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BlueDream

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It’s weird how healthy we have been this season. Aside from Buch missing a couple games near the start of the season, I don’t think we’ve had any other injuries.

I of course don’t wish injuries on anyone but I almost want to see how this team looks if we have to plug a couple guys from Springfield into the roster. Sometimes it makes them better and more fun.
 

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With our upcoming schedule, I could easily see us going 4-12 or 5-11 in the next 16 games to get to the mid point of the season. Given the way the first 25 games have gone, we’ll probably be 8-8 or 7-7-2 in those games. This team is consistently inconsistent and the longer it takes them to find consistency in their play, the less inclined I am to believe that they can make the playoffs. I fear we are looking at picking 13-16 as our most likely scenario this coming offseason and that is the worst possible outcome IMO.
This next month or so definitely defines the season. Even if we are in playoff contention come deadline time I could see Armstrong pulling some similar moves with our UFAs like when he traded Shattenkirk even though we made the playoffs.

Not sure really what Scandella, Kapanen, or especially Vrana would actually amount to but between the three probably some puzzle piece is able to be acquired
 
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Starting to think we just aren’t very good. And that our wild inconsistency reflects opponents’ inconsistent effort at least as much as it does ours. teams know that we aren’t good and tend not to bring their best game for us. So we win some games through effort and goaltending and sometimes a bit more skill than they think. But when good teams bring their “A” game, like Vegas in 2nd and 3rd last night, they crush us.
 
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Starting to think we just aren’t very good. And that our wild inconsistency reflects opponents’ inconsistent effort at least as much as it does ours. teams know that we aren’t good and tend not to bring their best game for us. So we win some games through effort and goaltending and sometimes a bit more skill than they think. But when good teams bring their “A” game, like Vegas in 2nd and 3rd last night, they crush us.
We aren’t very good. This is why I am hoping for a good draft pick this year, in addition to young player growth and better coaching than we’ve had since Monty left.
 
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We are no longer in a playoff spot by points after Nashville's game last night. We have a game in hand, so we barely are by point capture (.540 vs .538). Nashville has been on a stretch of good play with 16 pts in last 10. If they keep it up and we drop a few more than .500, we could lose ground quickly.
 

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The Oilers have won 5 straight, but they had 5 nights off before last night so they haven't seen that translate to a big surge in the standings. They are currently sitting 7 points behind the WC2 spot, but with 3 games in hand (and a healthy looking McDavid), that feels more like a 3-4 point hole than a 7 point hole. They've been getting competent-to-good goaltending lately, but they have been scoring enough that this doesn't feel like a goalie-driven win streak. They scored 5+ in four of the five wins and they didn't just beat up bad teams. They beat 3 teams currently in playoff position (Vegas, Winnipeg, Carolina) as well as a Washington team who is on the playoff bubble. The forwards have bought their front office time to be patient about the goaltending situation.

Minnesota is 4-1 since the coaching change and is also scoring goals. This one feels less real to me than Edmonton's streak. Their 4 wins came against us, Chicago, Calgary, and Nashville. None of those wins impress me as much as a Vegas/Winnipeg win and they got shutout by the Canucks. At 6 points out with 2 games in hand, they are in roughly the same standings position as Edmonton and I do expect them to play better than their disastrous start. But I'm not penciling them into a playoff spot as comfortably as I still am with Edmonton.

I bring all this up in this thread instead of the 'Around the NHL' thread because they are two teams currently chasing us for our current position as a bubble team. Our .540 points percentage (88.5 point pace) is currently 8th best in the Conference, but the play of these teams is making it increasingly less likely that the end-of-year WC2 spot is achievable with 89 points. Edmonton or Minnesota needs to play at a .586 points pace for the rest of the year in order to hit the 90 point threshold. I would put money on at least one of those two teams managing to do that. Winnipeg has to play .509 down the stretch to hit 90 points and the 5 teams above them in the standings can all get to 90 points by playing .500 or worse.

The likely playoff cut line in the West has crept upward in the last couple weeks (even though it is still looking like that line will be well below the cut line in the East). I think this team will need to get slightly better results in the next 25 games than we got in our first 25 games to still be as 'in the hunt' as we've been for the last month. Let's call it the next 24 games since that is the number of games left before the All Star break. We have 27 points in the first 25 games and I'd say we probably need at least 27 points in those 24 games before the break.

While this team is incredibly hard to predict, I would say that it is doable. We have been noticeably better at home than on the road so far and I think there is an argument to be made that the Krug-Faulk pair is much better positioned for success when we have last change. We played 11 of our first 25 games at home, but 14 of our 24 games before All Star weekend are at home. We went 3-1 against teams currently in the bottom 5 (by points percentage) in our first 25 games and we have 5 such games in our next 24 games (Chicago twice, Columbus twice, and Seattle). We went 2-6-1 against top 10 teams in our first 25 games. We have 10 such games in our next 24. So I don't see a huge difference in terms of strength of schedule.

Whether we like it or not, this team has been (just) good enough that they are playing meaningful hockey in December. We've got 11 games in the next 23 days to close out 2023 that will dictate whether they are still playing meaningful games in January. The next 9 days are pretty big as December games go. Road B2B against 2 of the worst 5 teams in the league. Then you get a 3 game home stand. You could take care of business on short travel weekend or you can fall into a trap and put your back against the wall for a 3 game homestand against a Wings team that just added Kane to a team that's been playing well, a pretty desperate Ottawa team, and then a really good Dallas team.

Should be an interesting 9 days, especially if Edmonton and Minnesota keep winning to provide pressure from behind.

Edit: FWIW, I think stretches like this are what you want when you talk about building/maintaining a winning culture. Hofer is going to have to play 1 and maybe 2 of these next 5 games and there will be real pressure on him in that game from the organization. We need Neighbours to continue contributing not just for his own development, but to help the team right now. Who is buying into the coach vs tuning them out when the games actually matter for something? There is a tangible difference when a roster is still playing for a team goal vs a group of guys playing for their agent to get them a job elsewhere the next season (or at the deadline).
 
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Starting to think we just aren’t very good. And that our wild inconsistency reflects opponents’ inconsistent effort at least as much as it does ours. teams know that we aren’t good and tend not to bring their best game for us. So we win some games through effort and goaltending and sometimes a bit more skill than they think. But when good teams bring their “A” game, like Vegas in 2nd and 3rd last night, they crush us.
I don’t believe you are just starting to think this. I think you’ve known for a while that we aren’t good. I haven’t seen the team do anything to indicate otherwise.
 

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We need to play Alexandrov, Tucker, and Peru nightly. None benefit from sitting regularly and all have shown they can excel in ahl. None quite frankly have been good enough in nhl but it’s too soon to pull plug I think on each unless we have reason to. It’s time to let them fight through struggles.

We need to be able to give them room to develop and evaluate whether they can be nhl players or just scrubs. If they grow and are good, it’s a win. If they struggle and can’t do it, better to know sooner than later. I don’t care if it costs us games now, as we aren’t going anywhere this season anyway. It’s about growing guys for next window and filtering out those who don’t look to be part of solution. Let’s make these games further our rebuild by having these guys in them.
 

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We need to play Alexandrov, Tucker, and Peru nightly. None benefit from sitting regularly and all have shown they can excel in ahl. None quite frankly have been good enough in nhl but it’s too soon to pull plug I think on each unless we have reason to. It’s time to let them fight through struggles.

We need to be able to give them room to develop and evaluate whether they can be nhl players or just scrubs. If they grow and are good, it’s a win. If they struggle and can’t do it, better to know sooner than later. I don’t care if it costs us games now, as we aren’t going anywhere this season anyway. It’s about growing guys for next window and filtering out those who don’t look to be part of solution. Let’s make these games further our rebuild by having these guys in them.
Agreed. Anyone recall how shit Sunny was his first year here? Most Blues fans(myself included) wanted him as a 14th forward or waiver fodder the following year and he ended up being an instrumental component of a Stanley Cup win. Gotta give them a chance even if they struggle a bit.
 

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We need to play Alexandrov, Tucker, and Peru nightly. None benefit from sitting regularly and all have shown they can excel in ahl. None quite frankly have been good enough in nhl but it’s too soon to pull plug I think on each unless we have reason to. It’s time to let them fight through struggles.

We need to be able to give them room to develop and evaluate whether they can be nhl players or just scrubs. If they grow and are good, it’s a win. If they struggle and can’t do it, better to know sooner than later. I don’t care if it costs us games now, as we aren’t going anywhere this season anyway. It’s about growing guys for next window and filtering out those who don’t look to be part of solution. Let’s make these games further our rebuild by having these guys in them.
Great post! I think they need to put Alexandrov with a couple guys and let them build some chemistry. Not sure who would be the best fit on the current roster as I could see him on a line with Dean in the future. I also don’t know if he played with McGing in the AHL.
 
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Agreed. Anyone recall how shit Sunny was his first year here? Most Blues fans(myself included) wanted him as a 14th forward or waiver fodder the following year and he ended up being an instrumental component of a Stanley Cup win. Gotta give them a chance even if they struggle a bit.
I remember after Sunny’s first year thinking man if that guy could gain a step he could score a bunch of goals. He worked on his skating and had a great season in his 2nd year with the Blues. Unfortunately he may have lost a half a step since then with the ACL injury. Neighbours is another one where I see a huge improvement this year over last year. I’m hoping we see some growth from Bolduc and Dean by next year as well.
 
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With our upcoming schedule, I could easily see us going 4-12 or 5-11 in the next 16 games to get to the mid point of the season. Given the way the first 25 games have gone, we’ll probably be 8-8 or 7-7-2 in those games. This team is consistently inconsistent and the longer it takes them to find consistency in their play, the less inclined I am to believe that they can make the playoffs. I fear we are looking at picking 13-16 as our most likely scenario this coming offseason and that is the worst possible outcome IMO.
Looking back now, 4-12 may have been overly optimistic.
 

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It will be hard to convince other teams he wasn’t having off ice issues.
he is an off ice issue. lack of effort/intensity/caring has followed him throughout his career.

That's a waste. His lack of production is 100% on the coaching's awful usage of him. I'd bet someone grabs him.

I wonder if we are making salary/roster room for a move. Vrana claimed off of waivers saves us as much as a retained Hanafin :crossfing
sorry, but this guy has dogged it for years. every club has wanted to dump him. it's not berube or coaching. it's him. i'm not saying coaching staff has been stellar, but this isn't coaching issue, it's player issue.
 

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That's a waste. His lack of production is 100% on the coaching's awful usage of him. I'd bet someone grabs him.

I wonder if we are making salary/roster room for a move. Vrana claimed off of waivers saves us as much as a retained Hanafin :crossfing
Did you watch the Chicago game? He completely gave up, he didn’t even remotely try. It’s clear he doesn’t want to be here and has no respect for what the coaches are asking of him.

I now see why Detroit wanted him gone ASAP. He’s a worthless head case. Very glad we are showing accountability that shows that lack of effort will not be tolerated.
 

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I'm not sure how you could argue his failure this season is on the coaches. That's kind of a crazy take.

Not using our best LH shot on Pp. Putting him on the ice with 4th line grinders. Singling out for scratches when playing well relative to the rest of the team. And people wonder why he gave up?

Blues knew what he was when they traded for him. Then they tried to change him and punished him for being the offensive minded player he always was. You don't buy a dog and then get mad it doesn't take to litter box training.

He always had compete and defensive effort issues but he put up points. The Blues are where good offensive players go to have their offense die, and not improve on D. Hayes is also on pace for a career low point production, and he still sucks at D too. Has he been scratched?
 
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