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Prospect Info: 2023-2024 Coyotes Prospect General Discussion and Stats Weekly Update

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rt said:
There are highlight packages out there that showcase what he’s capable of with his skating. Highlights don’t show consistency issues.
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Sounds like you've uncovered an unfulfilled highlights package that's needed?
 
rt said:
I’ve seen him look that way. Like today. But I’ve also see him absolutely gobble up time and space super quick with big long strides. I think he’s got consistency issues with his feet. Which would be one thing if he was a year younger. It’s a bigger problem at his age. There are highlight packages out there that showcase what he’s capable of with his skating. Highlights don’t show consistency issues.
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Yes, I've seen the highlight packages, but to me, they're against players that aren't dynamic...which then makes it easier for him to control the play. Again, I don't see "fast twtich skill" with him. I see smooth slow or slow smooth, however you describe it. I don't think he'll be sucessful at higher levels against higher agility players...they will be able to exploit his weaknesses, which I don't think are going to get that much better, because I've never seen "fast" with him doing anything.

again, not a fan.
 
Dr VinnyBoombatz said:
Yes, I've seen the highlight packages, but to me, they're against players that aren't dynamic...which then makes it easier for him to control the play. Again, I don't see "fast twtich skill" with him. I see smooth slow or slow smooth, however you describe it. I don't think he'll be sucessful at higher levels against higher agility players...they will be able to exploit his weaknesses, which I don't think are going to get that much better, because I've never seen "fast" with him doing anything.

again, not a fan.
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I see your point and I’m half sold. But I think that’s not a deal breaker. It’s usually how giant guys are. Like Lamoureux and But. Or K’Andre Miller and Tage Thompson. Or Jovanovski and Hanzal. None of these are perfect examples. But I think there’s a type of highly effective, large NHL player that’s smooth but lacking in fast twitch quickness.
 
rt said:
I see your point and I’m half sold. But I think that’s not a deal breaker. It’s usually how giant guys are. Like Lamoureux and But. Or K’Andre Miller and Tage Thompson. Or Jovanovski and Hanzal. None of these are perfect examples. But I think there’s a type of highly effective, large NHL player that’s smooth but lacking in fast twitch quickness.
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Difference is that those other players do things "fast"...everything I see from Pulkkinen is slow, stick slow, agility slow, I haven't seen any plays that I'd consider "fast twitch".

To me that's a deal breaker. You know who I see...I see a taller Gormley...that's who he reminds me of and Gormely regardless of his injuries, was getting smoked by higher agility players so the higher level he played the worse he got. To me it's going to be the same with Pulkkinen.
 
AZviaNJ said:
Watching MavLam he so reminds me of a young Chara. Similar size, movement, awkwardly smooth and smart.

The org has to feel great with his progress.
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agreed...give that kid 10 more lbs and a touch more stability and he's going to be a defensive nightmare for players...then combine him with Simashev and you've got a top line with not one but two 6'7'' kids who can really skate.
 
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rt said:
Helenius reminds me so much of Keller. The good and the bad. But the new Keller who will skate in traffic. Not the old soft Keller from his early NHL days.


Lutz was a hound today. Very annoying player for the Finns. He was all over the puck and has some real skill. I was impressed.
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Lutz could be a Martinook-type. Perfect 4th liner.
 
Dr VinnyBoombatz said:
Difference is that those other players do things "fast"...everything I see from Pulkkinen is slow, stick slow, agility slow, I haven't seen any plays that I'd consider "fast twitch".

To me that's a deal breaker. You know who I see...I see a taller Gormley...that's who he reminds me of and Gormely regardless of his injuries, was getting smoked by higher agility players so the higher level he played the worse he got. To me it's going to be the same with Pulkkinen.
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I don’t think Gormley ever had the slippery skill that Pulkkinen has. Certainly not the punishing nastiness. I like his stick quite a bit because he’s usually got the blade below his knees and he’s usually got it out in front of him. Newfangle D with their blade out to the side and at their waist make me nuts. Haha.

AZviaNJ said:
Watching MavLam he so reminds me of a young Chara. Similar size, movement, awkwardly smooth and smart.

The org has to feel great with his progress.
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Pulkkinen reminds me of MavLam more than anything honestly. Haha.
 
rt said:
I don’t think Gormley ever had the slippery skill that Pulkkinen has. Certainly not the punishing nastiness. I like his stick quite a bit because he’s usually got the blade below his knees and he’s usually got it out in front of him. Newfangle D with their blade out to the side and at their waist make me nuts. Haha.


Pulkkinen reminds me of MavLam more than anything honestly. Haha.
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With 8 picks between the 2nd and 4th rounds….prepare yourself…a 6-6/210lb LHD Pukkinen will be drafted by Arizona. :nod:
 
lanky said:
5th rounder Thelin > 2nd rounder Hrabal ?

You never know with goalies. I wish our goalie scout would relinquish all top 90 picks in perpetuity.
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I just think that you can go get goalies...Bryz, Smith, Ingram...no reason to spend draft capital, especially since most of them take 5-6 yrs for success.

I think it's just a waist, but it's fun following their journey, but it takes way to long to reap the benefits when you can just pick them up via trade or via waivers.
 
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I'm hoping we can add Veggie and Villalta to that list of Bryz, Smith and Ingram (and rightfully Kuemper too).
 
Dr VinnyBoombatz said:
agreed...give that kid 10 more lbs and a touch more stability and he's going to be a defensive nightmare for players...then combine him with Simashev and you've got a top line with not one but two 6'7'' kids who can really skate.
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If that's our future top d pairing they could potentially be out there with Geekie and But. (ouch)
I read last week But is now 6'9". I don't remember the source, but I believe it came from BA.
 
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