I heard Chris Peters on a podcast this summer predicting Fortescue would make it and Perrault would be on the bubble.
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The Crypto Guy
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Yea, Gabe is a 100% lock to make the team. @Tob will delete his account if i’m wrong.
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Wheeler and Pronman released updated projections and both had Perrault making the team and Fortescue not making it.
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The Athletic is essentially a fan blog with a paywall. These opinion pieces are no better than what we see on HFNYR
Barbashev has had a poor start to the season, let's hope this jumpstarts him.
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In his d+2 year he's not putting up the kind of numbers that I'd be seriously thinking about signing him to an ELC so hopefully the move to Rimouski does jump start him. Right now he's not done enough IMO.
Yeah given it's his D+2 and he's an overage player, in THAT league, he's really going to need to take off after the trade to earn a contract. He had a decent year in 2022 marked by a nice run of consecutive games with a goal, but given his experience and physical advantages (and the pedigree) he really should be dominating.
Shawinigan traded two 3rds, an 8th, a prospect defender, and waived Leo Braillard who is excelling in the WHL, in return for 15 games of Barbashev, a 2nd, and another import in Jan Sprynar. It's not a total disaster for them but obviously not what they were expecting when they first acquired Barbashev and then subsequently waived Braillard. Basically traded futures to downgrade from Braillard to Sprynar, although they can have Sprynar next year, too.
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in fairness, wasn't crazy to not originally project him for the team back in the summer. usa is loaded up front this year...if you were at all skeptical on perrault, which obviously many were given the range of draft projections for him, he'd be a bubble candidate at best. he's not really a guy you'd bring for a bottom 6/non pp role, and there's no shortage of top 6 talent to select from. someone just had to be the odd man out.
thankfully, his play at bc has put to rest most of the questions/criticisms about skating - which never made any sense to me anyway- but especially whether or not he was simply a product of his linemates. any projections omitting him at this point would be an entirely different story.
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I think we have several in Hartford with legit shots---Othmann, Garand, Berard, Edstrom, Sykora, Rempe and maybe Robertson.
Other guys--Perreault, McConnell-Barker, Chmelar, Laba, Ollas and a couple maybes in Fortescue, Lamb and a couple more long shots down the road.
Othmann and Garand in Hartford are just waiting for the day IMO. Garand is better off getting more games there but he should at least be a very good backup. Berard is off to a really good start in his first pro season. Sykora playing regular as a 19 year old in the AHL is doing well too. Those two are on the smallish size but they're also great skaters and energizer bunnies. Edstrom and Rempe have great size. Edstrom 6'7 is a really really good and smooth skater for his size. Good defensive player---definitely see him making it as a bottom line player. Rempe also as a bottom line player. His skating is a bit ugly but he gets around all right and seems to have a decent game away from the play, hits a lot and likes to fight. Laviolette seems to like him a lot too. Robertson still working on figuring out his game as a defender.
As for the college and junior guys. Perreault needs to get stronger. I think he plays this year and another at BC. McConnell-Barker has a really good two way game and good size. Chmelar in his second year at BC has played twice in the WJC's for the Czech Rep. and a point a game player this year as a sophomore. He's also a very good skater and about 6'5 and 230. Laba also point a game so far for Colorado College in his second year. Another player with size but also good aggression. He may be the Tigers best forward. Ollas is a 6'8 junior goalie playing for Merrimack. Merrimack almost always is mediocre to average but Ollas so far in 3 years always keeps his GAA well under 3.00 and his save % in the .915 to .920 range. I find that intriguing. Lamb is a sophomore at power house Minnesota U. and 6 goals and 10 points in 12 games this year. Fortescue a freshman getting his feet wet at BC---I would think he does at least 3 years there.
Not all these guys are going to become regular NHL players one day. No doubt some will be traded as well. I could see every one of them becoming at least a pretty good AHL player. 3--Othmann, Perreault, Garand are legit already. I think others are fairly close. The step to the AHL can be hard for a lot of players so I hesitate for anyone who hasn't turned pro yet but even those guys listed above yet to turn pro are looking pretty damn good at least so far to me.
None of this is unfair.
Pronman has been an asshat in regards to Perreault and even more so since he's been drafted. He had Gabe mocked at 9th and then when he went 23rd he was like "yeah, this is where I thought he'd go" and even in his latest write up he was like "OH SMITH AND LEONARD ARE LOCKS... AFTER THAT HERE ARE SOME OTHER GUYS WHO ARE IN THE RUNNING... I GUESS GABE HAS BEEN THE BEST OF THAT GROUP"
Im sure he works hard and is an alright guy but hes terrible at his job.
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Surprising take from you. You mentioned two of the most recent 1st rounders - all the rest of them have made it to the NHL with only one bust exclusion.
Now you know odds against are getting much higher when we look beyond the first round but Cuylle and Jones were just added to the varsity. Sykora is undersized 19 yo seems to be adjusting pretty well in the AHL which is not a small (sorry for the pun) feat, BMB is a center with good size and skillset is on the path to join him there next year, while Fortescue seems to seamlessly transitioned into college hockey as a freshman. I think these are all skaters through 3rd. Beyond this is even more of a crapshoot but Garand is a legit goalie prospect and among skaters Berard and Edstrom are also pretty close to making it. I also like Chmelar from the rest but there are surprisingly quite a few prospects doing well relative to their draft spots.
For a team that’s been in the contender discussion for a few years IMO this is actually pretty good.
Sorry, maybe Othmann will be a top 6 player, but he'll be 21 in 6 weeks and the NHL no longer holds back 18 and 19 year olds.
There's a bunch of them already in the NH and some look pretty good.. It's mostly on lesser teams, but that he has zero even-strength goals, while on the top line is at the very least, not a great sign.
He has been pushed here as a future offensive force. I hope he becomes that, but certainly he's not a sure thing and I don't see any other prospects who might end up a top line player except perhaps Perreault.
I hope Othmann goes on a goal scoring spree, but until then I am not sold on his being a top 6 player, let alone an offensive star.
To be crystal clear, I'm not saying he's going to bust, but so far I am not impressed with his offensive prowess.
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Did you mean to reply to my post - I didn't even mention Othmann by name let alone where he's projected to fit in the lineup?
On this point I typically take a conservative approach. I was genuinely surprised how smooth Cuylle's transition has been into a top-9 spot and I'm hoping Othmann will do the same next year. In both cases I'm not going to project them higher right now, but I'm not going to be surprised if either or both eventually will find themselves in the top-6 spot.
Remember when Marcus Johansson was better than Stepan and Kreider?
Because that was a @chosen take.
Even if the league doesn't hold back guys who are 18 or 19, it doesn't mean that everyone breaks through at 18 or 19. There are plenty of examples of guys who are good, or even great players who broke through later.
Because that was a @chosen take.
Even if the league doesn't hold back guys who are 18 or 19, it doesn't mean that everyone breaks through at 18 or 19. There are plenty of examples of guys who are good, or even great players who broke through later.
I don't recall making that appraisal.
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For example, Laf.
Bad NHLer in his +1, average bottom sixer in his +2, decent middle sixer in his +3, starting to really hit his top six NHL stride in his +4. And he was a 1OA, of course.
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And this is based on your average assessment over the whole seasons with number of up-and-down stretches within. Making assessments based on a dozen or 15 games is likely to miss the true target when the season is over.
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FWIW with Kreider, Panarin, Lafreniere and Kakko we've got wings for our top 6 with Cuylle already making an impression on the third line. So a wing moving straight into our top 6 is not likely in the cards anytime soon. The Rangers can afford to let their prospect wings develop their overall games and not rush them.
I do like Othmann--Brennan's point numbers in the OHL did go down last year but he looked at the move to Peterborough as beneficial as in that team stressed a more pro like game than Flint did in that players were pushed to develop their two way games pretty much up and down that lineup and that style helped the Petes to win the OHL playoffs and go to the Memorial Cup. As well in both WJC's Othmann sometimes was on the first line and sometimes on the 4th line and he was able to adapt his game to both the scoring line and the checking line. I think that's a good thing. He's also got a physical game--he's average size but his physicality is above his size/weight. He hits hard and often and has a bit of agitating to his game. In some ways he reminds me of Dustin Brown but with a better shot and a better shot release.
As for Perreault he's shown a better two way game at BC than I expected which makes his early freshman season production even better to my eyes. He is a guy though that you'd probably want to start in the NHL on a line that can produce something....not a guy you'd want playing with 4th line types. I'd also rather bring him out of college with the idea of his making the NHL pretty soon if not right away and if that meant a third year at BC that's what I think would be for the best.
As a former high major DOBO and someone who has seen all kinds of development curves, this post offends me deeply.
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What's to be offended about? Every prospect has a high end they can become and pretty much a low end and usually they fall somewhere in between. Othmann is going to have to fight his way onto the lineup and from the lower lines up because the competition is pretty tough particularly if he stays on the left side. To do that also he is going to have to have a 200' game because nothing is going to be given to him. So expect his production numbers when he finally hits the NHL to be somewhat underwhelming.
As far as other posters not everyone sees things the same way and that's okay. Don't look for issues where they don't exist.
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This is always important to keep in mind. The Rangers have 20 lineup spots to fill. I mean, great to have a ton of terrific prospects and keep cycling them in and out, keeping the pipeline fresh. But also, just need a few of theee guys to hit and as it is the roster is pretty solid. One or two guys graduate each year and we’re golden.
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