Boston Bruins 2023-2024 Roster & Salary Cap Discussion IV

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For those who are into the analytical side of the coin, what does he bring that we're not seeing with the eye test?
You shouldn't need numbers to see what he does well. He's a pitchback. Pucks do not stay in the Bruins zone when he's on the ice.

It's the same thing Keith did to the Bruins in 2013, and it was infuriating.

That said, I'm more than ready to move on from Grzelcyk. He wasn't a disaster against the Panthers, but he wasn't bringing enough to the table when he wasn't sitting upstairs.
 
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You shouldn't need numbers to see what he does well. He's a pitchback. Pucks do not stay in the Bruins zone when he's on the ice.

It's the same thing Keith did to the Bruins in 2013, and it was infuriating.

That said, I'm more than ready to move on from Grzelcyk. He wasn't a disaster against the Panthers, but he wasn't bringing enough to the table when he wasn't sitting upstairs.
But he's a minus machine in the post season. It's pretty much the exact opposite of the regular season?

Him breaking the puck out should translate into more offense, no?
 
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I think the point is more than he's fine for a 3.6M player. You won't typically get a decent #4 for that price anymore, and he's that at a minimum.

At 5+M he's not on the team anymore, he'd have been considered an anchor of a contract. He's probably played himself off the team anyway. They won't renew.
If you are a top 4 on any NHL team as a D-man . Should you not at least be on the second unit of either the PK or the PP ????
 
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But he's a minus machine in the post season. It's pretty much the exact opposite of the regular season?

Him breaking the puck out should translate into more offense, no?
Two of his minuses last playoffs were the Bertuzzi pizza when he was over by the other bench and the Ullmark blunder.

We’ve done this Grizz thing a thousand times. Everything that can be said has been said.
 
Two of his minuses last playoffs were the Bertuzzi pizza when he was over by the other bench and the Ullmark blunder.

We’ve done this Grizz thing a thousand times. Everything that can be said has been said.
So then he's -17 in 63 playoff games with next to no offensive production.

He does a complete 180 from regular season to post season.
 
So then he's -17 in 63 playoff games with next to no offensive production.

He does a complete 180 from regular season to post season.
If you want to use plus minus to evaluate a player then you’ll never be wrong here. I can - again - show all the other stats about Grizz in the playoffs but would anything change your mind anyway?
 
If you want to use plus minus to evaluate a player then you’ll never be wrong here. I can - again - show all the other stats about Grizz in the playoffs but would anything change your mind anyway?
Why does he go from being a hugely positive player in the regular season to a hugely negative come playoffs? I mean, It's completely night and day. Does the intensity and physicality of the game cause him to appear in over his head?

Shouldn't him getting the puck out of his own end "at a high level" translate into point production?

When I look at his production, it leaves a lot to be desired.
 
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Why does he go from being a hugely positive player in the regular season to a hugely negative come playoffs? I mean, It's completely night and day. Does the intensity and physicality of the game cause him to appear in over his head?

Shouldn't him getting the puck out of his own end "at a high level" translate into point production?

When I look at his production, it leaves a lot to be desired.
So no then. Got it.
 
But he's a minus machine in the post season. It's pretty much the exact opposite of the regular season?

Him breaking the puck out should translate into more offense, no?

Theoretically, yes. But like Forbort, he's a specialist - he's elite at getting the puck out with wheels or a pass. Using analytics or the eye test, there are few better in the league than Gryz at getting the puck and moving it to attack. But he has skill limitations that prevent him from being a serious threat to be a high end point producer.


In the post season when the ice gets smaller, he does get exposed and I think that's why the Bruins white whale in recent memory is to find a LHD with size who has the skill to play those heavy postseason minutes with McAvoy.
 
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Theoretically, yes. But like Forbort, he's a specialist - he's elite at getting the puck out with wheels or a pass. Using analytics or the eye test, there are few better in the league than Gryz at getting the puck and moving it to attack. But he has skill limitations that prevent him from being a serious threat to be a high end point producer.


In the post season when the ice gets smaller, he does get exposed and I think that's why the Bruins white whale in recent memory is to find a LHD with size who has the skill to play those heavy postseason minutes with McAvoy.
For sure. I agree, I think he's a very good skating d-man and does make the smart play more often than not, but watching him play from October-April is COMPLETELY different than watching him play from April on. I just feel like when the game gets more high energy and teams are more in his face that he kind of falters.
 
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The condescending remarks about the team having 1 loss shoved at me because I said I wanted Lucic back.

This was what you said:

"I do believe this team plays a bit bigger and tougher when you have the toughest guy in the NHL on your 4th line, though. This guy can't come back soon enough for me."

I would take the response to that as being, how much better can they be?

Really don't see it as condesending. And its certainly understandable.

That, or rather you feel its more important to play tougher. And I get that. I'm sure there are Bruins fans that would rather have a tougher team that doesn't win as much. Something to be said for the aesthetics of toughness, which many of of us as Bruins fans aprreciate more because of the team's history in that reagard.
 
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Why people respond with useless, condescending and false garbage.

12-1-2 is not false garbage. Its reality.

Not everyone thinks it was condesending. Though I'd say the majority of posters here frequently use condescension in their posts. Like perhaps: "It is that simple, but people twist it into something else to support their strange, obsessive narrative".
 
12-1-2 is not false garbage. Its reality.

Not everyone thinks it was condesending. Though I'd say the majority of posters here frequently use condescension in their posts. Like perhaps: "It is that simple, but people twist it into something else to support their strange, obsessive narrative".

Pretty sure we were asked to drop this, do your part
 
IMO, this team still needs a top6 forward.

I think their record is masking that fact. We all know our goalies have been the MVP's but it's more than that. We're 20th in the league in shot attempts for/against. That means we generally get outplayed. Letting goalies steal games is fine during the regular season, but what happens in the playoffs when the other goalies are just as hot? Now you're getting outplayed and your biggest advantage has been neutralized.

They need 1 more guy to make the top6 work.

I'm back and forth on that, not so much the need for a top 6 player but which position ( center/wing ). I feel like Zacha, Coyle, and Poitras are handling things just fine but a move for Hertl would make the Bruins top line really dynamic with him at center and Zacha moving back to the wing. Just not sure how the Bruins make it happen.
 
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EL strikes me as kind of blah, felt that about him in Carolina on the way up too. Have a suspicion he is on his way down despite his relatively young age. He seems like he is very much a reflection of the team around him. That's good in our case, and I would encourage the Bruins to pursue him, but only because I do not think a better 2c will be available. Buyer beware here. I think the Bruins might be better off with someone older but more dynamic that might shake loose. Who knows if that will happen?
 
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There was no knock on Chara. He was the most coveted free agent talent that year by far. He very well may be the best free agent signing in the history of the league.
My bad, I meant when he was traded from the Island to Ottawa....must have been a knock on him at that point in time.
 
I truly can't wait til Zadorov gets traded so we can stop f***ing talking about him.
 
32 Thoughts: The Podcast at 43:00

Elliotte Friedman thinks the Bruins may try to lock up Swayman.
“I wouldn’t be surprised at all if Boston tries to get Swayman done too because he’s on a one-year deal, and he can extend on January 1st, so I’m curious about that,” Friedman opined to Marek. “The way he’s started this year, how well he’s played, how well they’re going, it would not surprise me at all if the Bruins are looking at that as well.”
 
IMO, this team still needs a top6 forward.

I think their record is masking that fact. We all know our goalies have been the MVP's but it's more than that. We're 20th in the league in shot attempts for/against. That means we generally get outplayed. Letting goalies steal games is fine during the regular season, but what happens in the playoffs when the other goalies are just as hot? Now you're getting outplayed and your biggest advantage has been neutralized.

They need 1 more guy to make the top6 work.
I will not dispute that ,I have been saying that for awhile now, I also think they need a d-man, I am just glad so far Sweeney has avoided the temptation to over pay for a centerman that everyone is screaming for, stand Donnie, stand down.
I'm back and forth on that, not so much the need for a top 6 player but which position ( center/wing ). I feel like Zacha, Coyle, and Poitras are handling things just fine but a move for Hertl would make the Bruins top line really dynamic with him at center and Zacha moving back to the wing. Just not sure how the Bruins make it happen.
I like Hertl, just think he would be too costly to land. But should that ever happen I I would not move Zacha out of the center position.
 
My bad, I meant when he was traded from the Island to Ottawa....must have been a knock on him at that point in time.
Actually, my understanding, according to Mike milbury is that owner charles wong insisted on that trade. I don't know how true that is, but whatever you think of Mike milbury, he's a straight shooter.

As for ottawa They chose Wade Redden over Chara. And Z said I'm out of here. Redden was later demoted to their AHL affiliate to hide cap space or something.
EL strikes me as kind of blah, felt that bout him in Carolina on the way up too. Have a suspicion he is on his way down despite his relatively young age. He seems like he is very much a reflection of the team around him. That's good in our case, and I would encourage the Bruins to pursue him, but only because I do not think a better 2c will be available. Buyer beware here. I think the Bruins might be better off with someone older but more dynamic that might shake loose. Who knows if that will happen?

I'm not sure, but I am certain of one thing. Claude Julien was the coach of the Boston Bruins.

Thank you for the correction.

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