Prospect Info: 2023-2024 Rangers Prospects Thread (Prospect Stats in Post #1; Updated 05.22.2024)

[bobbop]

Great vision, great pass

 

[Ranger Ric]

Lindbom has done okay IMO.....right now I'm thinking though we don't re-sign. Not sure why we signed Boyko. Of the two 6'8 goalies Ollas has always put up much better numbers and it's not like Merrimack has ever been that great a team. Boyko played for a crap Kelowna team last year but he seemed crap too. I think Domingue was a good signing for us. Provided stability in Hartford the last two years and his game with us this year was excellent. If not him we'll probably pick up another vet for insurance.

Quick was shit in the preseason but he's been great in the regular season. I could easily see him coming back judging on what we've seen so far. He's shown he can still play and the Rangers are his childhood team. I wasn't a fan of Halak. He's been much better.

Domingue has been a great signing. Unless Quick retires and Domingue becomes the back up I think he would want to look for a better opportunity to make it back to the NHL than the Rangers will provide. By nest year Garand will have two years of experience and I think the Rangers will want him to be the man in Hartford with a veteran or perhaps Lindbolm, Ollas or Boyko serving as backup. We really don't know how Lindbolm and Boyko are doing given the lack of coverage of the ECHL but Lindbolm did have a good game in his one shot in Hartford. I can't see the Rangers resigning him to send him back to the ECHL for a third year. We'll see how the year plays out with the young goalies.

 

[nyr2k2]

Speaking of Lindbom and Boyko, it looks like Boyko started the last three games for Cincinnati including a back to back on Friday and Saturday. From the game summary it looks like Lindbom was the backup each game. That's an odd and interesting development.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

Speaking of Lindbom and Boyko, it looks like Boyko started the last three games for Cincinnati including a back to back on Friday and Saturday. From the game summary it looks like Lindbom was the backup each game. That's an odd and interesting development.

Linblom is from the Gorton/Clark/Bobrov era. We all knew that was a terrible pick the moment we found out. Antione Lafleur 2.0 This upcoming summer, bang....he gone.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Linblom is from the Gorton/Clark/Bobrov era. We all knew that was a terrible pick the moment we found out. Antione Lafleur 2.0 This upcoming summer, bang....he gone.

It was an Allaire pick though. Yeah, it was the Gorton-era, but goalie picks are always made by Allaire.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

It was an Allaire pick though. Yeah, it was the Gorton-era, but goalie picks are always made by Allaire.

Gorton as boss had the ultimate say. He could've and should've vetoed it ASAP citing Lafleur, the fact that Lindblom wasn't really excelling in any league, and he was not even close to BPA or position of need. IMHO, part of being an executive is not always agreeing with your team and making the hard choices.

 

[NYR Viper]

Domingue mentioned in his callup that he is finding it harder to be away from his family and kids. I wonder if he would consider a two year deal even if it meant mainly AHL time

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Gorton as boss had the ultimate say. He could've and should've vetoed it ASAP citing Lafleur, the fact that Lindblom wasn't really excelling in any league, and he was not even close to BPA or position of need. IMHO, part of being an executive is not always agreeing with your team and making the hard choices.

You can't call it the "Gorton/Clark/Bobrov" era and then go "Well, it's all Gorton" when a goalie is picked by Allaire.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

You can't call it the "Gorton/Clark/Bobrov" era and then go "Well, it's all Gorton" when a goalie is picked by Allaire.

I'm not going to argue in house because that's what I've been doing on the main boards and it's very taxing to my enjoyment here.

The only point I'm trying to make it that they as GM/Head of Scouting/etc. have final say and they did not succeed.

 

[Fitzy]

Have any of you that have been watching the BC games for Perrault gleaned anything about Fortescue and his game yet

 

[eco's bones]

Linblom is from the Gorton/Clark/Bobrov era. We all knew that was a terrible pick the moment we found out. Antione Lafleur 2.0 This upcoming summer, bang....he gone.

Lindbom wasn't exactly an unknown. He was considered among the best goalies in his draft class. That said he was still kind of a reach. Though anyone thinking there won't be any duds at all in any draft class are really out to lunch on the subject of drafting players. These are 17/18 year olds mainly. They'll fail for an endless variety of reasons. Some players just don't develop or develop much at all and every team has the same problems developing players that we do.

 

[2014nyr]

Have any of you that have been watching the BC games for Perrault gleaned anything about Fortescue and his game yet

he's a much better skater than i expected to see based on the way his game was described. very smooth, quiet skater who moves laterally well for a big guy. really don't notice him much out there if you don't look for him, which is kinda what you want for a player like that. he's a big kid and seen him make some nice hits / has the edge to him you want to see. don't think he's a great puck mover but he's actually pretty good handling the puck and picks spots well jumping in the o zone.

as far as i can tell he's basically doing everything you could want to see at this point. not doing anything terribly impressive, but had no issue adjusting to college hockey and becoming a top pair defensive dman dman.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I'm not going to argue in house because that's what I've been doing on the main boards and it's very taxing to my enjoyment here.

The only point I'm trying to make it that they as GM/Head of Scouting/etc. have final say and they did not succeed.

So Gorton has the ultimate say, except when it's Bobrov or Clark.

Gorton as boss had the ultimate say. He could've and should've vetoed it ASAP citing Lafleur, the fact that Lindblom wasn't really excelling in any league, and he was not even close to BPA or position of need. IMHO, part of being an executive is not always agreeing with your team and making the hard choices.

Sounds like you just pick and choose who to blame for bad picks and praise for good picks here.

The thing with Lindbom, is that Allaire wanted him after his strong u18 WJC peformance. When it comes to goalies, they trust Allaire and he has earned that trust over the years. He makes mistakes, everyone does. It's okay to call it for what it is.

 

[Harbour Dog]

Domingue mentioned in his callup that he is finding it harder to be away from his family and kids. I wonder if he would consider a two year deal even if it meant mainly AHL time

Are his family and kids in Hartford?

 

[nyr2k2]

I'm not sure I understand why it really matters who was ultimately "responsible" for the Lindbom pick--the point remains it was a pick made under a previous administration, it was a bad pick at the time--the player was OK in that group of eligible goalies, but they were a round too early with much better overall prospects available--and the pick has not aged well. Given all that, I think it's reasonable to think the new front office would be ready to cut bait with that pick when given the opportunity, regardless of whether Allaire is around or not. They have no attachment to the pick, no desire to hang on to the player in the hopes they'll be proven right.

I figured we'd take a goalie in that draft and wanted Skarek if we did. He has been pretty mediocre himself, average AHL guy. The other "top" goalies in that draft haven't done much to this point although there are still some guys out there who have gotten some backup work and who may yet develop into starters. The Rangers misread the board and thought the run on goalies was going to start in the second but it really didn't start until the third. Lindbom was one of the better goalies in the class but they easily could have gotten someone of his caliber in the third (Jakob Ragnarsson pick, Skarek went right after and Dostal a bit later) or the fourth (Nico Gross pick, Hofer and Prosvetov went after).

 

[cwede]

..., I think it's reasonable to think the new front office would be ready to cut bait with that pick when given the opportunity, regardless of whether Allaire is around or not. They have no attachment to the pick, no desire to hang on to the player in the hopes they'll be proven right....

yep we've seen this already with Vierling
and even Grubbe, who was drafted by this FO

however, me being the ever optimist re prospects, gotta mention
Lindbom still has this season to earn an extension

and with only Ollas in the (amateur) G pipeline, they could extend him a year as depth/insurance

 

[NYR Viper]

Are his family and kids in Hartford?

They are, at least that's what he indicated in his interview when he came up to play the game for the Rangers

 

[bogans]

yep we've seen this already with Vierling
and even Grubbe, who was drafted by this FO

however, me being the ever optimist re prospects, gotta mention
Lindbom still has this season to earn an extension

and with only Ollas in the (amateur) G pipeline, they could extend him a year as depth/insurance

I think the fact remains and since that draft, he has been treated accordingly, Benoit is a coach, not a scout. I don't think that Benny has really been given much of the credit for "discovering" Lundqvist or Shesty, mostly for taking some well drafted goaltenders and helping turn them into stars. Ya know, the coaching...

And for that matter, he definitely was "blamed" for LaFleur and Lindbom both.

 

[Ranger Ric]

I'm not sure I understand why it really matters who was ultimately "responsible" for the Lindbom pick--the point remains it was a pick made under a previous administration, it was a bad pick at the time--the player was OK in that group of eligible goalies, but they were a round too early with much better overall prospects available--and the pick has not aged well. Given all that, I think it's reasonable to think the new front office would be ready to cut bait with that pick when given the opportunity, regardless of whether Allaire is around or not. They have no attachment to the pick, no desire to hang on to the player in the hopes they'll be proven right.

I figured we'd take a goalie in that draft and wanted Skarek if we did. He has been pretty mediocre himself, average AHL guy. The other "top" goalies in that draft haven't done much to this point although there are still some guys out there who have gotten some backup work and who may yet develop into starters. The Rangers misread the board and thought the run on goalies was going to start in the second but it really didn't start until the third. Lindbom was one of the better goalies in the class but they easily could have gotten someone of his caliber in the third (Jakob Ragnarsson pick, Skarek went right after and Dostal a bit later) or the fourth (Nico Gross pick, Hofer and Prosvetov went after).

I think your statement that the pick was a round too early is correct. But I think there is a reason for the Rangers picking Lindbolm at 39 even if it turned out to be an error.

Going into that draft the Rangers had picks 9, 26 and 28 in the first round, 39 and 46 in the second and 70 and 88 in the third. The Rangers wanted to move up from 26 to pick Miller and offered 26 and probably one of the third rounders, which at the time seemed to be cost of moving up four spots to pick Miller at 22. But Ottawa insisted on a second rounder and the Rangers moved pick 46. They got Miller but now had a large gap between picks 39 and 70. I think the Rangers wanted Lindbolm but were afraid of a goalie run with Lindbolm being gone by 70. While I, like most everyone, didn't like the pick at the time, the picks between 40 and 70 haven't turned out to be that great. Only five players with more than 100 NHL games (Ryan McLeod, Martin Fehervary, Sean Durzi, Caden Addison, Jack McBain) only 1 with more than 20 total goals (Kiril Marchenko) and only 6 with more than 30 points (Ryan McLeod, Martin Fehervary, Sean Durzi, Caden Addison, Kiril Marchenko, and Jack McBain). And not surprisingly the picks from 70 on, including the Rangers picks, produced very few regular NHL players. This turned out to be not a very deep draft.

 

[GAGLine]

yep we've seen this already with Vierling
and even Grubbe, who was drafted by this FO

however, me being the ever optimist re prospects, gotta mention
Lindbom still has this season to earn an extension

and with only Ollas in the (amateur) G pipeline, they could extend him a year as depth/insurance

We typically don't have 3 developmental goalies in the pros at the same time.

If Ollas stays in school for his senior year (likely) and Garand becomes the backup next year (unlikely), then maybe we keep Lindbom around on an AHL deal. The problem is, neither Lindbom nor Boyko have been good in the ECHL. I wouldn't expect either to be in the AHL full time next season.

I think the most likely scenario is that we re-sign Domingue, he and Garand continue to platoon in the AHL, Boyko remains in the ECHL, and Lindbom goes back home. There's also a good possibility that we'll draft a goalie this year, though I would hope not with the 1st or 2nd round picks.

 

[nyr2k2]

I think your statement that the pick was a round too early is correct. But I think there is a reason for the Rangers picking Lindbolm at 39 even if it turned out to be an error.

Going into that draft the Rangers had picks 9, 26 and 28 in the first round, 39 and 46 in the second and 70 and 88 in the third. The Rangers wanted to move up from 26 to pick Miller and offered 26 and probably one of the third rounders, which at the time seemed to be cost of moving up four spots to pick Miller at 22. But Ottawa insisted on a second rounder and the Rangers moved pick 46. They got Miller but now had a large gap between picks 39 and 70. I think the Rangers wanted Lindbolm but were afraid of a goalie run with Lindbolm being gone by 70. While I, like most everyone, didn't like the pick at the time, the picks between 40 and 70 haven't turned out to be that great. Only five players with more than 100 NHL games (Ryan McLeod, Martin Fehervary, Sean Durzi, Caden Addison, Jack McBain) only 1 with more than 20 total goals (Kiril Marchenko) and only 6 with more than 30 points (Ryan McLeod, Martin Fehervary, Sean Durzi, Caden Addison, Kiril Marchenko, and Jack McBain). And not surprisingly the picks from 70 on, including the Rangers picks, produced very few regular NHL players. This turned out to be not a very deep draft.

Yeah, that is most likely what happened.

I don't really believe in drafting a goalie before the third or fourth round unless you're pretty sure he's a future starter--i.e. the real high-end guys. There was no one in this draft like that. Anyway, I don't know why they were so nervous, when literally not one goalie had been taken to that point, and the likelihood that the cluster of other goalies rated around Lindbom would all be gone in the next 30 picks was...well, it was not likely, LOL.

I do believe Jack Drury will still prove to be a useful player in the league, and I've been a fan of Ishakov since way back when he played with Huska. He might be too small, though. I don't like Kevin Bahl but I do think he'll end up playing many years in the league. Jack McBain was picked right at the top of the third. You're 100% correct, though, in that the a lot of the prospects I said were "much" better ended up being mediocre or worse.

 

[NYR Viper]

Ollas staying in school is a bit of a no-brainer to me if he is going to be THE guy at Merrimack. He needs games and even if he turns pro, it's unlikely he gets more as a pro than if he stayed, especially with Garand likely getting the bulk of the work in the AHL next year.

I foresee Drury looking for another veteran NHL back-up for next year, along with a veteran platoon guy for the AHL. I'm hopeful it's Domingue.

If all goes well, Garand is the back-up the year following and Ollas can come in and platoon like Garand did with that same veteran goalie.

24-25
NHL - Shesty, vet back-up (Quick?)
AHL - Garand, vet platoon (Domingue?)
NCAA - Ollas

25-26
NHL - Shesty, Garand
AHL - Ollas, vet platoon (Domingue?)

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

So Gorton has the ultimate say, except when it's Bobrov or Clark.


Sounds like you just pick and choose who to blame for bad picks and praise for good picks here.

The thing with Lindbom, is that Allaire wanted him after his strong u18 WJC peformance. When it comes to goalies, they trust Allaire and he has earned that trust over the years. He makes mistakes, everyone does. It's okay to call it for what it is.

All are responsible for bad picks. Which is why a majority aren't here anymore.

I was very fair to Clark's work from the mid-2000s to mid-2010s in all my posts. I try my best to always give the benefit of the doubt even for picks I'm not personally a fan of.

 

[2014nyr]

feel like trying to project goalies is a fools errand. no other position has anywhere near the volatility they do and that can extend in either direction into their late 20s...some even longer. it probably has a lot to do with the fact that they're all completely tapped to begin with, because they can go from unbeatable one year to finding ways to have pucks going 10 feet wide wind up in the net the next and back again all at the same level. they can be questionable at one level, then move up a level and play fantastic, then move up a level and can't stop anything. they can go back down to a level they dominated and get lit up. they can dominate a level but move up to a marginally higher one and look like they've never worn pads. they can sort of piddle around pro leagues for 5 years then earn an nhl spot off a pto and prove very reliable. they can have elite pedigrees and take the fast lane in a linear path to the nhl where it all falls apart. there's just so many ways guys find their way to nhl/ahl spots and a ton of them do not follow any linear or predictable path to them - esp from north america.

long story short i just feel like it's nearly impossible to pencil in any non-nhl young goalie into any role looking forward, and it's probably not a good idea to write almost any off if they're still playing at a legit level and are younger than like 25. it's not like skaters where you have a pretty good idea where the ceiling probably is in most cases by 21-22, even if it's a long ways off. goalies are a completely different animal when it comes to what they appear to be today and what they are tomorrow.

maybe earlier specialization at the position, improving quality of position specific coaching at earlier ages, and increasing availability of analytics feedback at competitive youth levels will smooth their progression somewhat. at the end of the day though if you've played enough hockey with enough goalies you know they're all completely mental...and that's a variable that will never change nor has any identifiable pattern.

 

[GAGLine]

2024 World Juniors: Team USA Roster Updates, Bubble Watch - FloHockey

With the World Juniors one month away and Team USA's selection camp starting in a few weeks, analyst Chris Peters looks at how the roster may be shaping up.

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Chris Peters has Perreault as likely and Fortescue on the bubble.

Perreault didn’t score any points in his first two collegiate game, then proceeded to have 20 in his next 11 contests. He has three goals and 17 assists as he continues to be a constant source of playmaking and production. He didn’t have a great camp, but USA knows it can put Perreault with Smith and Leonard for instant chemistry. There’s probably no need to overthink it an just go with something that is tried and true, and working at the collegiate level like gangbusters.

A rare defenseman with some size in the age group, Fortescue has three goals in 14 games for Boston College. He’s above average defensively within this age group and has good mobility. He can defend at a high enough level for USA to put him down their lineup to provide some needed balance.

His projected lineup includes both, with Perreault at 2LW and Fortescue at 2LD.