Post-Game Talk: 2023-2024 Leafs Roster/Changes/Turnovers & Replacement(s)

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You might be surprised to hear but Frank Seravalli on his Pod cast discussed the other day about a potential buyout of TJ Brodie for the very reason of Leafs new GM wanted to change up the Dcore and too many locked in contracts for next year.

The reason the buyout was discussed is because as mentioned earlier Brodie has a backloaded contract that pays him $7.5 mil in real dollars and in the last year of his contract so not easy to move but more beneficial to buyout.

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If Treliving follows Franks advice and buys out Brodie's he'll make Dave Nonis look like a genius GM by comparison
 

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If Treliving follows Franks advice and buys out Brodie's he'll make Dave Nonis look like a genius GM by comparison
While I doubt it would happen the idea has merit in that a buyout would come at a Zero cap hit in 2023-24 season and free up the entire $5 mil of Brodie Cap hit to spend towards a new TOP 4 dman as his replacement.

Say he wants to bring in his former Flame Dman he acquired in the past in Noah Hanifin who makes $4,950,000 next year,

Many sports talk show are talking about how Treliving likes to build from net out with a strong defense and that is his main target coming in and he currently has 6 dmen under contract.

As was mentioned on this board TJ Brodie is going get paid $7.5 mil in real money for a 34 year old Dman is not that easy to move.
 
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While I doubt it would happen the idea has merit in that a buyout would come at a Zero cap hit in 2023-24 season and free up the entire $5 mil of Brodie Cap hit to spend towards a new TOP 4 dman as his replacement.

Say he wants to bring in his former Flame Dman he acquired in the past in Noah Hanifin who makes $4,950,000 next year,

Many sports talk show are talking about how Treliving likes to build from net out with a strong defense and that is his main target coming in and he currently has 6 dmen under contract.

As was mentioned on this board TJ Brodie is going get paid $7.5 mil in real money for a 34 year old Dman is not that easy to move.
Pretty sure there are other ways to get that going than having Brodie being brought out though.
 

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While I doubt it would happen the idea has merit in that a buyout would come at a Zero cap hit in 2023-24 season and free up the entire $5 mil of Brodie Cap hit to spend towards a new TOP 4 dman as his replacement.

Say he wants to bring in his former Flame Dman he acquired in the past in Noah Hanifin who makes $4,950,000 next year,

Many sports talk show are talking about how Treliving likes to build from net out with a strong defense and that is his main target coming in and he currently has 6 dmen under contract.

As was mentioned on this board TJ Brodie is going get paid $7.5 mil in real money for a 34 year old Dman is not that easy to move.

Treliving will having 15-20 million to play with in the offseason depending on what he does with Murray. He should be able to find 5 million for Hanifin in that without burdening the team with a 2.5 million cap penalty next season after a Matthews extension as a result of a Brodie buyout.

Not to mention Brodie is still a top four D man, there should be more than a few interested GMs Wealthier teams won't care if his salary is higher than his caphit.

A Brodie buyout would be a very shakey start to the Treliving era
 

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Treliving will having 15-20 million to play with in the offseason depending on what he does with Murray. He should be able to find 5 million for Hanifin in that without burdening the team with a 2.5 million cap penalty next season after a Matthews extension as a result of a Brodie buyout.

Not to mention Brodie is still a top four D man, there should be more than a few interested GMs Wealthier teams won't care if his salary is higher than his caphit.

A Brodie buyout would be a very shakey start to the Treliving era
Where did you get 15-20 from Capfreindly says 9.1 million?
 

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Treliving will having 15-20 million to play with in the offseason depending on what he does with Murray. He should be able to find 5 million for Hanifin in that without burdening the team with a 2.5 million cap penalty next season after a Matthews extension as a result of a Brodie buyout.

Not to mention Brodie is still a top four D man, there should be more than a few interested GMs Wealthier teams won't care if his salary is higher than his caphit.

A Brodie buyout would be a very shakey start to the Treliving era

Leafs have 9.1 million for 10 players to sign or fill including RFA Samsonov. Whos going to want a raise
Samsonov will eat up most of that 9.1 million dollars
He'll need to get a 3rd line center
Kampf is going to ask for more than waht he got paid
Luke Schenn isn't coming back on league minimum

These are just for UFA replacements, not even upgrading yet. You want to upgrade to a PP specialist, which we should, that will cost you more
Dumba if you are chasing him he's going to ask 8-10 million

There are no takers for Murray, unless you add Robinson to the mix or a 1st rounder. 1st rounder whom we got for Sandin
Essentially to get rid of Murray it will cost you a Robertson or Sandin. Unless you buy him, he's not going anywhere ( Thanks Dubas)

A Brodie buy out maybe the only Treiv has
 
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Leafs have 9.1 million for 10 players to sign or fill including RFA Samsonov. Whos going to want a raise
Samsonov will eat up most of that 9.1 million dollars
He'll need to get a 3rd line center
Kampf is going to ask for more than waht he got paid
Luke Schenn isn't coming back on league minimum

These are just for UFA replacements, not even upgrading yet. You want to upgrade to a PP specialist, which we should, that will cost you more
Dumba if you are chasing him he's going to ask 8-10 million

There are no takers for Murray, unless you add Robinson to the mix or a 1st rounder. 1st rounder whom we got for Sandin
Essentially to get rid of Murray it will cost you a Robertson or Sandin. Unless you buy him, he's not going anywhere ( Thanks Dubas)

A Brodie buy out maybe the only Treiv has
Yep doobis really left a mess here for brad ... I'm still trying to figure out why Shanny wanted to extend doobis? He must realize by now he made a huge mistake hiring him as the gm in the first place.
 
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Wonder if Treliving would look to Calgary for a blockbuster deal? A big move that would bring Hanifin and Zadorov to Toronto.
 

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Where did you get 15-20 from Capfreindly says 9.1 million?

Muzzin will be LTIR'd, plus some RFAs will play for the Marlies gets the team to about 15 mil + 4.7 if they dump Murray via trade

pretty sure Brodie has value still

He was 2nd in average toi among Leafs D - which was a 111 point team, and made the second round. The idea that type of player is somehow worthless is just odd to say the least
 

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Keep him until the trade line, dump then. He likely ends up on LTIR anyway.
 

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He was 2nd in average toi among Leafs D - which was a 111 point team, and made the second round. The idea that type of player is somehow worthless is just odd to say the least
Gardner Hainsey and Zaitsev were the top three time on ice players on a 105 point team when the Big Three were teenagers ...
 

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Are we using off season ltir for muzzin? Cause that changes how the room is calculated going into the season a bit differently no

It aint 15 to 20 million until it is
 
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As of today, the Leafs have approximately $9.1 million to spend. Eventually putting Jake Muzzin on long-term injured reserve would free up another $5.6 million, while getting rid of the Matt Murray contract in full would put another $4.6 million on the table. No matter what unfolds, Treliving and assistant general manager Brandon Pridham will have to be crafty as they go about adding pieces.

When not considering the defence corps, the Leafs need to add depth at forward, and if they can unload Murray, adding another goalie with some NHL experience would be wise.

One defenceman who would look good in a Leafs uniform is Dmitry Orlov, who would fit the kind of mould that Treliving constructed in Calgary. The question is could the Leafs afford to get in a bidding war for Orlov, who is probably going to command four or five years with an annual average value north of $6 million? No.

There are other defencemen in free agency who could be attractive to the Leafs. A glance at some:

Scott Mayfield

Justin Holl, who is not expected back, led the Leafs in ice time while the club was short-handed, and the 6-foot-5, 220-pound Mayfield, most recently with the New York Islanders, could fill that void. Like Holl, Mayfield plays the right side, and like Holl, Mayfield was his team’s busiest penalty killer. Pain isn’t an issue for Mayfield, who was 10th in the NHL in blocked shots with 168.

Radko Gudas

The bearded one would have to make nice with goalie Joseph Woll after screaming in his face when Florida eliminated the Leafs, but with the physical manner in which Gudas plays the game, Woll likely would have a short memory. Gudas hits as often as some people breathe, a quality that the Leafs need on the back end.

Connor Clifton

Another righty, Clifton led Boston in hits last season and was second among Bruins in blocked shots. The 28-year-old isn’t huge at 5-foot-11 and 190 pounds, but has the kind of grit in his game that would serve the Leafs well.

Ryan Graves

Another good penalty killer, the idea of signing the 28-year-old Graves might be asking for too much. The Nova Scotia native could benefit from the deletions of Severson and Gavrikov from free agency, and as such, might be priced out of the Leafs’ range. There is some physicality in his game and a penchant for blocking shooting lanes.

Carson Soucy

The 6-foot-5 Soucy was sixth among Seattle D-men in total ice time, but was trusted enough to work on the Kraken’s second pairing on the penalty kill. He will turn 29 before the end of the summer, so age remains on his side. Prior speculation has linked Soucy’s name to Toronto.

Matt Dumba

A fresh look would be a good look for Dumba, who has played all of his 598 NHL games with Minnesota. His best offensive days are behind him, though he would bring value from the right side. Like Graves, the price tag could wind up being too high.

Oliver Ekman-Larsson

Is the man known as OEL, bought out by Vancouver, as effective as he once was? No. Could he provide minutes at a reduced cost? Yes.
 
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Button: Leafs need to change the mix on defence; Pesce would be a great fit - TSN.ca

TSN Director of Scouting Craig Button joins SC with Jay Onrait to discuss some intriguing names on the Trade Bait board, the direction the Canucks are going in with their defence, if buying out T.J. Brodie makes sense for the Maple Leafs, and more.
I like Pesce.. but if he's not going to extend with Carolina, as they can't come to terms on a contract... what's he asking for? $6.5 mil? Great D guy, but not particularly physical.. He'd be a good replacement for Brodie, that's for sure.

Button thinks Brodie buyout makes some sense.... then he says Leafs could use a "different type" of D man... change things... a few minutes after saying Leafs and Pesce would be a fit... when Brodie and Pesce are actually very similar... weird.
 

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Gardiner and Hainsey would have garnered nice trade returns if the Leafs had decided to trade them. Brodie's stats are better than all three beside toi too
Well, he did play the most minutes with Rielly Matthews Marner Bunting and wille and a 55% ozone start. Now, playing with those guys. How do you think that affected his stats If that's how you wanna judge a player? Is it possible hockey stats are flawed to judge a player and shouldn't be used?
 

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I keep forgetting that TOR has their key players under contract for another season.

It seems more daunting then maybe it actually is.

Yes they have 10 players walking away, but maybe nothing bold needs to occur other then wasted cap being spent on Murray. Is it not possible that Murray might be ltir for the season? Muzzin? Is he done?

BT seems to be going in the right direction for now negotiating with Matthews.

Is the concern level lower than it appears?
 

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Well I heard last night they are keeping Murray next year due to his 8m pay package next season being too costly to move out .. so it may mean Sammy is gone unless he takes a 1 year smaller deal (i hope so) .. then Murray goes on waivers and gets sent down to minors to knock off another 1m in CAP or better yet gets hurt and sits season on LTIR
 

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Leafs have 9.1 million for 10 players to sign or fill including RFA Samsonov. Whos going to want a raise
Samsonov will eat up most of that 9.1 million dollars
He'll need to get a 3rd line center
Kampf is going to ask for more than waht he got paid
Luke Schenn isn't coming back on league minimum

These are just for UFA replacements, not even upgrading yet. You want to upgrade to a PP specialist, which we should, that will cost you more
Dumba if you are chasing him he's going to ask 8-10 million

There are no takers for Murray, unless you add Robinson to the mix or a 1st rounder. 1st rounder whom we got for Sandin
Essentially to get rid of Murray it will cost you a Robertson or Sandin. Unless you buy him, he's not going anywhere ( Thanks Dubas)

A Brodie buy out maybe the only Treiv has

PROJECTED CAP HIT
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: $74,356,450​

PROJECTED LTIR USED
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: $0​

PROJECTED CAP SPACE
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: $9,143,550​

PRE-SEASON LTIR CANDIDATE ESTIMATES:

CAP HIT OF LTIR CANDIDATES
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: $5,625,000​

CAP SPACE WITH LTIR CANDIDATES
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: $14,768,550​

CURRENT CAP SPACE
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: $9,143,550
DEADLINE CAP SPACE
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: $42,517,508
TODAY'S CAP HIT
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: $74,356,450
ROSTER SIZE: 15/23
CONTRACTS: 33/50
RESERVE LIST: 47/90
INJURIES: 3
GENERAL MANAGER: Brad Treliving
HEAD COACH: Sheldon Keefe

currently on cap friendly we only need to sign 5 guys with the 9.1 not 10 and if Muzzin is LTIR we have 14.7 to sign 5 guys not sure why your picture is so negative towards our cap the minimum we need is 5 forwards as 6 Dmen and 2 goalie's are already under contract. and if we move Murray we could have even more space. and with those 5 forwards don't unclude Nik Robertson who I believe should get a shot and Holmberg who should also get a shot to start so our cap situation is actually pretty decent.
 
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While I doubt it would happen the idea has merit in that a buyout would come at a Zero cap hit in 2023-24 season and free up the entire $5 mil of Brodie Cap hit to spend towards a new TOP 4 dman as his replacement.

Say he wants to bring in his former Flame Dman he acquired in the past in Noah Hanifin who makes $4,950,000 next year,

Many sports talk show are talking about how Treliving likes to build from net out with a strong defense and that is his main target coming in and he currently has 6 dmen under contract.

As was mentioned on this board TJ Brodie is going get paid $7.5 mil in real money for a 34 year old Dman is not that easy to move.

While we may want to move on from Brodie because we want bigger/stronger d-men, that doesnt make him a buy-out candidate at all.
Cap hit is all that matters, as a bottom feeder wouldnt want/need Brodie, but at his cap hit, he's still a great 'defender'

He is very tradeable for picks/prospects, late first, couple of seconds at the min, potential draft day option.

St Louis is rumored to want to move one of Parayko or Faulk, who are both on move expensive cap hits and longer deals...
Brodie could be an interesting piece for them in return to free up cap space this season and next, while depending on which one we got, either a decent bump in Offense with Faulk, or the huge 2-way Parayko (long deal).

Ristolainen could also be a strange option as he doesnt have the best rep as a defender, but, he's big with a mean streak, and Phi may even eat a little salary in a straight swap for Brodie.
...Pair him with McCabe and that could be an interesting duo, but with Rielly, a nightmare.
 
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