Post-Game Talk: 2023-2024 Leafs Roster/Changes/Turnovers & Replacement(s)

[francis246]

No... That's not true. He literally says he signing off on them "learning to win". Trotz listed off reasons what he saw improvement on from previous playoffs (1) stars were getting noses a little more dirty, stars were going to dirty areas more often and blocking shots (2) stars were making the simple play more often, not trying to force things.


You and a select few have been telling me this for the last 4 years. While you pumped Marner I repeatedly said he wasn't good.

You laughed then..4 year's ago. Whose been correct over those 4 years now that we can look back in hindsight? Was Marner Gretzky lite in these playoffs like you thought in the season?

When I said trade Marner for Eichel... You had laughed.

When I said trade Tkachuk for Marner... You laughed.

When I said he doesn't have the skillset for playoff hockey... You hadlaughed.

Safe to say, I don't care what you and the four other obsessed Marner fans think.. 70% say trade.
For all I care you can go back to the Marner appreciation thread and continue comparing Marner to Gretzky. Yes you all really compared Marner to Gretzky... I don't know if gets funnier than that.

Lmao I’m crying man. If us having a different opinion gets to you this much it’s time to log off and take a break.

You’re entitled to your opinion on here. It’s not about being right or wrong. I just genuinely don’t care LOL. Nothing anyone says on here holds any weight with the organization. You wanna trade Marner for Eichel? Cool! It’s not gonna happen just cause you said it on hf boards.

So I for one I’m not gonna waste my life bitching about something I have no control over and just enjoy the players we have until we don’t have them anymore. I’m certainly not gonna feel anyway from somebody I don’t know on the internet as well hahaha.

The funniest part is we all know Marner has flaws in his game. But to try and come on here and repeatedly say a 3x90 point player who is above PPG for his career, 2x first team all star, selke nominee is a bad player, you lose all credibility.

 

[Antropovsky]

Lmao I’m crying man. If us having a different opinion gets to you this much it’s time to log off and take a break.

You’re entitled to your opinion on here. It’s not about being right or wrong. I just genuinely don’t care LOL. Nothing anyone says on here holds any weight with the organization. You wanna trade Marner for Eichel? Cool! It’s not gonna happen just cause you said it on hf boards.

So I for one I’m not gonna waste my life bitching about something I have no control over and just enjoy the players we have until we don’t have them anymore. I’m certainly not gonna feel anyway from somebody I don’t know on the internet as well hahaha.

The funniest part is we all know Marner has flaws in his game. But to try and come on here and repeatedly say a 3x90 point player who is above PPG for his career, 2x first team all star, selke nominee is a bad player, you lose all credibility.

I'm not asking for your permission.

For four years, you and select others have told to shut up and sign off the internet, while you tried to sell that Marner was Gretzky like and the best player in the game and the best player on the team. You also said he was way better than Eichel and Tkachuk.

But here we are 4 years later and Eichel and Tkachuk out performed Marner substantially in the playoffs, and now we have a should Marner be traded thread. And 70% of people think he should be traded. There are also sports writers discussing it.

Do you still think Marner is gretzky like? Is he still the best player in the game and on the team... Is it still lol Marner is better than Tkachuk and Eichel? Why aren't you all still saying these things?... You were so confident then but now it's silence?

Because it's evident how stupid those claims were then. But it won't stop you from doing it again during his next season hot streak.

Here we are though.... Your now saying Marner "slows the game down"....And because I disagreed, it's back to the same old "lmao get off this board Marner hater!!!"

How did that play out the last 4 years? I've been certainly closer to right than you and the few others in your band.

Lol haha lmao emoticon emoticon (am I doing this lol thing right?)

 

[notDatsyuk]

You know tavares stay a good player, hes overpaid for sure but still a good player. Im fine with marner playing with tavares

You know reinhart was 1 of best 3 best offensive player of florida... was playing in 3rd line and was the foward with highest ice time in playoff. Playing on 3rd doesn't mean playing less

Nylander avoided area where he risk to be hit... the goal you talked about was on pp he was all alone resulting of a lucky bounce behind the net on forechecking... not what i called going in dirty area.... how many time did you see nylander going on traffic trying to screen, deflect the puck or whatever by paying the price in front of the net..

Where nylander is dangerous at 5v5 is off the rush... and he can still as dangerous playing in 3rd line

With about 50 minutes per game at even strength, Mitch and Willy get about 15 each, and the other two get about 9 each. So if they still get the same ice time, then either the top line only gets 10 minutes, or you're shuffling players all the time, which I think everyone agrees doesn't work.

Maybe better would be to move Willy to 2C with Mitch on the wing (if Willy can score 40 with nobody to skate with him and set him up, just think what he could do with Mitch), and move JT to 3C (and PP).

So the slot with a defenceman there isn't a 'dirty area' if it's Nylander? And of course you ignored the other goal. Yes, he avoids getting hit, but mainly by getting out of the way. Gretzky also avoided being hit - I guess you hated him too?

 

[ACC1224]

Lmao I’m crying man. If us having a different opinion gets to you this much it’s time to log off and take a break.

You’re entitled to your opinion on here. It’s not about being right or wrong. I just genuinely don’t care LOL. Nothing anyone says on here holds any weight with the organization. You wanna trade Marner for Eichel? Cool! It’s not gonna happen just cause you said it on hf boards.

So I for one I’m not gonna waste my life bitching about something I have no control over and just enjoy the players we have until we don’t have them anymore. I’m certainly not gonna feel anyway from somebody I don’t know on the internet as well hahaha.

The funniest part is we all know Marner has flaws in his game. But to try and come on here and repeatedly say a 3x90 point player who is above PPG for his career, 2x first team all star, selke nominee is a bad player, you lose all credibility.

Can’t lose what you never had.

 

[francis246]

Can’t lose what you never had.

I try and give everyone the benefit of the doubt lol

 

[the Mighty Oak]

I don't get how guys are pissed at Marner when we got Matthews, who wants to be the highest paid player in the league and he's nowhere near as good or dominate in the playoffs as Mcdavid, Leo ,Mac.

 

[ACC1224]

I don't get how guys are pissed at Marner when we got Matthews, who wants to be the highest paid player in the league and he's nowhere near as good or dominate in the playoffs as Mcdavid, Leo ,Mac.

Marner shot the puck over the glass 4 years ago.

 

[notbias]

Damnit, Dubas is trying to trade all of our picks again.

 

[57 Years No Cup]

I don't get how guys are pissed at Marner when we got Matthews, who wants to be the highest paid player in the league and he's nowhere near as good or dominate in the playoffs as Mcdavid, Leo ,Mac.

Cannot disagree.

 

[thusk]

With about 50 minutes per game at even strength, Mitch and Willy get about 15 each, and the other two get about 9 each. So if they still get the same ice time, then either the top line only gets 10 minutes, or you're shuffling players all the time, which I think everyone agrees doesn't work.

Maybe better would be to move Willy to 2C with Mitch on the wing (if Willy can score 40 with nobody to skate with him and set him up, just think what he could do with Mitch), and move JT to 3C (and PP).

So the slot with a defenceman there isn't a 'dirty area' if it's Nylander? And of course you ignored the other goal. Yes, he avoids getting hit, but mainly by getting out of the way. Gretzky also avoided being hit - I guess you hated him too?

Matthews played 281 shift at 5v5 on 1st
Nylander 283 on 2nd

Oreilly The difference is less than 1 shift by game... ohhow can this be possible!!!!!


The thing you just dont understand, you can move with your line up during a game...like after a penalty kill, you can come back with something like matthews-nylander like leafs already did all the time. When they need a goal, they can move up nylander or whatever...

For goal wich one you taljing about, the one he hadabsolutly nobody close of him in the slot

Or his 2nd one from peripheric where he just bypass montour from the outside?

 

[notDatsyuk]

Matthews played 281 shift at 5v5 on 1st
Nylander 283 on 2nd

Oreilly The difference is less than 1 shift by game... ohhow can this be possible!!!!!


The thing you just dont understand, you can move with your line up during a game...like after a penalty kill, you can come back with something like matthews-nylander like leafs already did all the time. When they need a goal, they can move up nylander or whatever...

For goal wich one you taljing about, the one he hadabsolutly nobody close of him in the slot

View attachment 720516

Or his 2nd one from peripheric where he just bypass montour from the outside?
View attachment 720517

Switching to number of shifts because you were wrong about ice time? And why Matty and Willy?

Seriously, your dislike of Willy is really clouding your judgement.

And wasting my time. No more.

 

[myleafs]

With about 50 minutes per game at even strength, Mitch and Willy get about 15 each, and the other two get about 9 each. So if they still get the same ice time, then either the top line only gets 10 minutes, or you're shuffling players all the time, which I think everyone agrees doesn't work.

Maybe better would be to move Willy to 2C with Mitch on the wing (if Willy can score 40 with nobody to skate with him and set him up, just think what he could do with Mitch), and move JT to 3C (and PP).

So the slot with a defenceman there isn't a 'dirty area' if it's Nylander? And of course you ignored the other goal. Yes, he avoids getting hit, but mainly by getting out of the way. Gretzky also avoided being hit - I guess you hated him too?

Comparing anyone on the leafs let alone Nylander to gretzky........

 

[thusk]

Switching to number of shifts because you were wrong about ice time? And why Matty and Willy?

Seriously, your dislike of Willy is really clouding your judgement.

And wasting my time. No more.

5v5

Matthews 19: 36
Marner 18:43
Nylander 16:59
Oreilly 16:56
Tavares 15:21

Totql
Matthews 22: 52at 5v5 25.5
Marner 24:08 at 5v5 26,8 shift
Nylander 18:45 at 5v525,7
Oreilly 19: 49at 5v5 25,1
Tavares 18:44 22,8 shift

So at the oreilly who played more than anyone of leafs second line.. wow how it is possible. You are not suppose to play as muxh a 3rdd line player!!!!

 

[United35]

I'm not asking for your permission.

For four years, you and select others have told to shut up and sign off the internet, while you tried to sell that Marner was Gretzky like and the best player in the game and the best player on the team. You also said he was way better than Eichel and Tkachuk.

But here we are 4 years later and Eichel and Tkachuk out performed Marner substantially in the playoffs, and now we have a should Marner be traded thread. And 70% of people think he should be traded. There are also sports writers discussing it.

Do you still think Marner is gretzky like? Is he still the best player in the game and on the team... Is it still lol Marner is better than Tkachuk and Eichel? Why aren't you all still saying these things?... You were so confident then but now it's silence?

Because it's evident how stupid those claims were then. But it won't stop you from doing it again during his next season hot streak.

Here we are though.... Your now saying Marner "slows the game down"....And because I disagreed, it's back to the same old "lmao get off this board Marner hater!!!"

How did that play out the last 4 years? I've been certainly closer to right than you and the few others in your band.

Lol haha lmao emoticon emoticon (am I doing this lol thing right?)

Marner has never had a Bobrovsky or a legitimate cup contending defence.

Let’s see how Marner does when he gets more games played in the playoffs. He doesn’t construct the roster.

Lastly, Tkachuck’s playoff stats prior to this season smell like Pepe le pew….

27 games, 7 goals, 8 assists, -11

And Eichel never played in the playoffs before this year, because of his teams roster construction, so give Marner a break already.

 

[geo25]

Lmao I’m crying man. If us having a different opinion gets to you this much it’s time to log off and take a break.

You’re entitled to your opinion on here. It’s not about being right or wrong. I just genuinely don’t care LOL. Nothing anyone says on here holds any weight with the organization. You wanna trade Marner for Eichel? Cool! It’s not gonna happen just cause you said it on hf boards.

So I for one I’m not gonna waste my life bitching about something I have no control over and just enjoy the players we have until we don’t have them anymore. I’m certainly not gonna feel anyway from somebody I don’t know on the internet as well hahaha.

The funniest part is we all know Marner has flaws in his game. But to try and come on here and repeatedly say a 3x90 point player who is above PPG for his career, 2x first team all star, selke nominee is a bad player, you lose all credibility.

I would have traded Marner with his flaws (esp for the Antr...one less Amigo to worry about...

I'm not asking for your permission.

For four years, you and select others have told to shut up and sign off the internet, while you tried to sell that Marner was Gretzky like and the best player in the game and the best player on the team. You also said he was way better than Eichel and Tkachuk.

But here we are 4 years later and Eichel and Tkachuk out performed Marner substantially in the playoffs, and now we have a should Marner be traded thread. And 70% of people think he should be traded. There are also sports writers discussing it.

Do you still think Marner is gretzky like? Is he still the best player in the game and on the team... Is it still lol Marner is better than Tkachuk and Eichel? Why aren't you all still saying these things?... You were so confident then but now it's silence?

Because it's evident how stupid those claims were then. But it won't stop you from doing it again during his next season hot streak.

Here we are though.... Your now saying Marner "slows the game down"....And because I disagreed, it's back to the same old "lmao get off this board Marner hater!!!"

How did that play out the last 4 years? I've been certainly closer to right than you and the few others in your band.

Lol haha lmao emoticon emoticon (am I doing this lol thing right?)

Why waste your time pointing out the obvious....should have shipped him out years ago....

 

[Antropovsky]

Marner has never had a Bobrovsky or a legitimate cup contending defence.

Let’s see how Marner does when he gets more games played in the playoffs. He doesn’t construct the roster.

Lastly, Tkachuck’s playoff stats prior to this season smell like Pepe le pew….

27 games, 7 goals, 8 assists, -11

And Eichel never played in the playoffs before this year, because of his teams roster construction, so give Marner a break already.

Leafs spent to the cap....beyond the cap actually because Oreillys contract was partially retained by others. They can't afford better goalies or defense. They spent all their money on forwards and three of those forwards are the highest paid players in the league. Higher than Eichel, higher than Tkachuk, higher than Pietrangelo, higher than Brobrovski...etc etc.

When you pay players too 5 wages, you except them to perform better than those who are paid less... And that will compensate for the weaknesses in goal and on defense.

But as you noted, the leafs aren't able to compensate! Meaning the pay structure isn't working!

 

[notDatsyuk]

Comparing anyone on the leafs let alone Nylander to gretzky........

Only as far as avoiding being hit. What an overreaction.

5v5

Matthews 19: 36
Marner 18:43
Nylander 16:59
Oreilly 16:56
Tavares 15:21

Totql
Matthews 22: 52at 5v5 25.5
Marner 24:08 at 5v5 26,8 shift
Nylander 18:45 at 5v525,7
Oreilly 19: 49at 5v5 25,1
Tavares 18:44 22,8 shift

So at the oreilly who played more than anyone of leafs second line.. wow how it is possible. You are not suppose to play as muxh a 3rdd line player!!!!

And now switching away for ES time. WOW. Forget it, it's not worth my time chasing you down rabbit holes.

 

[Leaf Rocket]

Damnit, Dubas is trying to trade all of our picks again.

even till this day I just dont trust the 4th period or David Pagnotta.

 

[ULF_55]

even till this day I just dont trust the 4th period or David Pagnotta.

They have to produce keystrokes to earn compensation.

Bunch of made up speculation here and everywhere else.

 

[ULF_55]

Only as far as avoiding being hit. What an overreaction.


And now switching away for ES time. WOW. Forget it, it's not worth my time chasing you down rabbit holes.

NHL.com has ice time.

It is reported by PP, ES, SH no reason for people to try and bias the facts.

Integrity isn't important to everyone.

 

[thusk]

Only as far as avoiding being hit. What an overreaction.


And now switching away for ES time. WOW. Forget it, it's not worth my time chasing you down rabbit holes.

I said 5v5 but its even strenght time ...
And its not one shift by game of 45 sec at even strenghtt who will make a huge difference at the end and like @ULF_55 said, you can watch at NHL.com pretty easily

Nylander is a tremendous pure offensive player who doesn't like physical play, who coming with defensive defiency and cheating in defensive zone. Thats does't nake him a worst player, its just what he is... hes a kind of kessel 2.0 who helped pittsburgh to win 2 cup.

Exemple marner... offensivly, its similar and i sont think marner is better offensivly. he doesnt like physical game too. The biggest difference between both its marner working harder... working harder on forecheck and defensivly

If leafs can find a way to keep nylander offensive impact and reducing nylander defensive defiency/ cheating.it will just be a win/win for everyone. Nylander will look better, leafs will look better...

With Matthews and marner on different line, they will draw greatest attention... exemple tampa will try to send point and cirelli line vs those 2 line... so nylander eill face exemple paul line... if hes doing something wrong defensivly, good chance thats doesn't hurt as much doing it vs paul or maroon line than kucherov or stamkos line who can make you pay every little mistake ( like this season ). If leafs dont pay as much on nylander defensive issues, leafs will trailing less during game and yes thats will increase nylander space playing in tie game or with a lead


5: Number of goal nylander get caught cheating this year vs tampa line

1st 2
2nd 3
3rd 0
4th 0

 

[ULF_55]

marner's issue is he thinks he's better than he is.

That is what causes the disastrous turnovers.

 

[Leaf Rocket]

marner's issue is he thinks he's better than he is.

That is what causes the disastrous turnovers.

He thinks about it that's for sure you can see it but yea pretty much.

Hopefully, we will see him rejuvenated.

 

[aingefan]

Dubas put all his eggs in the Triple Doubles' Baskets.

Dubas was too high on them.

How did that nickname not get more legs?
Well done.

 

[4thline]

I don't get how guys are pissed at Marner when we got Matthews,

Personally not really pissed at either of them, just re-signed pragmatism. Matthews and Nylander can be locked up long term now, and realistically they are a good enough 1-2 elite offensive punch if the rest of the mix is right. I hate the idea of Matthews being the highest paid player in the league, but as long as he's here you've got the centrepiece of a good/great team. Without him that gets much harder to thread the needle.