Prospect Info: 2023-2024 Rangers Prospects Thread (Prospect Stats in Post #1; Updated 05.22.2024)

[GAGLine]

Bob Barker and Roobroeck's Cube each had an assist last night.

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[nyr2k2]

I'm looking at all of these names and what strikes me is that there are no centers.

BMB looks like he's taken a step back a bit. Does Soo suck this year or something? Over a PPG last year and now under a PPG in his D+2 season. Disappointing to see just stat watching.

The organizational needs are LHD>Center>RHD>RW>LW>Goalie in that order at the moment.

I think BMB is having a bit of bad luck. He's still playing pretty well each night and looks the part of a legitimate NHL prospect. That's just the eye test. Looks like he's also shooting about 5 percent this season which you'd expect to come up pretty considerably.

 

[kovazub94]

…BMB looks like he's taken a step back a bit. Does Soo suck this year or something? Over a PPG last year and now under a PPG in his D+2 season. Disappointing to see just stat watching.
…

The season just started so I’d first warn about making a broad statement about taking a step back - scoring stat watching can paint a completely different picture from what is actually happening due to a slew of factors where conversion rate (otherwise known as “puck luck” is one of the more prominent ones).

Another thing is that during team camps between D+1 and D+2 years some (?) prospects get instructions to work on specific things that could impact scoring stats. We just don’t know.

In case of BMB it looks like that so far in a pretty small sample size his shooting rate has been significantly lower than last year. Can this just be a small sample anomaly. He’s close to a PPG so it quite possibly could reverse to last year’s pace or better in just a month or two.

 

[I Eat Crow]

Thanks all, that's what I figured the case was. Bad luck/low shooting percentage. I don't have the time to research and watch highlights like I used to! It's a bit concerning in any capacity if anyone's numbers drop without good reason at this stage in the game.

 

[egelband]

If we can start backfilling the bottom six with homegrown players, that’s a huge win.
I mean, there are, say, 22 players on a roster. At the moment, 12 - if you count Vesey - are guys who came up through the system. Get that number up to about 15 consistently and I think the cap is very happy.
Of course guys will get paid, but it’s on a much more manageable horizon.

 

[Leetch3]

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

If we can start backfilling the bottom six with homegrown players, that’s a huge win.
I mean, there are, say, 22 players on a roster. At the moment, 12 - if you count Vesey - are guys who came up through the system. Get that number up to about 15 consistently and I think the cap is very happy.
Of course guys will get paid, but it’s on a much more manageable horizon.

Cullye looks to be a middle six maybe even 2nd liner so that's a checkmark.

Between Edstrom, Sykora, Berard, BMB, Roo, Korzcak, and one of Laba/Chlemar/Vaislien(sp), that should hopefully take care of at least two if not three bottom six wingers.

Othmann and Perrault will hopefully be top six or at worst middle six.

Rempe at most will hopefully develop into a 12th forward.

 

[eco's bones]

Cullye looks to be a middle six maybe even 2nd liner so that's a checkmark.

Between Edstrom, Sykora, Berard, BMB, Roo, Korzcak, and one of Laba/Chlemar/Vaislien(sp), that should hopefully take care of at least two if not three bottom six wingers.

Othmann and Perrault will hopefully be top six or at worst middle six.

Rempe at most will hopefully develop into a 12th forward.

Some for me are more serious prospects than others and not everyone of the above is going to make it and Cuylle had advantages over most all of them in the size/strength component if he could develop his game which was boosted by playing those 20 some games in the AHL is his draft + 1 year. He's got size, strength, pretty decent skating, a physical game, a 200 foot game and pretty decent offense and he already acts like a pro. He's not 1st line material but with him it's still kind of the full package.

Still I really like 6 of the 9 above. 3 of them I think are reaches to make it but I also think Rempe has a shot as an enforcer if he can work on his skating and two way game more. The Rangers played him in two preseason games and he was a later cut.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Some for me are more serious prospects than others and not everyone of the above is going to make it and Cuylle had advantages over most all of them in the size/strength component if he could develop his game which was boosted by playing those 20 some games in the AHL is his draft + 1 year. He's got size, strength, pretty decent skating, a physical game, a 200 foot game and pretty decent offense and he already acts like a pro. He's not 1st line material but with him it's still kind of the full package.

Still I really like 6 of the 9 above. 3 of them I think are reaches to make it but I also think Rempe has a shot as an enforcer if he can work on his skating and two way game more. The Rangers played him in two preseason games and he was a later cut.

Other than Ryan Reaves is enforcer still a thing?

 

[Black Tank]

Other than Ryan Reaves is enforcer still a thing?

You need to be able to skate and keep up with the play and have some hockey smarts. If you can do that then you can be a serviceable 4th liner that lines up big hits and can drop the gloves. But you can't be a 240lb enforcer that skates only to fights and back anymore. I don't know if Rempe meets these min requirements.

 

[bhamill]

Other than Ryan Reaves is enforcer still a thing?

There are a few around. Reaves, Deslauriers, Johnston, etc. If it's your main function you have to be a real terror, you can't just be tough, you have to be "dangerous." Rempe is already at that point. He WILL play in the NHL in a couple of years if he keeps that up. If he can work on his game he could be a regular 4th liner. If not for us, then for another team.

 

[RangerBoy]

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[RangersFan1994]

If we can start backfilling the bottom six with homegrown players, that’s a huge win.
I mean, there are, say, 22 players on a roster. At the moment, 12 - if you count Vesey - are guys who came up through the system. Get that number up to about 15 consistently and I think the cap is very happy.
Of course guys will get paid, but it’s on a much more manageable horizon.

I remember when the Rangers did this with Dom Moore and Brian Boyle and a young Brandon Prust. Younger players that grew with the Rangers that were not expensive and younger than 29 fun times.

 

[cwede]

I remember when the Rangers did this with Dom Moore and Brian Boyle and a young Brandon Prust. Younger players that grew with the Rangers that were not expensive and younger than 29 fun times.

is that really what happened at that time?
did NYR really "start backfilling the bottom six with homegrown players"
Prust was turning 26 when traded to NYR,
Boyle was turning 25 when traded to NYR,
Moore was turning 26 when NYR traded him after his first full NHL season

if Prust and Boyle had been NYR draftees, at the point they were traded,
I feel I can easily imagine posts mocking NYR scouts ...

 

[RangersFan1994]

is that really what happened at that time?
did NYR really "start backfilling the bottom six with homegrown players"
Prust was turning 26 when traded to NYR,
Boyle was turning 25 when traded to NYR,
Moore was turning 26 when NYR traded him after his first full NHL season

if Prust and Boyle had been NYR draftees, at the point they were traded,
I feel I can easily imagine posts mocking NYR scouts ...

They also had guys like Colton Orr Ryan Hollweg Blair Betts on the 4th line younger players that were cheap not Barclay Goodrow Donald Brashear types that were older and more on the decline.

 

[nyr2k2]

The HBO line was a lot of fun but honestly, Hollweg was a terrible player (even though I loved the guy) and so was Orr. Orr was ferocious but not good at hockey. Betts was the only legitimate player of the bunch.

 

[eco's bones]

Other than Ryan Reaves is enforcer still a thing?

Joey Kocur never put up big numbers but his play away from the puck was good enough that he was often on the ice in the last half minute/minute of games when the Rangers were trying to close out a hard fought win. The point is that Rempe can become an NHL player if he continues to develop other areas of his game and the size, forechecking/hitting with the intimidation/fighting gives him the potential to be very much an asset if he can put all those things together. Mind you I think 4th line is his ceiling but if you look at our 4th line this year there's not much offense but they all kill penalties and are good away from the puck, can grind etc. etc. 4th line shouldn't be for just throwing guys out that we don't know what to do with such as Kravtsov, Gauthier.....it should be guys that can do the unappreciated jobs and add other qualities that maybe the rest of the team lacks.

Back to Rempe for a moment. In preseason games he was getting around the ice pretty well even if his skating is still a bit ugly. Some of that ugly comes from being 6'8 and gawky even though he's 240 lbs. He was getting in hits though and he hits hard. The last guy we had with similar size and game was Booggard and Rempe is already a better and a more rounded player.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

They also had guys like Colton Orr Ryan Hollweg Blair Betts on the 4th line younger players that were cheap not Barclay Goodrow Donald Brashear types that were older and more on the decline.

Orr was a 25 year old waiver pick up.

Hollweg and Betts fit the bill, Hollweg was pretty useless as a player though.

 

[bhamill]

Joey Kocur never put up big numbers but his play away from the puck was good enough that he was often on the ice in the last half minute/minute of games when the Rangers were trying to close out a hard fought win. The point is that Rempe can become an NHL player if he continues to develop other areas of his game and the size, forechecking/hitting with the intimidation/fighting gives him the potential to be very much an asset if he can put all those things together. Mind you I think 4th line is his ceiling but if you look at our 4th line this year there's not much offense but they all kill penalties and are good away from the puck, can grind etc. etc. 4th line shouldn't be for just throwing guys out that we don't know what to do with such as Kravtsov, Gauthier.....it should be guys that can do the unappreciated jobs and add other qualities that maybe the rest of the team lacks.

Back to Rempe for a moment. In preseason games he was getting around the ice pretty well even if his skating is still a bit ugly. Some of that ugly comes from being 6'8 and gawky even though he's 240 lbs. He was getting in hits though and he hits hard. The last guy we had with similar size and game was Booggard and Rempe is already a better and a more rounded player.

Kocur actually had one season where he went 16G 20A 36P with 268PIM, 66G 66A 132P for his entire 14 year career because that one season was an outlier. So your point is well taken. Kocur was a legit NHLer IMO, even though he didn't really put up numbers.

 

[eco's bones]

Kocur actually had one season where he went 16G 20A 36P with 268PIM, 66G 66A 132P for his entire 14 year career because that one season was an outlier. So your point is well taken. Kocur was a legit NHLer IMO, even though he didn't really put up numbers.

Kocur legitimately scared a lot of people back in a time when the NHL was way more fierce than it is now. That said he didn't win all his fights. He lost a bunch. He was scary though because he actually hurt people from time to time. Rempe's done well against some legit guys but he doesn't always win either and so far he's not nearly as dangerous as a Kocur or a Booggard were. Also a lot of fights to me even now are not clear cut for either combatant. End of the day the value of such a player with that kind of size is more in the physical grinding and hitting if they can bring it game to game and in that regard Edstrom is a very physical player (like Brian Boyle was) if only because of similar size to Rempe's but also because he's played top level European hockey for a few years. Guys like that are a lot for a normal sized defenseman to deal with.

Fights are pretty occasional these days. The important thing regarding Rempe is if he can bring a forecheck and bang bodies about and be a good defensive player. The Rangers seem to like him though. They've played him in preseason games even prior to this year and this year he definitely made an impression on the coaching staff.

 

[egelband]

They also had guys like Colton Orr Ryan Hollweg Blair Betts on the 4th line younger players that were cheap not Barclay Goodrow Donald Brashear types that were older and more on the decline.

To be fair we only have one expensive Bottom Sixer. So I don’t think Drury is hugely negligent or misguided. And bringing in vets - especially with the flat cap - is sensible and cost-effective.
I’m just hoping to have our own sustainable pipeline of guys cycling in. Guys with more upside maybe and who can be moved at the right time to replenish the pipeline.

 

[bhamill]

Kocur legitimately scared a lot of people back in a time when the NHL was way more fierce than it is now. That said he didn't win all his fights. He lost a bunch. He was scary though because he actually hurt people from time to time. Rempe's done well against some legit guys but he doesn't always win either and so far he's not nearly as dangerous as a Kocur or a Booggard were. Also a lot of fights to me even now are not clear cut for either combatant. End of the day the value of such a player with that kind of size is more in the physical grinding and hitting if they can bring it game to game and in that regard Edstrom is a very physical player (like Brian Boyle was) if only because of similar size to Rempe's but also because he's played top level European hockey for a few years. Guys like that are a lot for a normal sized defenseman to deal with.

Fights are pretty occasional these days. The important thing regarding Rempe is if he can bring a forecheck and bang bodies about and be a good defensive player. The Rangers seem to like him though. They've played him in preseason games even prior to this year and this year he definitely made an impression on the coaching staff.

I’ll never forget when Kocur KO’d big Jim Kyte.. that was SCARY.
Rempe is still a kid I can see him becoming Booggard dangerous. But you’re right, he doesn’t HAVE to be to be effective in his role if he brings solid hitting and some defense.

 

[nyr2k2]

Every once in a while I like to go back and check in on some old prospects that are no longer affiliated with our organization.

Evan Vierling wasn't given a contract and is now playing in the ECHL. He has only played 2 games so he may have an injury, which he has unfortunately had problems with.

Hunter Skinner was traded for Tarasenko. He has 1 point in 7 AHL games this season for Springfield.

Leevi Aaltonen wasn't signed and is producing at his usual pace in Finland, with a line of 2-2-4 in 19 games.

Eric Ciccolini wasn't signed, and has 3 points in 8 games for Clarkson where he is playing as a graduate transfer.

Jakob Ragnarsson wasn't signed, and is still over in Sweden. He's hardly a star but has carved out a nice career for himself in Allsvenskan.

Joey Keane left the Carolina organization after basically a year and signed in the KHL, where he's a very good defenseman for Spartak. He's in his second season there.

Nico Gross went to Switzerland after we didn't sign him, and is a decent defensive defenseman for EV Zug. Hard to believe he's still just 23.

Riley Hughes wasn't signed and went to Ohio State as a graduate transfer where he has 2 assists in 6 games.

After Brandon Crawley was allowed to walk, he only played two more professional games with Syracuse in the AHL. He seems to have retired.

We let Calle Sjalin's rights expire, and then he had a career year in the SHL with 22 points in 46 games. Florida signed him to a contract, and he has been with their AHL affiliate since. He's pretty meh, was injured last year, and seems unlikely to earn another contract.

Dominik Lakatos had a disappointing D+1 and D+2, marred by attitude issues and fights with his coach in the Czech league. He eventually figured it out and is now a top player over there and is his team's captain.

Patrik Virta had a very strong D+1 with 40 points in 58 Liiga games but regressed the following year and wasn't signed. He spent a few additional season in Finland and is now in Germany.

Sean Day had a couple games with Tampa but is otherwise just another guy in the AHL.

Tarmo Reunanen also left Carolina after we traded him. He's back in Finland, playing at a high level.

Tim Gettinger signed with Detroit and has a line of 5-1-6 in 9 AHL games.

Gabriel Fontaine eventually made his way to Finland, where he is a scrub on the same team as Reunanen.

Tyler Wall spent last year with South Carolina in the ECHL where he was pretty decent. He signed on with Cardiff in the EIHL this year. He's the backup to an actual Brit.

Ty Ronning also made his way over to Germany mid-season last year, where he has a total of 21 points in 26 games between then and now. He plays with Zach Boychuck and Patrice Cormier, among others.

That's it. Going back further we'd have to look at blue chippers like Ryan Gropp and Brad Morrison, and I'm not going to f***ing do that.

(Gropp is in the German second division.)

 

[NYR Viper]

Fun fact, Adam Huska appears to have good stats in the KHL

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Every once in a while I like to go back and check in on some old prospects that are no longer affiliated with our organization.

Evan Vierling wasn't given a contract and is now playing in the ECHL. He has only played 2 games so he may have an injury, which he has unfortunately had problems with.

Hunter Skinner was traded for Tarasenko. He has 1 point in 7 AHL games this season for Springfield.

Leevi Aaltonen wasn't signed and is producing at his usual pace in Finland, with a line of 2-2-4 in 19 games.

Eric Ciccolini wasn't signed, and has 3 points in 8 games for Clarkson where he is playing as a graduate transfer.

Jakob Ragnarsson wasn't signed, and is still over in Sweden. He's hardly a star but has carved out a nice career for himself in Allsvenskan.

Joey Keane left the Carolina organization after basically a year and signed in the KHL, where he's a very good defenseman for Spartak. He's in his second season there.

Nico Gross went to Switzerland after we didn't sign him, and is a decent defensive defenseman for EV Zug. Hard to believe he's still just 23.

Riley Hughes wasn't signed and went to Ohio State as a graduate transfer where he has 2 assists in 6 games.

After Brandon Crawley was allowed to walk, he only played two more professional games with Syracuse in the AHL. He seems to have retired.

We let Calle Sjalin's rights expire, and then he had a career year in the SHL with 22 points in 46 games. Florida signed him to a contract, and he has been with their AHL affiliate since. He's pretty meh, was injured last year, and seems unlikely to earn another contract.

Dominik Lakatos had a disappointing D+1 and D+2, marred by attitude issues and fights with his coach in the Czech league. He eventually figured it out and is now a top player over there and is his team's captain.

Patrik Virta had a very strong D+1 with 40 points in 58 Liiga games but regressed the following year and wasn't signed. He spent a few additional season in Finland and is now in Germany.

Sean Day had a couple games with Tampa but is otherwise just another guy in the AHL.

Tarmo Reunanen also left Carolina after we traded him. He's back in Finland, playing at a high level.

Tim Gettinger signed with Detroit and has a line of 5-1-6 in 9 AHL games.

Gabriel Fontaine eventually made his way to Finland, where he is a scrub on the same team as Reunanen.

Tyler Wall spent last year with South Carolina in the ECHL where he was pretty decent. He signed on with Cardiff in the EIHL this year. He's the backup to an actual Brit.

Ty Ronning also made his way over to Germany mid-season last year, where he has a total of 21 points in 26 games between then and now. He plays with Zach Boychuck and Patrice Cormier, among others.

That's it. Going back further we'd have to look at blue chippers like Ryan Gropp and Brad Morrison, and I'm not going to f***ing do that.

(Gropp is in the German second division.)

Jayden Grubbe was dealt to Edmonton for a pick where he is currently playing for the AHL Bakersfield Condors.
In 9 games with the Condors he has 1 goal and 1 assist.