Rumor: 2023-2024 Trade Rumors and Free Agency: Off-season is in full swing

[EdAVSfan]

They are not many good players in our price range left. The names mentioned here have pretty much all been signed. And we have barely any cap space until we make some.

Sorry, I don't share the optimism. Being slightly better than last year is not close to be enough.

Well perhaps you have a tremendous amount of knowledge with regards to all of the players available.

Personally, I don’t have the time to watch all of these guys. So I don’t know who a good fit is.
People bemoaned the Helm signing the year they won the cup. The Avs pro scouting have been excellent at identifying good players who are perhaps not necessarily big, known names, but who fit well within the team.

This isn’t about optimism or pessimism.

But, you’re able to somehow conclude that we are « slightly better ». Explain it to me. We have NO IDEA what to expect from Drouin, RyJo, Colton, Wood. How can there be any type of conclusion drawn when we don’t know what to expect from a bunch of players who have never played on our team, our style, our capacity to drive offense from its defense.

I don’t know if we’re better or worse.

I have optimism because I’m a way, I feel like every player is in the right spot for where they should be. No one is really playing way above where they should. Last season we had 2 of the most important positions, 2C and 3C being played by guys who should not be in those spots. Even with optimism, we could be worse, or we could be amazing.

Lastly, we currently have 6.8M in cap space. It likely means we have somewhere in the range 2.5-3M. All the guys now are currently signing minimum contracts.

Who are the players that we missed out on that have been signed recently that take us from « slightly better » to « significantly better »??

 

[LOFIN]

CMac may be only able to get a one year deal with Colton, which will walk him right into UFA status. Players (and their agents) do not seem like they want to give up flexibility with the expected cap increase coming next summer. His agent also represents William Nylander.

Toronto situation is unique and doesn't really have anything to do with us.

The only person to blame...

Kyle Dubas f***ed the NHL.

Yes but also no. I think all the problems Toronto has had can be rooted to signing John Tavares. And while it was Dubas that signed him, I don't think it would've mattered if Lou was the GM or someone else. They were going to sign Tavares, that order probably came above Shanny, from MLSE.

 

[Goulet17]

Toronto situation is unique and doesn't really have anything to do with us.

I didn't suggest that it did.

 

[expatriatedtexan]

They’ll probably have no other choice but to trade Girard. Toews contract is up next year, Mikko is up the following year. If Mikko has another 50+ goal and 100 point season, what the hell is he gonna cost? They’re not gonna resign him to another 9 mill contract. It’s gonna be 10 to 11 mill at least

Mikko was one of the first RFAs to get PAID. It would be nice if he turned around and did us a solid in UFA. I'm not asking for the moon. Just don't go asking for 12+, eh?

They are not many good players in our price range left. The names mentioned here have pretty much all been signed. And we have barely any cap space until we make some.

Sorry, I don't share the optimism. Being slightly better than last year is not close to be enough.

I wish you could share it, I've been on both sides. I know which I prefer, but as you said, you need something more than being slightly better than last year.

I actually *think* we are better than last year. As much shit as I give RyJo, he is a second line center in today's NHL. Whether or not, that translates to a Stanley Cup Second Line Center, is to be determined. If we get healthy and most importantly, mentally centered, this could be a damn good season. Lots of bad taste in the mouth for everyone after last season's quick exit. There will be conversations had, if not already. There will be people with things to prove again.

I also think our bottom six is much better off for starting to develop some sort of identity to it now. Last season it was ERod, JTC, Newhook and whatever sticks. Those three guys couldn't even make a competent line together, but they were considered the best of our bottom six. At least we got players this summer that can play a bottom six game. That actually might prove to be even a bigger difference than getting RyJo, because having a third and fourth line the coach trusts....that only happened in our stanley cup season. But you need that in order to give your horses some breathing room.

 

[the_fan]

Mikko was one of the first RFAs to get PAID. It would be nice if he turned around and did us a solid in UFA. I'm not asking for the moon. Just don't go asking for 12+, eh?

If he keeps scoring 50 goals and 100 points, he’ll be worth 12 mill, but hopefully he’ll take a discount go for 10 or 11

 

[Tommy Shelby]

Mikko was one of the first RFAs to get PAID. It would be nice if he turned around and did us a solid in UFA. I'm not asking for the moon. Just don't go asking for 12+, eh?

The good but bad part is, he's the best player from that 2015 draft after McDavid so he's gonna get paid big time. We struck gold, but at what cost?

 

[the_fan]

Hopefully the cap will be at 90 mill or more by the time Mikko is up for a new contract. It’s probably gonna be 90+. Its jumping to 88 or so in 2024-2025 season, so the following year it should go up to close to 95

 

[Grigowski]

but hopefully he’ll take a discount go for 10 or 11

He will not. Mikko´s new contract start with a 12. Book it.

 

[The Kingslayer]

He will not. Mikko´s new contract start with a 12. Book it.

How much is Mackinnon getting paid right now? Mikko will take a mill less than that.

 

[LOFIN]

He will not. Mikko´s new contract start with a 12. Book it.

Yup. The Pastrnak number of 11.25 is the starting point, and the cap is going up exactly when he's eligible.

How much is Mackinnon getting paid right now? Mikko will take a mill less than that.

He'll sign for less than MacKinnon, but not that much I think. I think the number will between Pastrnaks 11.25 and MacKinnon 12.6

 

[0BGYN Kenobi]

If GMs know that the cap will be jumping by large amounts in the coming years, you know that the players and their agents will also be very aware of it. It wouldn't surprise me if we see a lot of high profile UFAs take fat 1-3 year contracts over the next few years, then cash in again as the cap jumps.
I could see Mikko asking for more than Mack. Maybe he even gets the same contract, like our version of Kane/Toews

 

[Brett44]

and why not exchange Rantanen? You will tell me that he is too important or too good for that. If it is so good the return will be very interesting? A rangers fan offered me Chytil-Lafreniere or Kakko- K'Andre Miller and 1st against Rantanen and Toews. What do you think?what your proposition?

 

[Grigowski]

and why not exchange Rantanen? You will tell me that he is too important or too good for that. If it is so good the return will be very interesting? A rangers fan offered me Chytil-Lafreniere or Kakko- K'Andre Miller and 1st against Rantanen and Toews. What do you think?what your proposition?

Jesus Christ. A little bit early for that, hmm?

 

[Brett44]

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Jesus Christ. A little bit early for that, hmm?

with an exchange like this, we make sure to optimize the presence of Mackinnon and Makar and all others with long term contract.

 

[LOFIN]

and why not exchange Rantanen? You will tell me that he is too important or too good for that. If it is so good the return will be very interesting? A rangers fan offered me Chytil-Lafreniere or Kakko- K'Andre Miller and 1st against Rantanen and Toews. What do you think?what your proposition?

Wow, absolutely f***ing not. You don't trade Rantanen, unless he makes it clear you can not re-sign him.

 

[Brett44]

Wow, absolutely f***ing not. You don't trade Rantanen, unless he makes it clear you can not re-sign him.

don't get emotional. In 4 years having 3 players with contracts of 12.6, 13 and 15 Million we would prevent us from having the depth necessary to win another cup.

 

[sethro109]

don't get emotional. In 4 years having 3 players with contracts of 12.6, 13 and 15 Million we would prevent us from having the depth necessary to win another cup.

We need to pay MacK, Mikko and Makar. Those are the 3 Cogs of this team. Everyone else is expendable. Be it Toews, Girard, Bo or Nuke. Some will be moved to fit those three in. You don't trade core guys in their prime unless they demand so.

 

[LOFIN]

don't get emotional. In 4 years having 3 players with contracts of 12.6, 13 and 15 Million we would prevent us from having the depth necessary to win another cup.

If you move Rantanen, there better be another star player coming back, multiple 1sts or a great prospect. These guys don't get traded, we are talking about arguably top-3 winger in the game. A legit play driving, goal scoring power forward.

Kakko would fit the bill if he was still in his D+1 year. Not at this moment, he needs to break out first.

 

[0BGYN Kenobi]

I'd trade Rantanen for Keller. Rants can get a blank check contract, and Keller gets the opportunity to win

 

[Metallo]

Mikko was one of the first RFAs to get PAID. It would be nice if he turned around and did us a solid in UFA. I'm not asking for the moon. Just don't go asking for 12+, eh?


I wish you could share it, I've been on both sides. I know which I prefer, but as you said, you need something more than being slightly better than last year.

I actually *think* we are better than last year. As much shit as I give RyJo, he is a second line center in today's NHL. Whether or not, that translates to a Stanley Cup Second Line Center, is to be determined. If we get healthy and most importantly, mentally centered, this could be a damn good season. Lots of bad taste in the mouth for everyone after last season's quick exit. There will be conversations had, if not already. There will be people with things to prove again.

I also think our bottom six is much better off for starting to develop some sort of identity to it now. Last season it was ERod, JTC, Newhook and whatever sticks. Those three guys couldn't even make a competent line together, but they were considered the best of our bottom six. At least we got players this summer that can play a bottom six game. That actually might prove to be even a bigger difference than getting RyJo, because having a third and fourth line the coach trusts....that only happened in our stanley cup season. But you need that in order to give your horses some breathing room.

I highly doubt Bednar would trust Meyers as the 4C. Our depth still needs work, not to mention that we have Drouin penciled in the top-6 which could be a disaster.

3RW, 4C, and 6D are still holes IMO.

 

[niwotsblessing]

If Rantanen is traded the return needs to look like what the Nordiques got for Eric Lindros- nothing less. Mind you the best player in that deal was Foppa.

 

[TruePowerSlave]

If the price is right anyone can be traded

I highly doubt Bednar would trust Meyers as the 4C. Our depth still needs work, not to mention that we have Drouin penciled in the top-6 which could be a disaster.

3RW, 4C, and 6D are still holes IMO.

Question mark #2C. Drouin in the top six. No 3rd line RW or 4th line C.

The offense needs a lot of work.

 

[Murzu]

Good mid six winger (TDL?), true 4C and bottom pairing RD. Then we're favorites again.

 

[Bender]

The thing with Rantanen is that he's already making $9.25 against the cap right now - so even if he wants $12M per year - it's just a $2.75M increase per year. Hopefully, the increase in cap will help as should the departure of some vets for some young talent on ELC (Ryjo -> Ritchie potentially).

I'm not too worried about him since he secured his BFF beyond his current contract - mouhahahahahahaha !!!

 

[RoyIsALegend]

I'd trade Rantanen for Keller. Rants can get a blank check contract, and Keller gets the opportunity to win