Post-Game Talk: 2023-2024 Leafs Roster/Changes/Turnovers & Replacement(s)

[notDatsyuk]

You are just so focus on 1 serie without taking in consideration he had been trash 2 of last 3 series

Last year 4 of 7 game he didnt recorded a single point... and 1 of those 3 game we saw a little bit nylander it was when leafs already trailed 5-0 with game out of reach... he had been trash 5 of 7 game...

This season he was awful against tampa... was on the ice for over 50% of lightning even strenght goal. He was by far the worst even strenght player of both team...

He as better against florida but in a serie he should be best leafs foward ( whats you said) hes only get 2 goal and an assist... and you talked about him like he was fantastic in that serie... he was okay, nothing else

Marner played 15:25 min at event strenght vs 14:44, not enough to really have any impact ice time is not an excuse

And EVERYBODY is agree than Matthews and marner was not good enough in second round but its also where the problem is... when matthews/marner didnt lead the way, nobody doing it

Just name me 1 winning team whos unable to win when his 1st line didn't score? Normally when its happen because its sure its will happen a moment or an other, when you first line didnt scored, you need the rest of your team to step up...


Number of game last 2 season won by leafs when matthews/marner didn't scored? 0

Actually, I was responding to your post about that one series. No mention of the fact that I had been talking about 7 years and you're only looking at two?

Ok, last three series, he was second in goals and PP points, and third in assists, points, and even strength points, while being third in ES ice time (most of it with Tavares) and fourth in PP time.

True, Matthews and Marner didn't "lead the way" in the second round, but is that any reason to complain about the one forward who did?

 

[thusk]

Actually, I was responding to your post about that one series. No mention of the fact that I had been talking about 7 years and you're only looking at two?

Ok, last three series, he was second in goals and PP points, and third in assists, points, and even strength points, while being third in ES ice time (most of it with Tavares) and fourth in PP time.

True, Matthews and Marner didn't "lead the way" in the second round, but is that any reason to complain about the one forward who did?

Yes he was good in pp, thats why i said hes an pp guy...

"lead the way"They are no foward who did it, thats what i said... marner and matthews didnt so nobody did it... starting to play harder when youre down 3-0 in a serie, its not my definition of lead the way

 

[notDatsyuk]

Yes he was good in pp, thats why i said hes an pp guy...

"lead the way"They are no foward who did it, thats what i said... marner and matthews didnt so nobody did it... starting to play harder when youre down 3-0 in a serie, its not my definition of lead the way

So you look at what I post and comment on one small part - the PP - while ignoring all the rest that also proves my point.

I know you said no forwards led the way, but that's just not true. Just because your particular favourites didn't, it doesn't mean nobody did, and the suggestion that he only started to play harder in the fourth game shows wilful blindness on your part.

 

[thusk]

So you look at what I post and comment on one small part - the PP - while ignoring all the rest that also proves my point.

I know you said no forwards led the way, but that's just not true. Just because your particular favourites didn't, it doesn't mean nobody did, and the suggestion that he only started to play harder in the fourth game shows wilful blindness on your part.

He played one good period game 2 and 2 good game... and the end, still only get 2 goal 1 assist in 5 game, its 0.6 pts by game -2 at even strenght... its not enough to say hes leading the way

If you talked about everything not in scoring sheet... he had 17 scoring chance 9 HDCF... Matthews pratically had 2X nylander scoring chance... was much more implicated physically and much more in dirty area... was blocking and work most much harder defensivly too... so if we dont watch acoring sheet, its matthews whos leading the way...

I just dont know where you want to go

 

[notDatsyuk]

He played one good period game 2 and 2 good game... and the end, still only get 2 goal 1 assist in 5 game, its 0.6 pts by game -2 at even strenght... its not enough to say hes leading the way

If you talked about everything not in scoring sheet... he had 17 scoring chance 9 HDCF... Matthews pratically had 2X nylander scoring chance... was much more implicated physically and much more in dirty area... was blocking and work most much harder defensivly too... so if we dont watch acoring sheet, its matthews whos leading the way...

I just dont know where you want to go

I have no idea.

You complain about me using small samples, but to keep using even smaller ones.

You keep switching back and forth between Marner and Matthews, depending on which you think supports your narrative better.

You keep pretending your opinion is fact, even after I have shown facts that disprove it several times.

I guess we just have to "agree to disagree".

 

[PromisedLand]

after the draft they gotta fire wes clark

Lou canned him for a reason before dubas re-hired him and made him head of scouting.

Treliving gotta bring in his own people and establish some rules

 

[sxvnert]

Lou canned him for a reason

because he walked in the dressing room when Lou told him its out of bounds for non players.

 

[thusk]

I have no idea.

You complain about me using small samples, but to keep using even smaller ones.

You keep switching back and forth between Marner and Matthews, depending on which you think supports your narrative better.

You keep pretending your opinion is fact, even after I have shown facts that disprove it several times.

I guess we just have to "agree to disagree".

My 1st point was marner is a better 5v5 man and nylander a better player when he have space like pp, 4v4, 3v3 or 6v5 ... but at the end to go far in the playoff and you needed to chose between both, i will always choose 5v5 because closer you are of stanley cup, less penalty been called so youre better have a great 2way 5v5 player than a pp specialist ...

 

[ULF_55]

I have no idea.

You complain about me using small samples, but to keep using even smaller ones.

You keep switching back and forth between Marner and Matthews, depending on which you think supports your narrative better.

You keep pretending your opinion is fact, even after I have shown facts that disprove it several times.

I guess we just have to "agree to disagree".

Matthews and marner combined for 1 goal against Montreal and 1 goal against Florida.

 

[ULF_55]

Updated roster on this premise:
Knies 0.9 - Matthews 11.6 - Killorn 5.0
Robertson 0.9 - Tavares 11.0 - Marner 10.6
Wood/UFA 1.5 - RoR 5.5 - Acciari 1.5
Lafferty 1.2 - Holmberg 0.8 - Jarnkrok 2.1
McMann/Marlie 0.8

Hanifin 4.9 - Orlov 6.0
Rielly 7.5 - Schenn 1.5
McCabe 2.0 - Liljegren 1.4
Timmins 1.1

Samsonov 3.5
Woll 0.8

Key moves:
Hanifin for Nylander
Brodie for draft picks
Orlov, Killorn primary UFA targets, returnees RoR and Acciari - the focus on bringing in veteran cup-winning talent was indeed and good move by Dubas, the vibe Treliving gives off kind of supports this. Looks like quite a mature team but still with young talent, opportunities for upgrades / adaptations across the season while still tight to the cap.

Feels balanced, especially the d pairs.

Quite prefer the rumoured marner to Hurricanes.

 

[WTFMAN99]

after the draft they gotta fire wes clark

Lou canned him for a reason before dubas re-hired him and made him head of scouting.

Treliving gotta bring in his own people and establish some rules

Or you can keep Wes Clark and add some of the better Calgary people if you're finding you're not able to mine talent out of certain leagues but the Calgary crew can.

 

[notDatsyuk]

My 1st point was marner is a better 5v5 man and nylander a better player when he have space like pp, 4v4, 3v3 or 6v5 ... but at the end to go far in the playoff and you needed to chose between both, i will always choose 5v5 because closer you are of stanley cup, less penalty been called so youre better have a great 2way 5v5 player than a pp specialist ...

And I've shown several times that Marner wasn't, but you keep changing the parameters.

It's pointless.

The End.

 

[justashadowof]

after the draft they gotta fire wes clark

Lou canned him for a reason before dubas re-hired him and made him head of scouting.

Treliving gotta bring in his own people and establish some rules

According to Justin Bourne Lou canned Clark for visiting the dressing room when he was told that he and other front office guys were restricted from that area. Sounds like someone who should've never been re-hired. I'd also think twice about allowing this guy to handle even the team's sparse 2023 draft.

 

[arso40]

And I've shown several times that Marner wasn't, but you keep changing the parameters.

It's pointless.

The End.

Sometimes I think I’m watching a completely different game

 

[Martin Skoula]

According to Justin Bourne Lou canned Clark for visiting the dressing room when he was told that he and other front office guys were restricted from that area. Sounds like someone who should've never been re-hired. I'd also think twice about allowing this guy to handle even the team's sparse 2023 draft.

I heard he even had sideburns at some point. The man should be in jail.

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

Taking from Peter to pay Paul is never a good way to foster employee relationships.

Look how many players have been walked to free agency by this franchise. Go on CapFriendly and see for yourself who all is signed past next year. There is no future with the Toronto Maple Leafs for most of the guys currently on this team.

Really makes someone want to go through a wall for those players that took all the money.

Now they're going back to the well again. They put themselves first the last time. There is no reason to believe they will do otherwise this time.

Loyalty to these guys comes only in the form of a big fat paycheque.

Shanahan backpedalling his comments about salary was a huge mistake. The "leagues most generous GM" opened up the wallet and started throwing the money around. All in the name of Studs'n'Duds.

The glory of "we can and we will".

 

[ULF_55]

I heard he even had sideburns at some point. The man should be in jail.

Bullies are going to bully.

 

[Arzak]

Quite prefer the rumoured marner to Hurricanes.

I like McAvoy for Marner

 

[ACC1224]

Quite prefer the rumoured marner to Hurricanes.

Rumoured?

 

[thusk]

And I've shown several times that Marner wasn't, but you keep changing the parameters.

It's pointless.

The End.

Marner pratically had 1 pts/60 over at 5v5 than nylander both regular season and playoff last 2 and we didn't talk about defensive impact... just just same kind of scoring stats, just with defensive impact of marner, his impact is higher than nylander but you had the fact he had a pts/every 60 minutes played over nylander... i just dont know how you cant say Marner had been a better 5v5 player...

And please dont tell me its because hes playing with tavares... yes hes overpay but still a pretty good player. We dont talk like he was playing with kampf and lafferty in a top 6


more leafs reach playoff year after year and worst Nylander was at 5v5. For me, its something extremely concerning because its starting with a huge lack of commitment in defenside side or on forecheck

So yes and after you talking about even strenght but even strenght mean 3v3, 4v4, 6v5 too so when you having more space on the ice ... kind of situation who will not happen if ref stop calling penalty in playoff...

If you take serie vs florida 20 penalty had been calling...so avering 10 pp by team 2 pp by game... so at best 4 min of pp and few time at 4v4 or 6v5.... so about +/- 5 min/ game leafs will play situation where nylander is in situation where hes better and 55 min where marner is a better player

 

[justashadowof]

Bullies are going to bully.

You so want to perma-ban me. I can feel it.

 

[ULF_55]

You so want to perma-ban me. I can feel it.

Are you Lou Lam?

Other than 1-2-3 Magic, I never even perma-banned my kids.

 

[hockeywiz542]

Quite prefer the rumoured marner to Hurricanes.

Rumoured?

Paul Bissonnette from Spittin’ Chiclets starts talking about the Mitch Marner to the Carolina Hurricanes rumour at around the 2:53:11 mark of the YouTube video clip.



I did uh a rumor, boys! Back at it I heard one I heard uh a Mitchy Marner rumor.

Mitchy Marner to the Carolina Hurricanes I don't know how many whack show tinfoil hat Leafs fans have been concocting this on their cat friendly websites but if I'm Carolina you need bigger guys who can make plays I don't think you want to get smaller given that that was part of your issue in my eyes at least up front from like getting up and getting abused and bumped around perspective in the in the Conference Finals. So I was like yeah I was going to say Carolina that's the only way they're like we were talking about there's no big free agents so that's what they do have to do if they have to trade for a big point guy like that a big playmaker but he didn't show up in the playoffs.

I don't know if that like you said that that's the guy to go back now you're taking on the money and the gamble that that I don't think that's the solution I think you're better off going to give Bertuzzi seven times seven and seeing how that grades out.

 

[justashadowof]

The bro energy on that podcast is through the proverbial roof.

 

[ACC1224]

Paul Bissonnette from Spittin’ Chiclets starts talking about the Mitch Marner to the Carolina Hurricanes rumour at around the 2:53:11 mark of the YouTube video clip.



I did uh a rumor, boys! Back at it I heard one I heard uh a Mitchy Marner rumor.

Mitchy Marner to the Carolina Hurricanes I don't know how many whack show tinfoil hat Leafs fans have been concocting this on their cat friendly websites but if I'm Carolina you need bigger guys who can make plays I don't think you want to get smaller given that that was part of your issue in my eyes at least up front from like getting up and getting abused and bumped around perspective in the in the Conference Finals. So I was like yeah I was going to say Carolina that's the only way they're like we were talking about there's no big free agents so that's what they do have to do if they have to trade for a big point guy like that a big playmaker but he didn't show up in the playoffs.

I don't know if that like you said that that's the guy to go back now you're taking on the money and the gamble that that I don't think that's the solution I think you're better off going to give Bertuzzi seven times seven and seeing how that grades out.

Hard to believe that a guy that's been on the job for a day would be talking to another team about moves already.