2023-2024 EPL Season

[Paulie Gualtieri]

The only thing I can add to this Ten Hag conversation is that I thought he made some very poor comments diminishing Overmars sexual harrasment.

Edit: Oh yeah, I also think he stuck with Quincy Promes way too long despite his immense issues off the pitch.

Erik ten Hag's problems are mounting at Manchester United

CHRIS WHEELER: Even by Man United 's standards it has been a dramatic and distracting start to the season. A club that is never far from the headlines has found itself under intense scrutiny.

www.dailymail.co.uk

This article covers both of what I mentioned.

 

[Savant]

The issue wasn't just Virgil's words, it was his words in connection with his refusal to leave the pitch even after VAR confirmed what was obvious to all.

As for the Robertson thing, don't try to lean in on and get in the face of an AR and the AR won't try to make space. I get that Liverpool fans are most comfortable when whining, but it's laughable seeing this brought up again and again and again.

That’s not true though. The additional game was literally for “acting in an improper manner (by) using abusive and insulting language” because he said the call was a “f’n joke”. The focus is on the foul language here. As I said, if they want to suspend it’s fine, Not going to make a big deal of it, but let’s see them be consistent with that for other players who drop F bombs at refs. Virgil isn’t the first and he won’t be the last to do so.

As for the Robertson thing, let’s see some other examples of ARs putting their hands on players during games.

 

[hatterson]

That’s not true though. The additional game was literally for “acting in an improper manner (by) using abusive and insulting language” because he said the call was a “f’n joke”. The focus is on the foul language here. As I said, if they want to suspend it’s fine, Not going to make a big deal of it, but let’s see them be consistent with that for other players who drop F bombs at refs. Virgil isn’t the first and he won’t be the last to do so.

As for the Robertson thing, let’s see some other examples of ARs putting their hands on players during games.

From the FA: "The defender admitted that he acted in an improper manner and used abusive and insulting words towards a match official..."

The ref is talking to VVD as VAR is checking it and says "Just wait and I'll tell you. But you need to go immediately if you need to go. Just wait. It's clearly a foul, they're saying they're just checking the location. It's clearly a foul. Just wait. I'll have the ball. Don't do anything silly after....Listen you will be sent off unless he's offside. It's very, very tight."

Then it gets confirmed and the blows his whistle and says directly to him "Free kick, go, go. Go now. Yes, no offside." VVD then yelled at him, walked several steps after him, and got in his face for about 20 seconds before he finally left the pitch.

 

[Live in the Now]

VVD got what he deserved, but the Robertson thing is a fair point, that official should have been sent to the Championship for the rest of the season.

 

[Savant]

From the FA: "The defender admitted that he acted in an improper manner and used abusive and insulting words towards a match official..."

The ref is talking to VVD as VAR is checking it and says "Just wait and I'll tell you. But you need to go immediately if you need to go. Just wait. It's clearly a foul, they're saying they're just checking the location. It's clearly a foul. Just wait. I'll have the ball. Don't do anything silly after....Listen you will be sent off unless he's offside. It's very, very tight."

Then it gets confirmed and the blows his whistle and says directly to him "Free kick, go, go. Go now. Yes, no offside." VVD then yelled at him, walked several steps after him, and got in his face for about 20 seconds before he finally left the pitch.

Okay so again, let’s make sure people cursing and walking up to refs are also suspended. I’m not arguing that Virgil shouldn’t be suspended. I’m saying let’s keep the consistency up. This is hardly a unique incident. It’s pretty unique for Virgil, but this is not uncommon for PL. and Virgil is the captain so he can talk to the official. yeah he took it a bit too far, which he admitted, so let’s get on with it and see if other players doing the same, have the same result

 

[bluesfan94]

Okay so again, let’s make sure people cursing and walking up to refs are also suspended. I’m not arguing that Virgil shouldn’t be suspended. I’m saying let’s keep the consistency up. This is hardly a unique incident. It’s pretty unique for Virgil, but this is not uncommon for PL. and Virgil is the captain so he can talk to the official. yeah he took it a bit too far, which he admitted, so let’s get on with it and see if other players doing the same, have the same result

Can you show me another incident (in that matchweek, per your standard), where a player stayed after a VAR check confirmed his red card and said player stayed on the field cursing at the ref?

 

[hatterson]

Can you show me another incident (in that matchweek, per your standard), where a player stayed after a VAR check confirmed his red card and said player stayed on the field cursing at the ref?

I'll settle for any matchweek TBH. Find any incident where a player had their red confirmed by VAR, but remained on the field for 20 seconds to accost the ref and yell at him. Heck, I'd even settle for 10 seconds post VAR confirmation. Since it's "hardly unique", I assume they'll be easy to find.

It's like a dude who runs a stop sign, gets pulled over and is found to have a suspended license and gets arrested for it complaining about how this better be the new standard that everyone who runs a stop sign gets arrested.

The standard is not "tell the official the call was an fing joke and you'll get suspended", it's "repeatedly accost an official for an extended duration after having your red card confirmed and repeatedly being told to leave the pitch and you'll get suspended"

Also, him having the armband is irrelevant. He's been shown a red, he no longer has any right to talk to the official. His job is to get off the pitch.

 

[Savant]

Can you show me another incident (in that matchweek, per your standard), where a player stayed after a VAR check confirmed his red card and said player stayed on the field cursing at the ref?

I am not a lip reader so I will not. I will wait on results going forward to see if it is enforced.

I'll settle for any matchweek TBH. Find any incident where a player had their red confirmed by VAR, but remained on the field for 20 seconds to accost the ref and yell at him. Heck, I'd even settle for 10 seconds post VAR confirmation. Since it's "hardly unique", I assume they'll be easy to find.

It's like a dude who runs a stop sign, gets pulled over and is found to have a suspended license and gets arrested for it complaining about how this better be the new standard that everyone who runs a stop sign gets arrested.

The standard is not "tell the official the call was an fing joke and you'll get suspended", it's "repeatedly accost an official for an extended duration after having your red card confirmed and repeatedly being told to leave the pitch and you'll get suspended"

Also, him having the armband is irrelevant. He's been shown a red, he no longer has any right to talk to the official. His job is to get off the pitch.

Last paragraph is not how it works though is it? can you show me me where a red card means losing captain privilege

 

[maclean]

I encourage everyone to watch the Rugby World Cup to see video refereeing that actually works

 

[Ceremony]

I encourage everyone to watch the Rugby World Cup

 

[Wee Baby Seamus]

I am not a lip reader so I will not. I will wait on results going forward to see if it is enforced.

Last paragraph is not how it works though is it? can you show me me where a red card means losing captain privilege

I mean…

When you get a red card you are obligated to leave the pitch, and when the captain leaves the pitch they are meant to hand off the armband…

So like, in addition to the fact that the obligation to leave the pitch trumps the armband, in a metaphysical sense a sent-off player is no longer the captain… because the armband should have been passed to the vice-captain…

 

[Savant]

I mean…

When you get a red card you are obligated to leave the pitch, and when the captain leaves the pitch they are meant to hand off the armband…

So like, in addition to the fact that the obligation to leave the pitch trumps the armband, in a metaphysical sense a sent-off player is no longer the captain… because the armband should have been passed to the vice-captain…

I mean the new rule was that (only) the captain is allowed to have extended dialogue with the officials, right?

Can you show me in the rules where is says upon sending off the captain loses that privilege?

You might be right, but I honestly don’t know. Not going to get into metaphysics though

 

[These Are The Days]

....I was legit moved to tears

I originally supported Liverpool out of spite to the Glazers and Manchester United because the Bucs had been so bad for so long and their focus was not in Tampa. But stuff like this is how and why I fell genuinely in love with the club

 

[hatterson]

I mean the new rule was that (only) the captain is allowed to have extended dialogue with the officials, right?

Can you show me in the rules where is says upon sending off the captain loses that privilege?

You might be right, but I honestly don’t know. Not going to get into metaphysics though

Given that in the written rules the captain explicitly does not have any special privileges to speak with the referee and only has additional responsibilities to maintain respect and ensure the refs are respected, you won’t find a written rule that says he loses that privilege.

 

[Chimaera]

I have no issue if you suspend VVD. He acted like an idiot on a poor challenge that was a red.

My issue is just the desire for consistency. If captain x cursed out the ref and holds up a free kick, is that also a match ban? Is it only for a red? Is there a timer that’s gonna do it? VAR and reffing have been all over

 

[hatterson]

I have no issue if you suspend VVD. He acted like an idiot on a poor challenge that was a red.

My issue is just the desire for consistency. If captain x cursed out the ref and holds up a free kick, is that also a match ban? Is it only for a red? Is there a timer that’s gonna do it? VAR and reffing have been all over

If another captain (or any player) gets a red, has it confirmed by VAR, gets repeatedly told to leave the pitch, and instead spend 20 seconds yelling at and cussing out the ref, yes I’d absolutely expect them to get an extra game too.

 

[Savant]

If another captain (or any player) gets a red, has it confirmed by VAR, gets repeatedly told to leave the pitch, and instead spend 20 seconds yelling at and cussing out the ref, yes I’d absolutely expect them to get an extra game too.

So is 20 seconds the cut off? And you allowed to yell and cuss for up to 10 seconds? 5 seconds? What are the cut offs here?

Consistency in the future is all I am looking for here

 

[Spring in Fialta]

So is 20 seconds the cut off? And you allowed to yell and cuss for up to 10 seconds? 5 seconds? What are the cut offs here?

Consistency in the future is all I am looking for here

I don't think referees care about what you're looking for.

 

[Savant]

I don't think referees care about what you're looking for.

Of course not, but that’s not the point is it? The point is how to make these calls consistent.

 

[hatterson]

If you see a situation you see as similar that does not receive an FA charge, feel free to complain about it then.

Or if you can find similar situations in the past that haven’t receive FA charges, feel free to reference them.

Right now you have a player doing something pretty unique (despite your claims it’s common), and complaining about possible future inconsistency.

 

[Bringer of Jollity]

If you see a situation you see as similar that does not receive an FA charge, feel free to complain about it then.

Or if you can find similar situations in the past that haven’t receive FA charges, feel free to reference them.

Right now you have a player doing something pretty unique (despite your claims it’s common), and complaining about possible future inconsistency.

And the player himself is saying the punishment is fair.

 

[Savant]

And the player himself is saying the punishment is fair.

I mean what is he supposed to say? Wouldn’t be wise to double down. No one is complaining about it. Just want to see what happens next

If you see a situation you see as similar that does not receive an FA charge, feel free to complain about it then.

Or if you can find similar situations in the past that haven’t receive FA charges, feel free to reference them.

Right now you have a player doing something pretty unique (despite your claims it’s common), and complaining about possible future inconsistency.

I’m not complaining about future inconsistency. I just want to see see future consistency.

He didn’t even curse at the ref. He didn’t say F you. He said the call was a F’n joke. If you don’t think it’s unique for players to get upset about, and curse at a call I don’t know what sport you are watching

 

[Bringer of Jollity]

I mean what is he supposed to say? Wouldn’t be wise to double down. No one is complaining about it. Just want to see what happens next


I’m not complaining about future inconsistency. I just want to see see future consistency.

He didn’t even curse at the ref. He didn’t say F you. He said the call was a F’n joke. If you don’t think it’s unique for players to get upset about, and curse at a call I don’t know what sport you are watching

He could just say nothing. Or he could hedge and say he thought the punishment was harsh but ultimately accepts the decision. There isn't really any reason to call out his own behavior and that the decision was warranted if he doesn't feel that way.

 

[Savant]

He could just say nothing. Or he could hedge and say he thought the punishment was harsh but ultimately accepts the decision. There isn't really any reason to call out his own behavior and that the decision was warranted if he doesn't feel that way.

I think he is taking the high road. Which is fine. No one is mad about it

 

[hatterson]

I mean what is he supposed to say? Wouldn’t be wise to double down. No one is complaining about it. Just want to see what happens next


I’m not complaining about future inconsistency. I just want to see see future consistency.

He didn’t even curse at the ref. He didn’t say F you. He said the call was a F’n joke. If you don’t think it’s unique for players to get upset about, and curse at a call I don’t know what sport you are watching

You still seem stuck on the specific words he used despite that not being the significant factor here…