Prospect Info: 2023-2024 Rangers Prospects Thread (Prospect Stats in Post #1; Updated 05.22.2024)

[HFsNumber1Heel]

@chosen no one said Othmann is supposed to be an offensive force or a Panarin replacement. His closest comparison was to Chris Kunitz. He'll hopefully turn into a 45-50 point player who has a lot of sandpaper and can eat a lot of minutes. He's the guy who plays with your stars.

The 18-19 year old thing is a trend that only started with the 2013 lockout. Most kids who aren't the top prospects need a few years to marinate. Remember when for decades guys were coming over at 21-23 from Europe and NCAA? Physical maturity.

There are at least 4-5 guys in Hartford with a chance to play for the big club and "refill" those middle six roles on cheap contracts/add a lot of sandpaper.

Defense is a problem and they need to replenish. Fortescue is a legit prospect who will need 3-4 years to get experience and man strength. He has a lot of tools (very good skater) and reminds me almost of a defensive version of Cullye in terms of attitude and will to make it. Rasmus Larsson is interesting although he seems to have cooled off. Another guy you leave alone for 3-4 years and you might have a pleasant surprise come 2027.

 

[eco's bones]

This is always important to keep in mind. The Rangers have 20 lineup spots to fill. I mean, great to have a ton of terrific prospects and keep cycling them in and out, keeping the pipeline fresh. But also, just need a few of theee guys to hit and as it is the roster is pretty solid. One or two guys graduate each year and we’re golden.

A season in Hartford I don't think is going to hurt Othmann and I think for guys like Berard and Sykora it's necessary. Also I don't think the Rangers are going to carry both Berard and Sykora on their bottom lines if say in the next couple years both appear to be ready. Some components of their games are too similar and having two undersized wingers as 3rd/4th line checkers I don't think would be a good mix for us. I expect in the next year or two the Rangers to move one of them.

 

[chosen]

As a former high major DOBO and someone who has seen all kinds of development curves, this post offends me deeply.

You'll recover.

 

[huerter]

You'll recover.

Don’t need to get cised when you stay cised.

 

[egelband]

Don’t need to get cised when you stay cised.

This is correct. The math checks out.

 

[chosen]

When a little doubt is expressed about the top offensive prospect, some folks act like their overprotected child has been defamed.

 

[B17 Apricots]

Once upon a time when Detroit was a powerhouse that became their forte, they let their prospects marinate for a while. A lot easier when you have a winning team too. That was fairly commonplace for prospects at the time. I'm not sure if it's a perception thing or if teams actually are trying to incorporate prospects earlier at younger ages.

Back to those Detroit teams though, even guys like Datsyuk and Zetterberg were 22/23 when they got to the the NHL. Same for Filppula. After Kronwall got drafted he spent a number of years in Sweden and the AHL. He was 25/26 when he got to the big league. Jiří Hudler spent 3 years in the minors. He was a good top 6 player, 23 when he got to the NHL. That was just the protocol. Franzen stayed in Sweden for years, he came to the NHL at 26. Jimmy Howard played multiple years in college and 4 years in the AHL. He was 25/26. Tatar was 23, Nyquist was 24. That was the typical path our own prospects followed prior to the rebuild as well.

Obviously the game has changed a lot since then. Less physicality, more speed and skill. It would make sense if they're bringing in players younger and younger, they don't need to be as physically mature to handle this quicker game.

Anyway, it's no issue if our prospects spend multiple years going through the system. Like the guys mentioned above, we have a lot of talent, we don't need to force players into spots. Berard is only 21, Othmann is 20.. even if these guys spend the next 2/3 years in the minors I see no issue. Plus there's the other angle there too where if you have a proper system the prospects come up together, playing together and building chemistry with each other. By the time they reach the big leagues they already have that familiarity with each other

 

[nyr2k2]

When a little doubt is expressed about the top offensive prospect, some folks act like their overprotected child has been defamed.

No they just get annoyed when people who appear to know nothing about the prospects beyond what they see at HockeyDB come in with a hot take and a "prove me wrong" mentality.

If you don't watch the guys and are legitimately curious about their progress, just say so. You always start from a negative position on everything, though.

 

[GAGLine]

BC is on Peacock today. If you don't have that, there's a link to listen to the game here:

No. 2 Eagles Travel to No. 18 Notre Dame on Black Friday - Boston College Athletics

The 49th all-time meeting in the series begins at 4 p.m. live on Peacock from South Bend

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[Lua]

It looked like Perrault drop passed it through the high slot to no one and then Leonard, the trailer, comes out of nowhere and just stepped into a one timer for a goal

Primary assist for Gabe

 

[eco's bones]

No they just get annoyed when people who appear to know nothing about the prospects beyond what they see at HockeyDB come in with a hot take and a "prove me wrong" mentality.

If you don't watch the guys and are legitimately curious about their progress, just say so. You always start from a negative position on everything, though.

FWIW some players get fast tracked though more often than not it happens on younger and/or mediocre to average teams. The Rangers successfully moved on from the retooling/rebuilding stage very quickly and even if Kakko and Lafreniere's progress hasn't been as fast as all of us wanted still really young players like Sheshterkin, Fox and Miller more than made up for it and Kakko, Lafreniere, Chytil, Lindgren, Schneider are all young and established at this point with Cuylle, Jones playing pretty well now. Also when we're bringing in vets to enhance our group it means younger players are going to see more AHL time.

We can look at kids playing well in other organizations but more often than not their teams aren't that good or not playoff good and sometimes these younger players even if they're producing good numbers still are works in progress as far as other areas of the game. We can of course complain about the progress of some of our younger guys but the Rangers are IMO one of the better teams in the league again and unlike at other times when we were a better team our younger players are a big part of our success and we've still got a lot of really good prospects in the AHL and beyond.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

It looked like Perrault drop passed it through the high slot to no one and then Leonard, the trailer, comes out of nowhere and just stepped into a one timer for a goal

Primary assist for Gabe

He does that.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Another primary assist for Gabe on another goal by leonard.

This assist was even better.

 

[GAGLine]

 

[rangersfansince08]

Such a good prospect. Leonard too. What's up with Smith though?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Such a good prospect. Leonard too. What's up with Smith though?

He's looked good today.

He's had flashes of some really great stuff but he's balanced that out with a ton of stupid. Almost looks like he's trying to prove he was worthy of a top 5 selection and that results in poor decision making and just over playing things when theres nothing there.

Think the hockey IQ isn't nearly as high as I thought it was. He lags behind Perreault there by quite a bit and I'd throw Leonard ahead of him too.

 

[rangersfansince08]

He's looked good today.

He's had flashes of some really great stuff but he's balanced that out with a ton of stupid. Almost looks like he's trying to prove he was worthy of a top 5 selection and that results in poor decision making and just over playing things when theres nothing there.

Think the hockey IQ isn't nearly as high as I thought it was. He lags behind Perreault there by quite a bit and I'd throw Leonard ahead of him too.

Yea think Leonard will be the best player from that line with Perrault not too far behind (giving the edge to Leonard since goals are at a premium and his physical element)

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Fortescue goal.

 

[GAGLine]

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Goal Perreault!

Good stuff from Smith. Actually looks like a top 5 selection today.

 

[GAGLine]

Perreault with a 5 on 3 PP goal.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

BC is just dunking on ND.

 

[rangersfansince08]

3 pt game wow

 

[nyr2k2]

FWIW some players get fast tracked though more often than not it happens on younger and/or mediocre to average teams. The Rangers successfully moved on from the retooling/rebuilding stage very quickly and even if Kakko and Lafreniere's progress hasn't been as fast as all of us wanted still really young players like Sheshterkin, Fox and Miller more than made up for it and Kakko, Lafreniere, Chytil, Lindgren, Schneider are all young and established at this point with Cuylle, Jones playing pretty well now. Also when we're bringing in vets to enhance our group it means younger players are going to see more AHL time.

We can look at kids playing well in other organizations but more often than not their teams aren't that good or not playoff good and sometimes these younger players even if they're producing good numbers still are works in progress as far as other areas of the game. We can of course complain about the progress of some of our younger guys but the Rangers are IMO one of the better teams in the league again and unlike at other times when we were a better team our younger players are a big part of our success and we've still got a lot of really good prospects in the AHL and beyond.

I remember we signed Kreider and he jumped right into the playoffs. Then next season it was clear he wasn't ready to play a regular role in the NHL. He was like a .5PPG player in the AHL and he was older and much more physically mature than Othmann. He eventually got it, but even the next year he was sent down for a bit.

JT Miller is probably the other successful forward we drafted and developed that you can look at. He was up and down from the AHL. He was younger than Othmann when he turned pro, but Miller wasn't a permanent NHL player until he was 22 or 23.

Othmann looks fine in the AHL. He doesn't look dominant but he doesn't look at all out of place to me. What he'll become at the NHL level remains to be seen, but there's time for that to play out. I'll say, though, that I have not been as high on Othmann as many around here, but I find much more encouraging about his season than I find discouraging.

 

[huerter]

Learn to love the royal road by the time GP hits Broadway.