Post-Game Talk: 2023-2024 Leafs Roster/Changes/Turnovers & Replacement(s)

[Leaf Rocket]

This coming on the heels that Flames are seeking permission to interview Assistant GM Pridham

Report: Flames to pursue permission to interview Maple Leafs AGM Brandon Pridham for GM position

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The Calgary Flames are expected to request permission to speak with Brandon Pridham, the Toronto Maple Leafs’ assistant general manager responsible for salary cap compliance, for their open general manager position.

Daily Faceoff hockey insider Frank Seravalli reported the news early on Monday morning. The Flames have been operating without a permanent general manager since April 17, when the club mutually agreed to part ways with Brad Treliving.

Pridham, 49, has been with the Maple Leafs since 2014. He joined the club as an assistant to the general manager before being promoted to his current assistant general manager position under Kyle Dubas in 2018.

Report: Flames to pursue permission to interview Maple Leafs AGM Brandon Pridham for GM position

The Calgary Flames are expected to request permission to speak with Br...

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this also makes more sense on why he wont be let go now I think

 

[Belgican]

Nylander for Toews (Col), thoughts ?

 

[Leaf Rocket]

Nylander for Toews (Col), thoughts ?

Would love him but I think there would be more pieces involved from both sides IMO.

 

[Belgican]

Would love him but I think there would be more pieces involved from both sides IMO.

Yes for sure but these are the main pieces

 

[Leaf Rocket]

Yes for sure but these are the main pieces

Personally, I think Marner is more on the market than Nylander but hey I could be wrong.

 

[djdev]

marner for keller and cooley and a cap dump(kassian)?, neither of the kids want to play there it seems like.

 

[Leaf Rocket]

 

[Leaf Rocket]

 

[BallardEra]

Just read that Matt Murray is owed $8 million for next season.

What team is willing to pay him that? Leafs might be stuck with him next season.

 

[Thornbury]

Just a note .., Leaf currently have used All their 50 available contracts so any trades and moves would require players IN and players Out taking that into account.

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We will have lots of open contract spots when UFAs kick in. They can probably manage around contract slots.

 

[Mess]

Just read that Matt Murray is owed $8 million for next season.

What team is willing to pay him that? Leafs might be stuck with him next season.

Toronto is only the hook for $6 mil due to retention.

Buyout coming.

 

[Burnie97]

Lol

 

[al secord]

Hiring Bettman would be next level genius.

 

[hockeywiz542]

SIMMONS SAYS: Big skilled centres such as Auston Matthews are irreplacable

Everything about the Maple Leafs has to start with Auston Matthews.

torontosun.com

The new Leafs GM has a large decision to make. Do you keep Mitch Marner or do you keep William Nylander? Really, you can’t keep both. If you’re signing Matthews and you’re stuck with John Tavares for two more years, that means one of Marner or Nylander has to be traded if the viewpoint is that you can’t stick with the Core Four. Matthews should be untouchable. Tavares won’t waive his no-trade arrangement. That leaves the difficult choice between Marner and Nylander … Nylander is the more spectacular player. Marner is better all-around, especially defensively. Nylander has proven he can change a playoff game. Marner has not been able to do that. You can go back and forth on this, but one of them, really, has to go … I don’t believe it’s possible, but a Marner-or-Nylander trade for Charlie McAvoy or Quinn Hughes type of player would intrigue me … Is there a coach out there who believes Nylander could play centre full time? Moving Nylander to centre and Tavares to the wing could solve at least one Toronto problem if that is doable.

 

[jiggy35]

Get the best goalie we can so we dontq get goalied again.

Saros

 

[RoadWarrior]

SIMMONS SAYS: Big skilled centres such as Auston Matthews are irreplacable

Everything about the Maple Leafs has to start with Auston Matthews.

torontosun.com

The new Leafs GM has a large decision to make. Do you keep Mitch Marner or do you keep William Nylander? Really, you can’t keep both. If you’re signing Matthews and you’re stuck with John Tavares for two more years, that means one of Marner or Nylander has to be traded if the viewpoint is that you can’t stick with the Core Four. Matthews should be untouchable. Tavares won’t waive his no-trade arrangement. That leaves the difficult choice between Marner and Nylander … Nylander is the more spectacular player. Marner is better all-around, especially defensively. Nylander has proven he can change a playoff game. Marner has not been able to do that. You can go back and forth on this, but one of them, really, has to go … I don’t believe it’s possible, but a Marner-or-Nylander trade for Charlie McAvoy or Quinn Hughes type of player would intrigue me … Is there a coach out there who believes Nylander could play centre full time? Moving Nylander to centre and Tavares to the wing could solve at least one Toronto problem if that is doable.

Matthews isn’t untouchable. In fact he’s overrated.

If Boston can trade Joe Thornton and Florida can trade Huberdeau then the leafs can trade Matthews.

that being said they should trade Marner.

 

[Maplebeasts]

Scout's Analysis: What the Maple Leafs will be considering this off-season

The Toronto Maple Leafs will have to make quick decisions on possibly big changes, so how do they get there and what should they do? Former scout Jason Bukala writes about end of season meetings and what the Leafs would be weighing.

www.sportsnet.ca

CORE PIECE: RETAIN

• Auston Matthews

• Morgan Rielly

CORE PIECE: TRADE/ENTERTAIN OFFERS

• Mitch Marner

• William Nylander

• John Tavares

SECONDARY PIECE: TRADE/ENTERTAIN OFFERS

• Timothy Liljegren

DEPTH PIECE: RETAIN

• Sam Lafferty

UNRESTRICTED FREE AGENTS: SIGN

• Noel Acciari

• Luke Schenn

• Ryan O’Reilly

UNRESTRICTED FREE AGENTS: WALK

• Alex Kerfoot

• David Kampf

• Michael Bunting

• Wayne Simmonds

• Zach Aston-Reese

• Justin Holl

• Erik Gustafsson

HYPOTHETICAL RETURNS

Toronto trades to Arizona: William Nylander, Timothy Liljegren
Arizona trades to Toronto: Lawson Crouse, Barrett Hayton, 2023 second-rounder

or

Toronto trades to Philadelphia: Mitch Marner, Timothy Liljegren
Philadelphia trades to Toronto: Travis Konecny, Ivan Provorov, 2025 first-rounder, 2023 fourth-rounder

Both of those deals suck. Sportsnet is already bad at broadcasting games. Could they please not propose shit deals like this?

 

[Phion Keneuf]

Scout's Analysis: What the Maple Leafs will be considering this off-season

The Toronto Maple Leafs will have to make quick decisions on possibly big changes, so how do they get there and what should they do? Former scout Jason Bukala writes about end of season meetings and what the Leafs would be weighing.

www.sportsnet.ca

CORE PIECE: RETAIN

• Auston Matthews

• Morgan Rielly

CORE PIECE: TRADE/ENTERTAIN OFFERS

• Mitch Marner

• William Nylander

• John Tavares

SECONDARY PIECE: TRADE/ENTERTAIN OFFERS

• Timothy Liljegren

DEPTH PIECE: RETAIN

• Sam Lafferty

UNRESTRICTED FREE AGENTS: SIGN

• Noel Acciari

• Luke Schenn

• Ryan O’Reilly

UNRESTRICTED FREE AGENTS: WALK

• Alex Kerfoot

• David Kampf

• Michael Bunting

• Wayne Simmonds

• Zach Aston-Reese

• Justin Holl

• Erik Gustafsson

HYPOTHETICAL RETURNS

Toronto trades to Arizona: William Nylander, Timothy Liljegren
Arizona trades to Toronto: Lawson Crouse, Barrett Hayton, 2023 second-rounder

or

Toronto trades to Philadelphia: Mitch Marner, Timothy Liljegren
Philadelphia trades to Toronto: Travis Konecny, Ivan Provorov, 2025 first-rounder, 2023 fourth-rounder

If that 2025 1st is unprotected I definitely consider that.

A (solid) chance at Michael Misa would be nice with a top 6 F and a #2/3 D coming back.

 

[Gabriel426]

Oh F***, my Parros joke will become a reality

 

[rumman]

Just read that Matt Murray is owed $8 million for next season.

What team is willing to pay him that? Leafs might be stuck with him next season.

He’ll get injured so much it won’t affect the cap…….

 

[hockeywiz542]

Dreger on Leafs' decision to part ways with Dubas: 'The seed of doubt was planted on Monday' - TSN.ca

Toronto Maple Leafs President Brendan Shanahan says that the club fully intended to bring GM Kyle Dubas back on another contract, and that Dubas expressed interest in coming back too. Yet, now, Kyle Dubas and the Maple Leafs are parting ways. Where did it all break down? Darren Dreger and Cheryl Pounder join James Duthie to discuss Dubas' departure.

 

[thusk]

SIMMONS SAYS: Big skilled centres such as Auston Matthews are irreplacable

Everything about the Maple Leafs has to start with Auston Matthews.

torontosun.com

The new Leafs GM has a large decision to make. Do you keep Mitch Marner or do you keep William Nylander? Really, you can’t keep both. If you’re signing Matthews and you’re stuck with John Tavares for two more years, that means one of Marner or Nylander has to be traded if the viewpoint is that you can’t stick with the Core Four. Matthews should be untouchable. Tavares won’t waive his no-trade arrangement. That leaves the difficult choice between Marner and Nylander … Nylander is the more spectacular player. Marner is better all-around, especially defensively. Nylander has proven he can change a playoff game. Marner has not been able to do that. You can go back and forth on this, but one of them, really, has to go … I don’t believe it’s possible, but a Marner-or-Nylander trade for Charlie McAvoy or Quinn Hughes type of player would intrigue me … Is there a coach out there who believes Nylander could play centre full time? Moving Nylander to centre and Tavares to the wing could solve at least one Toronto problem if that is doable.

Nylander can change a serie both positively but also negatively like what he did in 1st round. I gave 2 exemple

The first one, he saw 3 of his teammate in trouble around the board but he took the decision to let a guy all alone 10 feet of the net to cover a d 50 feet of the net... what the hell, nobody else would left a guy all alone in the slot to cover a point shot .



2nd one he saw raddysh skating free, he wait and see... if he just cut middle space, this goal didn't had a single chance to go in



at least 5 goal was resulting of nylander lack of intensity of commitment defensive side. Nylander could have easily cost playoff serie against tampa but vs panthers, he was better.


I challenge everybody who want it to find me 1 team who reach just conference final ( didnt tslk about stanley cup final) with one of their best player playing d
Without any kind of energy defensivly.

You said marner didnt prove he can change a playoff game... he did it vs tampa but not just offensivly but with elite defensive game vs tampa by shutdown 3rd and 14th regular season points leader for 2 only even strenght goal (for the line).

 

[hockeywiz542]

The Maple Leafs’ 10 biggest priorities for the next GM: Auston Matthews’ extension, star trade, coach, more

The next Maple Leafs GM — whoever that may be — has a lot to do and almost no time to do it.

theathletic.com

2. Assess market for star trade/make star trade

Tavares is a tricky one obviously. He makes a lot — at $11 million on the cap for the next two seasons — and he’ll be 33 in the fall. He can, crucially, decline to go anywhere, what with his no-movement clause.

A contending team might be interested if the Leafs retained money in the deal and attached assets. A bad/rebuilding team could be interested to take on the full deal (maybe?) if the Leafs really make it worth their while with picks, prospects etc.

In which case, it stops making sense for the Leafs.

Could the Leafs make a Tavares trade but also get a helpful player, maybe on a bad contract himself, in return? (My first thought on that was San Jose and Logan Couture, who has an $8 million cap hit. Problem No. 1: Couture has four years left on his contract. Problem No. 2: Couture is 34. So, the Leafs would be netting $3 million in cap space for the next two seasons but adding two more problematic seasons after that. So yeah, probably a no.)

And again, there’s Tavares, who won’t be inclined to leave his hometown team to play for a cellar dweller or any other team for that matter in all likelihood.

Which means it’s almost certain that one of either Marner or Nylander moves. And what that decision may boil down to is which path is preferable to the Leafs GM:

1. Keep Nylander, pay Nylander, trade Marner

2. Don’t pay Nylander, trade Nylander, keep Marner

Nylander can sign an extension on July 1 and you have to assume he’ll be looking for $9 million-plus on a long-term deal. (Word of warning to the next Leafs GM: Nylander’s agent Lewis Gross won’t be pushed around.)

If the Leafs and their new GM don’t want to pay that kind of price for Nylander then he feels like the likelier star to go. But wait, you might say! Wouldn’t he have less trade value than Marner, what with the single year left on his contract? Yes.

However, it’s reasonable to assume that any team parting with assets to acquire Nylander is a team that wants to be in the Nylander business for the long haul. In other words, that team might well be interested in executing a sign-and-trade with the Leafs, which would obviously help greatly in the return.

That team would be getting Nylander at $6.9 million on the cap for next season, superb value, and years and years after that.

Nylander has a limited no-trade clause that kicks in on Canada Day, so there’s that to keep in mind. However, the Leafs will obviously know what they’re going to do with him and his contract by then.

If they do decide to extend Nylander, Marner would be the piece to move. Which is, well, a big meatball. Marner has a no-movement clause that also kicks in on Canada Day, at which point he’ll have total say on his future.

He’s got two years left at $10.9 million on the cap. He can sign an extension next summer, which will be much larger in size. That’s another part of this conversation: Are the Leafs interested in paying his next contract? Or would they rather pay Nylander instead?

Which player nets more in return: Marner with the two years left on his deal or Nylander in a sign-and-trade? It might still be Marner, the superior all-around player. But you could argue for Nylander too. And that’s what the Leafs will have to explore in trade talks.

Could the Leafs trade both? I suppose, but that feels unlikely.

Part of the conversation for the next Leafs GM should be determining which player they believe will deliver more in future postseasons. Nylander probably has the slight edge from the past few playoffs, but it’s close, what with the value that Marner delivers defensively.

Another part of the conversation: What exactly do the Leafs want in return? Ideally, it’s a talented young forward (ideally, a centre) who can help replace the outgoing production at a lesser price, not to mention other stuff like picks and prospects and maybe even ready-made help on defence.

Trading Marner might well net even more cap space.

Maybe (likely?) it’s a blockbuster with lots of names involved.

 

[Leaf Rocket]

The Maple Leafs’ 10 biggest priorities for the next GM: Auston Matthews’ extension, star trade, coach, more

The next Maple Leafs GM — whoever that may be — has a lot to do and almost no time to do it.

theathletic.com

2. Assess market for star trade/make star trade

Tavares is a tricky one obviously. He makes a lot — at $11 million on the cap for the next two seasons — and he’ll be 33 in the fall. He can, crucially, decline to go anywhere, what with his no-movement clause.

A contending team might be interested if the Leafs retained money in the deal and attached assets. A bad/rebuilding team could be interested to take on the full deal (maybe?) if the Leafs really make it worth their while with picks, prospects etc.

In which case, it stops making sense for the Leafs.

Could the Leafs make a Tavares trade but also get a helpful player, maybe on a bad contract himself, in return? (My first thought on that was San Jose and Logan Couture, who has an $8 million cap hit. Problem No. 1: Couture has four years left on his contract. Problem No. 2: Couture is 34. So, the Leafs would be netting $3 million in cap space for the next two seasons but adding two more problematic seasons after that. So yeah, probably a no.)

And again, there’s Tavares, who won’t be inclined to leave his hometown team to play for a cellar dweller or any other team for that matter in all likelihood.

Which means it’s almost certain that one of either Marner or Nylander moves. And what that decision may boil down to is which path is preferable to the Leafs GM:

1. Keep Nylander, pay Nylander, trade Marner

2. Don’t pay Nylander, trade Nylander, keep Marner

Nylander can sign an extension on July 1 and you have to assume he’ll be looking for $9 million-plus on a long-term deal. (Word of warning to the next Leafs GM: Nylander’s agent Lewis Gross won’t be pushed around.)

If the Leafs and their new GM don’t want to pay that kind of price for Nylander then he feels like the likelier star to go. But wait, you might say! Wouldn’t he have less trade value than Marner, what with the single year left on his contract? Yes.

However, it’s reasonable to assume that any team parting with assets to acquire Nylander is a team that wants to be in the Nylander business for the long haul. In other words, that team might well be interested in executing a sign-and-trade with the Leafs, which would obviously help greatly in the return.

That team would be getting Nylander at $6.9 million on the cap for next season, superb value, and years and years after that.

Nylander has a limited no-trade clause that kicks in on Canada Day, so there’s that to keep in mind. However, the Leafs will obviously know what they’re going to do with him and his contract by then.

If they do decide to extend Nylander, Marner would be the piece to move. Which is, well, a big meatball. Marner has a no-movement clause that also kicks in on Canada Day, at which point he’ll have total say on his future.

He’s got two years left at $10.9 million on the cap. He can sign an extension next summer, which will be much larger in size. That’s another part of this conversation: Are the Leafs interested in paying his next contract? Or would they rather pay Nylander instead?

Which player nets more in return: Marner with the two years left on his deal or Nylander in a sign-and-trade? It might still be Marner, the superior all-around player. But you could argue for Nylander too. And that’s what the Leafs will have to explore in trade talks.

Could the Leafs trade both? I suppose, but that feels unlikely.

Part of the conversation for the next Leafs GM should be determining which player they believe will deliver more in future postseasons. Nylander probably has the slight edge from the past few playoffs, but it’s close, what with the value that Marner delivers defensively.

Another part of the conversation: What exactly do the Leafs want in return? Ideally, it’s a talented young forward (ideally, a centre) who can help replace the outgoing production at a lesser price, not to mention other stuff like picks and prospects and maybe even ready-made help on defence.

Trading Marner might well net even more cap space.

Maybe (likely?) it’s a blockbuster with lots of names involved.

Who ever is in charge will have to try to make our captain transition into a new style of player even with all the skill and money he tied to.

I still do think Marner is most likely to be traded but with no GM it might be just the same core coming back.

Also this article feels like it ripped up some my posts over here

 

[Gabriel426]

Nylander can change a serie both positively but also negatively like what he did in 1st round. I gave 2 exemple

The first one, he saw 3 of his teammate in trouble around the board but he took the decision to let a guy all alone 10 feet of the net to cover a d 50 feet of the net... what the hell, nobody else would left a guy all alone in the slot to cover a point shot .



2nd one he saw raddysh skating free, he wait and see... if he just cut middle space, this goal didn't had a single chance to go in



at least 5 goal was resulting of nylander lack of intensity of commitment defensive side. Nylander could have easily cost playoff serie against tampa but vs panthers, he was better.


I challenge everybody who want it to find me 1 team who reach just conference final ( didnt tslk about stanley cup final) with one of their best player playing d
Without any kind of energy defensivly.

You said marner didnt prove he can change a playoff game... he did it vs tampa but not just offensivly but with elite defensive game vs tampa by shutdown 3rd and 14th regular season points leader for 2 only even strenght goal (for the line).

Are you starting a crusade to state Willie is not our saviour bc most of us know that already, lol.