's 4M, MacDermid not being on the opening night roster, and Pavel as 4C, we have 2.9M to grab a 3RW and a 6/7 D. That's plenty of money. We could even keep Pavel in the minors and add Nosek for 1x1.2M and still have over 2M left over to get those late summer bargain deals of ~1x1M

while I could not agree on the idea of burying him more, MacDermid will be on the opening night roster.

I still like Pius Suter and Nosek as prove it types. If they came at a pair of cup hunting 1y x 1M deals, you can't tell me you wouldn't want Kane and Toews.

 

[Balthazar]

from dailyfaceoffs...

If those are the D pairings let's just say that Girard playing on the right side and next to JJ isn't in a position to succeed.

On the other hand, we have 4 LD's so it's either him, JJ or Byram on the right side...so we all know it's going to be G.

 

[expatriatedtexan]

I'm beginning to wonder how I survived back when we sucked and didn't even make the playoffs, because I'm actually jonesing for hockey and am already impatient for the beginning of training camp.

I'm probably going to break down and buy NHL23 just so I can sim the new players on the team out of boredom.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

So with Colton's 4M, MacDermid not being on the opening night roster, and Pavel as 4C, we have 2.9M to grab a 3RW and a 6/7 D. That's plenty of money. We could even keep Pavel in the minors and add Nosek for 1x1.2M and still have over 2M left over to get those late summer bargain deals of ~1x1M

I think they make one more add despite having room for 2.

Reason being, I think they will want to keep space for injuries during the year(That's a lot trickier to manage when using LTIR vs using banked cap space) and hopefully to leave some room for the trade deadline moves.


Unless they make a trade, I think they'll add one more Top 9 winger for $1-2M, so LOC starts on the 4th line, and that's it.

 

[BrickNHL]

while I could not agree on the idea of burying him more, MacDermid will be on the opening night roster.

I still like Pius Suter and Nosek as prove it types. If they came at a pair of cup hunting 1y x 1M deals, you can't tell me you wouldn't want Kane and Toews.

I would love those two as well. Tomas Tatar would be nice if he wasn’t so useless in the playoffs