Post-Game Talk: 2023-2024 Leafs Roster/Changes/Turnovers & Replacement(s)

[hockeywiz542]

32 Thoughts: The real question facing new Maple Leafs GM Brad Treliving

Will Ryan Smith bring a team to Salt Lake City? What's next on the Senators' ownership timeline? And what will be the fallout from the Brad Treliving and Kyle Dubas hirings? Elliotte Friedman has that and more in this edition of 32 Thoughts.

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6. One Toronto source said something very interesting on Thursday: the true tell to whether the Maple Leafs core stays together is more about their contract wishes than anything else. As I’ve said many times, I believe Matthews will extend, but not at maximum term (could be anywhere from three to six years, I’d guess). Treliving’s true challenge is trying to get it done before July 1, when his no-trade clause kicks in. It’s going to be a big number, likely the highest AAV in the NHL. So, the question then becomes: what does that mean for Mitch Marner and William Nylander? I think that’s the real question.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Marner pratically had 1 pts/60 over at 5v5 than nylander both regular season and playoff last 2 and we didn't talk about defensive impact... just just same kind of scoring stats, just with defensive impact of marner, his impact is higher than nylander but you had the fact he had a pts/every 60 minutes played over nylander... i just dont know how you cant say Marner had been a better 5v5 player...

And please dont tell me its because hes playing with tavares... yes hes overpay but still a pretty good player. We dont talk like he was playing with kampf and lafferty in a top 6


more leafs reach playoff year after year and worst Nylander was at 5v5. For me, its something extremely concerning because its starting with a huge lack of commitment in defenside side or on forecheck

So yes and after you talking about even strenght but even strenght mean 3v3, 4v4, 6v5 too so when you having more space on the ice ... kind of situation who will not happen if ref stop calling penalty in playoff...

If you take serie vs florida 20 penalty had been calling...so avering 10 pp by team 2 pp by game... so at best 4 min of pp and few time at 4v4 or 6v5.... so about +/- 5 min/ game leafs will play situation where nylander is in situation where hes better and 55 min where marner is a better player

Yes, you can't see it and keep trying to change the story every time I show you're wrong, so I won't waste any more time.

Again - THE END.

 

[57 Years No Cup]

32 Thoughts: The real question facing new Maple Leafs GM Brad Treliving

Will Ryan Smith bring a team to Salt Lake City? What's next on the Senators' ownership timeline? And what will be the fallout from the Brad Treliving and Kyle Dubas hirings? Elliotte Friedman has that and more in this edition of 32 Thoughts.

www.sportsnet.ca

6. One Toronto source said something very interesting on Thursday: the true tell to whether the Maple Leafs core stays together is more about their contract wishes than anything else. As I’ve said many times, I believe Matthews will extend, but not at maximum term (could be anywhere from three to six years, I’d guess). Treliving’s true challenge is trying to get it done before July 1, when his no-trade clause kicks in. It’s going to be a big number, likely the highest AAV in the NHL. So, the question then becomes: what does that mean for Mitch Marner and William Nylander? I think that’s the real question.

If he wants that, trade him. Why would we pay more for the same failure?

 

[Ianturnedbull]

If he wants that, trade him. Why would we pay more for the same failure?

Because Toronto are not rebuilding. They are in a win now situation. They are too good and too talented not to go back to the post season again. Toronto has no centers coming through the pipeline. It's inevitable that one or two of the "4-core" would have to be moved due to JT, and an AM raise. I'm like you. I want blood. Matthews is not my fave Leaf. What choice is there. It's unrealistic to think we are going to tank now.

 

[ULF_55]

32 Thoughts: The real question facing new Maple Leafs GM Brad Treliving

Will Ryan Smith bring a team to Salt Lake City? What's next on the Senators' ownership timeline? And what will be the fallout from the Brad Treliving and Kyle Dubas hirings? Elliotte Friedman has that and more in this edition of 32 Thoughts.

www.sportsnet.ca

6. One Toronto source said something very interesting on Thursday: the true tell to whether the Maple Leafs core stays together is more about their contract wishes than anything else. As I’ve said many times, I believe Matthews will extend, but not at maximum term (could be anywhere from three to six years, I’d guess). Treliving’s true challenge is trying to get it done before July 1, when his no-trade clause kicks in. It’s going to be a big number, likely the highest AAV in the NHL. So, the question then becomes: what does that mean for Mitch Marner and William Nylander? I think that’s the real question.

Excuse me?

They can't get it done before July 1st.

Unless they mean they have good discussions before July 1st., but they can't get it done.

July 1st. everything changes, as Matthews will decide at that point if he wants to stay regardless of what discussions they have before July 1st.

They have to trade him before July 1st., or have faith that he signs.

 

[jiggy35]

Quite prefer the rumoured marner to Hurricanes.

What’s the rumour?

 

[Gabriel426]

Excuse me?

They can't get it done before July 1st.

Unless they mean they have good discussions before July 1st., but they can't get it done.

July 1st. everything changes, as Matthews will decide at that point if he wants to stay regardless of what discussions they have before July 1st.

They have to trade him before July 1st., or have faith that he signs.

or just signed him to a pre-dated contract.

 

[ULF_55]

What’s the rumour?

I've heard variations, both include a Top defender, one includes a young top forward.

One was Slavin one was Pesce.

 

[jiggy35]

I've heard variations, both include a Top defender, one includes a young top forward.

One was Slavin one was Pesce.

It’s interesting. Slavic seems super unlikely. Source?

Edit: Pesce + TT would be a good base … with like at least 2 1sts or top prospect from Carolina as well

 

[jiggy35]

I've heard variations, both include a Top defender, one includes a young top forward.

One was Slavin one was Pesce.

But also to entertain myself,

Marner + Brodie for Slavin + TT

 

[mydnyte]

I've heard variations, both include a Top defender, one includes a young top forward.

One was Slavin one was Pesce.

Slavin and Pesce are not really comparable.
its not quite Reilly vs Holl difference, but, its a pretty big gap
kinda like Hedman vs Cernak ...while Cernak is very good and valuable to the team, he's no Hedman

 

[Ziggdiezan]

32 Thoughts: The real question facing new Maple Leafs GM Brad Treliving

Will Ryan Smith bring a team to Salt Lake City? What's next on the Senators' ownership timeline? And what will be the fallout from the Brad Treliving and Kyle Dubas hirings? Elliotte Friedman has that and more in this edition of 32 Thoughts.

www.sportsnet.ca

6. One Toronto source said something very interesting on Thursday: the true tell to whether the Maple Leafs core stays together is more about their contract wishes than anything else. As I’ve said many times, I believe Matthews will extend, but not at maximum term (could be anywhere from three to six years, I’d guess). Treliving’s true challenge is trying to get it done before July 1, when his no-trade clause kicks in. It’s going to be a big number, likely the highest AAV in the NHL. So, the question then becomes: what does that mean for Mitch Marner and William Nylander? I think that’s the real question.

It's pretty unbelievable that Matthews will get a raise to the highest paid player in the league after a pretty poor season by his standards.

The cap rise coming soon better be big as this team has already struggled with depth, if guys like Matthews and Marner resign for even more money this team will be f***ed

 

[Larcos_Unal]

Excuse me?

They can't get it done before July 1st.

Unless they mean they have good discussions before July 1st., but they can't get it done.

July 1st. everything changes, as Matthews will decide at that point if he wants to stay regardless of what discussions they have before July 1st.

They have to trade him before July 1st., or have faith that he signs.

You need a handshake agreement on term and dollars by June 15th otherwise things get real nuts.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

I've heard variations, both include a Top defender, one includes a young top forward.

One was Slavin one was Pesce.

Makes sense in general .. Mitch to canes for Slavin, Jarvis and a 2023 pick .. gives Canes more offense and gives us more defense and a couple young guys one of whom can play today .. plus free up CAP space to add more of what we need in playoffs

 

[ULF_55]

Slavin and Pesce are not really comparable.
its not quite Reilly vs Holl difference, but, its a pretty big gap
kinda like Hedman vs Cernak ...while Cernak is very good and valuable to the team, he's no Hedman

That was in the rumour/proposal/discussion ... that's why the one indicated a top young forward with defender X, and not with defender Y.
It wasn't from anyone inside the Leafs/'Canes, but seemed to have been brought to life after discussion about what the 'Canes had to do to get over the hump.

 

[ULF_55]

You need a handshake agreement on term and dollars by June 15th otherwise things get real nuts.

I read a saying, in about 1975, it was in a book with quotes/saying, and one I remember, "If it isn't in writing, tear it up and throw it away."

 

[mikeyz]

We never missed the playoffs in the Dubas era

I could have been the GM inheriting what Dubas inherited and they wouldn't have missed the playoffs.

 

[mydnyte]

That was in the rumour/proposal/discussion ... that's why the one indicated a top young forward with defender X, and not with defender Y.
It wasn't from anyone inside the Leafs/'Canes, but seemed to have been brought to life after discussion about what the 'Canes had to do to get over the hump.

the young forward is likely Necas, or Jarvis ...both look really good but Jarvis has had pretty bad puck luck (could be lack of finishing touch).

I couldnt imagine getting a player of that quality & Slavin back, even for Marner.
However, if it were one of those 2, and Pesce, that would be a deal we would almost have to make.

Necas would be the obvious target as a bigger C, who could slot in at #2 but, also why the Canes would want to exclude him.

 

[Larcos_Unal]

I could have been the GM inheriting what Dubas inherited and they wouldn't have missed the playoffs.

100%

 

[authentic]

I could have been the GM inheriting what Dubas inherited and they wouldn't have missed the playoffs.

That may be true, just corrected the poster who said otherwise

Although I think maybe they're referring to the COVID shortened season where they technically didn't make it past the qualifying round against a non playoff team

 

[keonsbitterness]

I read a saying, in about 1975, it was in a book with quotes/saying, and one I remember, "If it isn't in writing, tear it up and throw it away."

That's where trust comes into it.

 

[57 Years No Cup]

Because Toronto are not rebuilding. They are in a win now situation. They are too good and too talented not to go back to the post season again. Toronto has no centers coming through the pipeline. It's inevitable that one or two of the "4-core" would have to be moved due to JT, and an AM raise. I'm like you. I want blood. Matthews is not my fave Leaf. What choice is there. It's unrealistic to think we are going to tank now.

I didn't suggest "tanking" at all. I suggested that Matthews is a playoff loser that ain't worth what he is paid, let alone a raise.

Which is true.

Trade him and use the cap space and returns for playoff ready players.

Excuse me?

They can't get it done before July 1st.

Unless they mean they have good discussions before July 1st., but they can't get it done.

July 1st. everything changes, as Matthews will decide at that point if he wants to stay regardless of what discussions they have before July 1st.

They have to trade him before July 1st., or have faith that he signs.

Yup.

 

[notDatsyuk]

I read a saying, in about 1975, it was in a book with quotes/saying, and one I remember, "If it isn't in writing, tear it up and throw it away."

A verbal contract ain't worth the paper it's written on.

 

[Fogelhund]

Makes sense in general .. Mitch to canes for Slavin, Jarvis and a 2023 pick .. gives Canes more offense and gives us more defense and a couple young guys one of whom can play today .. plus free up CAP space to add more of what we need in playoffs

Works for me.

Boston 1st, Brodie, Murray to Arizona for Jack McBain
Sign Bertuzzi, Comtois, Acciari, Schenn, RoR as UFA
Extend Holmberg, Samsanov

I'm still at $9.3 mil in cap space... with 22 players signed....

 

[keonsbitterness]

I didn't suggest "tanking" at all. I suggested that Matthews is a playoff loser that ain't worth what he is paid, let alone a raise.

Which is true.

Trade him and use the cap space and returns for playoff ready players.

Such as?