You're forgetting Murphy. The last two years of the Tavares contract... Dealing with the Matthews contract and soon to be the marner contract and this is with a team 4 years post rebuild And not at the end of a rebuild.
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Menzinger
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Brodie is an odd contract to fixate on. He's still probably going to be a top four D man for the team. His contract also ends before the Matthews and Nylander extensions (if they get them) kick in.
Not exactly a problem here
Not exactly a problem here
BertCorbeau
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So he’s faced with having only 1 player signed beyond 2 years, having to decide which core players he wants to re-sign, while having no long term boat anchor contracts?
Truly a terrible situation
Definitely bigger issues, but when you are looking at improving our defence, you have to look at where he would fit in a new and improved D corps.
If we are looking to get a 1RHD, Brodie has to be looked at. He did not play well in the playoffs, he makes $5m, he's going to be 34, and he will be a UFA next year.
If we are able to improve our defence and bring in a true RHD, it's just smart asset management to move Brodie while he has value, get an asset, and free up $5m in cap space. Add to it that Treliving has already let Brodie walk as a UFA and traded him already, and it's kind of apparent what's going to happen here, so why lose him for nothing?
Our defence isn't good enough, and while Brodie may not be the biggest problem, I don't see him as a long-term solution for us moving forward. We can definitely do worse, but we need to do better.
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Brodie, McCabe, Gio, Tavares, Murray, Jarnkrok…
All he had to do was trade a few guys, left a few expire , draft and develop, and in year three and four ramp it up with FA.
They can use Marlies this season rather signing a FA just to fill out a roster spot.
I was comparing the situation that Dubis was left with. and what the new GM is left with now. since the guy i replied to thinks the Marlo contract was a massive issue when the team was not even a legit contender.
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DUbas had all the tools for the puzzle and got to the second (2nd) round
Dubas inherited the perfect situation. 3 stars still on ELCs including a generational talent. Rielly and Kadri on great contracts and a 26 year old superstar UFA who wants to sign with your team. Even Mike Milbury could have won a cup with that
Yep, Dubis had a bunch of young stars. prospects and draft picks. He was just too inexperienced to build a complete team and figure out a system to win in the playoffs. He had five offseasons, five trade deadlines and he couldn't figure it out.
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The NEW GM would like to make changes to the team particularly on defense.
With Rielly, Brodie, McCabe, Liljegren and Gio under contract and trying to re-sign Schenn that means the only change is walking away from Justin Holl, but still have 6 Dmen under contract, so where is the change coming from?
Treliving inherited both Gio and Brodie with the Calgary job and walk away from both when their were Flames.. He joked about Gio age in hopes he might retire but he only has a $800k contract so not much cap space to bring in a difference maker. So ideally you trade Brodie and his $5 mil cap and use his Cap space to being in a new Top 6 Dman.
His hands are tied at every turn so he will need to get creative to make roster changes that will be difference makers. The days of bring back the same core and simply swapping deck chairs around in the bottom 6 forwards hopefully are behind us.
I'd like to see Luke Schenn re-signed as he and Rielly brought out the best of each other as a pairing in the playoffs & 2 new guys at the expense of Gio, Brodie and Holl.
Rielly ----------- Schenn (Re-signed)
McCabe -------- XXXXX
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The only truly bad contract you listed is Murray.
Brodie had a bad playoff, not season.
GMs can make trades, especially since some of those players are good and have good contracts.
Treliving walked away from both Brodie and Gio and his team is worse for it.
Why are you worried about Gio's cap hit? The fact you are fixating on a 100% buriable cap hit seems pointless to me.
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In his 5th attempt and won 5 playoff games in a single playoff year, where 16 games are required to hoist a Cup.
The 2nd year expansion Seattle Kraken went to game #7 of round 2 winning 7 games this year, and Vegas in their 6th season hoisted the Cup.
If grading on the Bell curve the Leafs performance is a Fail even compared to performance of teams that just started while our GM was floundering along.
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There's not a single D man on the team that Treliving can't trade, with the exception of Rielly with his NMC, and Muzzin who will be LTIR'd. I don't see him having his hands tied at all. He can have 6 new defenders on this team by the end of July 1st if he wants.
He also has 15 million in capspace to play with, with potentially more to come if some of those trades happen.
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But is it worth more to play him this year or acquire an asset that might be able to play in a couple of years?
Matthews, Nylander , Marner, Rielly and Knies have value on the ice and as tradable resource. You might include Woll.
Other than that no one can play and worth next to nothing in a trade.
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2 years of McCabe at bottom pairing cap hit = having your hands tied apparently.
UFA isn't great this year, the cap looks like it's going to raise a mill, we're needing to replace a ton of players and the core guys are starting to need new deals
I'm not going to cry for the guy because that's the job but he's going to be doing a lot of work this off-season and there's plenty of ways he can **** things up
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True, money isn’t a problem with Brodie, but his return is more valuable than he is to this team.
Menzinger
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I think Lily, McCabe, Timmins and Brodie could be all traded for positive returns.
A fair case can be made for a Brodie trade if Treliving looks to shake up the D core in particular. Ideally he could be moved for a guy to fill the 3C role
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If they run the same core and coach back they must be happy with that core and coach.
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He has no choice but to shakeup the D, it’s terrible. I would be shopping Rielly, even though he was their best player in the playoffs he may not be when they’re ready to compete.
Reilly McCabe Liljegren are solid
Schenn as #6 is good leaving a #2 and 4/5
OEL on the cheap fills the 4/5
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McCabe Liljegren
OEL Schenn
Schenn as #6 is good leaving a #2 and 4/5
OEL on the cheap fills the 4/5
Reilly
McCabe Liljegren
OEL Schenn
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McCabe and Liljegren are too slow for good teams. They’d be fine this year, but they can be around if they want to try and win at some point
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Dubas is in Pits because they believe he can sway someone his way from the Leafs in free agency. That's one of the factors I believe were on their minds at the time of hiring.
This is extremely wrong
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