Boston Bruins 2023-2024 Roster & Salary Cap Discussion IV

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You just can’t have two lumbering defensemen who can’t clear the puck in the lineup at the same time. Not our system. And moving Forbort up the lineup is a horrible idea
What is the reasoning behind this - that you cannot have two large Dmen in the lineup at once but can have 4 passive Dmen? I get everyone has a preference on how to build a team, but to say something CANT work seems a bit over the top here.

The one skillset this D is flush with is puck moving dmen....I don't understand the logic behind having to move out a similar player to make room for Zadorov, when they can move Gryz and replace him with a similar skillset in Lohrei, while adding another dimension to their D in Zadorov - but of course this is my preference to team building as I like a good balance in skills both for forwards and D.

They can easily rotate out Forbort/Shatty/Zadorov as needed and now add a guy who has played both LD and RD, has a hard shot and can be physical.

I also question how much of Zadorovs poor underlying defensive stats are because of his skill and how much are due to: playing for a non-playoff team, playing for a new coach 3 times in the past 4 seasons, much like Lindholms were awful before he came here. With the solid defensive structure instilled in the players here, why can't Zadorov see an improvement in his play?

Now if they can pull off Zadorov for Forbort type deal that's fine too, but I think these two can coexist on an NHL team and still be fine.
 
Julien? His very first pre-season there were 11 fights in 8 games.

Yup, that Julien. I wasn't in that camp but there was a debate on it here because to some, Bruins were letting too much stuff go and those fans were wondering why.
 
The “us vs them” mentality being less in todays game is def a real factor - hell, there were stories about how Mitch Marner, during a playoff game no less, was talking to the opposition about call of duty gaming, for chrissake

Embarrassing
 
Yup, that Julien. I wasn't in that camp but there was a debate on it here because to some, Bruins were letting too much stuff go and those fans were wondering why.

I don't remember it that way, but I wasn't on here at the time. My only feeling about that pre-season was thank God Lewis is gone, because Claude took the reins off and let them go berserker on the rest of the league.
 
The “us vs them” mentality being less in todays game is def a real factor - hell, there were stories about how Mitch Marner, during a playoff game no less, was talking to the opposition about call of duty gaming, for chrissake

Embarrassing
That's awful.

Some of the things my friend who works for a junior team tells me about the kids these days (God I sound old), really makes me think the competitive nature of many younger people is not as intense as it used to be.
 
Last I'll say that sums up my point of view which has been said before... I'd rather be the hammer than the nail. For most of 100 years this has been true to the Bruins DNA. Hammer doesn't always mean Goons.
 
What is the reasoning behind this - that you cannot have two large Dmen in the lineup at once but can have 4 passive Dmen? I get everyone has a preference on how to build a team, but to say something CANT work seems a bit over the top here.

The one skillset this D is flush with is puck moving dmen....I don't understand the logic behind having to move out a similar player to make room for Zadorov, when they can move Gryz and replace him with a similar skillset in Lohrei, while adding another dimension to their D in Zadorov - but of course this is my preference to team building as I like a good balance in skills both for forwards and D.

They can easily rotate out Forbort/Shatty/Zadorov as needed and now add a guy who has played both LD and RD, has a hard shot and can be physical.

I also question how much of Zadorovs poor underlying defensive stats are because of his skill and how much are due to: playing for a non-playoff team, playing for a new coach 3 times in the past 4 seasons, much like Lindholms were awful before he came here. With the solid defensive structure instilled in the players here, why can't Zadorov see an improvement in his play?

Now if they can pull off Zadorov for Forbort type deal that's fine too, but I think these two can coexist on an NHL team and still be fine.
You already have Carlo who is better than anyone we’re talking about but isn’t pushing things up ice. So you’re either playing one of Zadorov or Forbort with Carlo, or you’re playing one of them top pair with McAvoy. Objectively that’s a bad idea - since we’re talking about Derek Forbort and Zadorov. Two third pair defenseman by any possible eye test or analytic or anything.
 

Once he clears the bruins will have 11 forwards on the roster. Steen will probably get called up again to be the 12th, who comes with him to be the extra? Anyone in providence been playing well enough to warrant a call up? Or maybe Geekie is ahead of schedule?
 
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Once he clears the bruins will have 11 forwards on the roster. Steen will probably get called up again to be the 12th, who comes with him to be the extra? Anyone in providence been playing well enough to warrant a call up? Or maybe Geekie is ahead of schedule?
Wonder if it’s just some cap stuff/paper transactions. I doubt they call any of the young guys up to sit in the press box.
 
Wonder if it’s just some cap stuff/paper transactions. I doubt they call any of the young guys up to sit in the press box.
If it's just a paper transaction why not send him down with Steen and Mitchell though? Surely if there's any benefit to sending him down and then recalling him tomorrow, they'd get that x2 if they had sent him down yesterday. This cap stuff makes my brain hurt to think about.
 
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Saw this on the main board, but apparently there's an unconfirmed rumor in Calgary that Zadorov's ask on his new contract was over 5mil AAV with term. Can we all at least agree that if that's actually true we shouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole?
Yeah most definitely that's too much, he'll get it in UFA too
 
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You already have Carlo who is better than anyone we’re talking about but isn’t pushing things up ice. So you’re either playing one of Zadorov or Forbort with Carlo, or you’re playing one of them top pair with McAvoy. Objectively that’s a bad idea - since we’re talking about Derek Forbort and Zadorov. Two third pair defenseman by any possible eye test or analytic or anything.
I dont know... you're maybe right that it won't work, but I don't really know how you can so confidently say so without ever seeing these guys together. Guys have chemistry when you least expect it and elevate each other's games. I could see a Zadorov-Mac/Carlo pairing working well.

I think a gryz for zadorov trade balances the D a bit better while having an eye for the future with Lohrei slotting in....but the price tag for a Zadorov re-signing likely backs the Bruins away from him anyway.
 
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I said it would be nice to see the Bruins take a number and give it back, especially when the game was out of reach and the Sabres were still running around. I also never said the hits weren't clean.

I wasn't a fan of Pastrnak dangerously getting horse collared and tossed to the ice from behind. People get confused with me saying it would be nice to see the Bruins give it back when their guys get run with "They need to fight everyone" which is completely to the extreme of my point.

People are saying it would be nice to see some push back, but it gets completely overblown by false accusations of wanting the team to go full goon. No one is saying that at all.

It's pretty much that simple.
Literally, someone said they should go full goon in the GDT, but I hear what you're saying. Fwiw, I thought they should have responded to the Pasta thing, not the Marchand hit.
 
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I dont know... you're maybe right that it won't work, but I don't really know how you can so confidently say so without ever seeing these guys together. Guys have chemistry when you least expect it and elevate each other's games. I could see a Zadorov-Mac/Carlo pairing working well.

I think a gryz for zadorov trade balances the D a bit better while having an eye for the future with Lohrei slotting in....but the price tag for a Zadorov re-signing likely backs the Bruins away from him anyway.
I mean, Zadorov in the top 4 playing the absolute toughest defensive assignments - which is what Carlo gets (with Lindholm now) is just something he’s never done in his entire career. But sure I guess anything is possible.
 
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You just can’t have two lumbering defensemen who can’t clear the puck in the lineup at the same time. Not our system. And moving Forbort up the lineup is a horrible id

What is the reasoning behind this - that you cannot have two large Dmen in the lineup at once but can have 4 passive Dmen? I get everyone has a preference on how to build a team, but to say something CANT work seems a bit over the top here.

The one skillset this D is flush with is puck moving dmen....I don't understand the logic behind having to move out a similar player to make room for Zadorov, when they can move Gryz and replace him with a similar skillset in Lohrei, while adding another dimension to their D in Zadorov - but of course this is my preference to team building as I like a good balance in skills both for forwards and D.

They can easily rotate out Forbort/Shatty/Zadorov as needed and now add a guy who has played both LD and RD, has a hard shot and can be physical.

I also question how much of Zadorovs poor underlying defensive stats are because of his skill and how much are due to: playing for a non-playoff team, playing for a new coach 3 times in the past 4 seasons, much like Lindholms were awful before he came here. With the solid defensive structure instilled in the players here, why can't Zadorov see an improvement in his play?

Now if they can pull off Zadorov for Forbort type deal that's fine too, but I think these two can coexist on an NHL team and still be fine.
Great Post .This D as presently structured lacks Physically and it certainly shows come playoff time. You do not have to search the internet to know this or try and find some partial stat to back your opinion. We all know what D man is not used on the penalty kill or on the power play. Is very soft and crumbles in playoff hockey. It is not Forbort
 
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Just wondering what the knock on Chara was when we first got him? Skating and lack of top 4 assignments? It worked out well, I by no means am saying Zadorov is anything close to Chara ....never seen a human being work harder at his craft to improve than Chara ...but maybe Boston might have something to offer him to improve and make him capable of more ...we do seem to have a secret sauce for making D better
 
Just wondering what the knock on Chara was when we first got him? Skating and lack of top 4 assignments? It worked out well, I by no means am saying Zadorov is anything close to Chara ....never seen a human being work harder at his craft to improve than Chara ...but maybe Boston might have something to offer him to improve and make him capable of more ...we do seem to have a secret sauce for making D better
Why are we trying so hard to make a third pairing defenseman who is looking for term at over $5M a year fit in this system? It’s Zadorov - he’s not that good.
 
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Just wondering what the knock on Chara was when we first got him? Skating and lack of top 4 assignments? It worked out well, I by no means am saying Zadorov is anything close to Chara ....never seen a human being work harder at his craft to improve than Chara ...but maybe Boston might have something to offer him to improve and make him capable of more ...we do seem to have a secret sauce for making D better

There was no knock on Chara. He was the most coveted free agent talent that year by far. He very well may be the best free agent signing in the history of the league.
 
I'm genuinely curious to what people think Matt Grzelcyk brings to this team in the post season? When I watch him, I'm not seeing what many other people see. It seems a lot of people wouldn't mind going another route, but some praise his game and don't think he should be moved.

To me I think the Grzelcyk ship has sailed. He hasn't ever been a positive player in 6 post season trips. He brings next to zero offensive production, too. For those who are into the analytical side of the coin, what does he bring that we're not seeing with the eye test?

He's -19 in 63 games with only 14 points. In his last 3 trips after the cup run he's -14 in 32 games with 5 points.

Why is he a guy that you guys are hesitant to move?
 
I think the point is more than he's fine for a 3.6M player. You won't typically get a decent #4 for that price anymore, and he's that at a minimum.

At 5+M he's not on the team anymore, he'd have been considered an anchor of a contract. He's probably played himself off the team anyway. They won't renew.
 
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