2023-2024 Blues Multi-Purpose Thread

[LetsGoBooze]

I don’t think Alexandrov is anything special but at least he has a motor. Schenn can’t skate. He and Sundqvist are in quicksand. Blais, Alexandrov, and Kyrou can all skate.

This isn’t some cure all, but with how the forwards have played this far I would shake it up substantially.

Alexandrov reminds me of Barbashev. If Alexandrov gets to play with a more skilled player like Kyrou it could elevate his game.

It’s all just an idea. I think the Blues will be a bottom 10 team. I like Army overall as a GM but personally I think it’s a mistake to not embrace a rebuild

I think he will come Thanksgiving. The typical see what the boys have for the first 20 games of the year rhetoric. Maybe something just clicks and they play above expectations. But more realistically, we're already a bottom 6 team in the conference and exactly the team everyone expected. DA is a smart guy and knows it will likely take additional top end talent through the draft to open another promising window. I think he'll sell off some players early, ensuring a tank and high pick next year. And then the next two years to follow will be transition years, where our team lacks blossomed NHL talent, as some of our prospects start logging games. Lots of inconsistencies as our team has growing pains. But would most likely ensure high picks for a few years.

2024 top-8 pick
2025 top-8 pick
2026 top-15 pick
2027 Back in the plaoffs

 

[TheDizee]

Last in the league on PP & PK

 

[kimzey59]

I think he will come Thanksgiving. The typical see what the boys have for the first 20 games of the year rhetoric. Maybe something just clicks and they play above expectations. But more realistically, we're already a bottom 6 team in the conference and exactly the team everyone expected. DA is a smart guy and knows it will likely take additional top end talent through the draft to open another promising window. I think he'll sell off some players early, ensuring a tank and high pick next year. And then the next two years to follow will be transition years, where our team lacks blossomed NHL talent, as some of our prospects start logging games. Lots of inconsistencies as our team has growing pains. But would most likely ensure high picks for a few years.

2024 top-8 pick
2025 top-8 pick
2026 top-15 pick
2027 Back in the plaoffs

We recovered from the Walmart bastard faster than that.
And we have a LOT more to work with now than we did back then.

 

[Stupendous Yappi]

Binnington has the best save percentage of any goalie who has played in 3+ games so far.

Just for laughs with early season stats, here is a trip down Blues memory lane:
63. Phoenix Copely 74%
55. Joel Hofer 86%
50. Charles Lindgren 89%
35. Ville Husso 90%
28. Jake Allen 91%
4. Jordan Binnington 96%

 

[Stupendous Yappi]

I thought the Blues would be in last place with 0% on the PP, but there are 6 teams tied that haven't scored a PP goal yet. But Dallas is at -7% due to giving a short-handed goal I suppose.

But last place on the PK is the Blues alone: 63.6%.
Ouch.

Jeremy Rutherford had a recent article talking about the uneven performance of the new defensive system where he failed to point out that its really the PK's failure that is hurting the team more than the 5 on 5 play.

 

[Snubbed4Vezina]

I thought the Blues would be in last place with 0% on the PP, but there are 6 teams tied that haven't scored a PP goal yet. But Dallas is at -7% due to giving a short-handed goal I suppose.

But last place on the PK is the Blues alone: 63.6%.
Ouch.

Jeremy Rutherford had a recent article talking about the uneven performance of the new defensive system where he failed to point out that its really the PK's failure that is hurting the team more than the 5 on 5 play.

Dallas gave up 3 shorthanded goals last night v. the Flyers. They should've lost that game.

 

[Bobby Orrtuzzo]

Binnington has the best save percentage of any goalie who has played in 3+ games so far.

Just for laughs with early season stats, here is a trip down Blues memory lane:
63. Phoenix Copely 74%
55. Joel Hofer 86%
50. Charles Lindgren 89%
35. Ville Husso 90%
28. Jake Allen 91%
4. Jordan Binnington 96%

Lindgren must be a typo there. He’s literally the best goalie to ever exist.

 

[HighNote]

Lindgren must be a typo there. He’s literally the best goalie to ever exist.

Made me laugh so hard my side burns.

 

[BlueDream]

Made me laugh so hard my side burns.

What about your side burns? Are they long?

 

[542365]

Binnington has the best save percentage of any goalie who has played in 3+ games so far.

Just for laughs with early season stats, here is a trip down Blues memory lane:
63. Phoenix Copely 74%
55. Joel Hofer 86%
50. Charles Lindgren 89%
35. Ville Husso 90%
28. Jake Allen 91%
4. Jordan Binnington 96%

He’s 2nd in goals saved above expected too. By xG he would be expected to give up 5 more goals than he has in his 3 games.

 

[Renard]

Who knew that Lars Eller and Jeff Carter were still in the league?. And playing for the Penguins?

I sure didn't, until I watched the replay of last night's game.

 

[TheDizee]

Lindgren must be a typo there. He’s literally the best goalie to ever exist.

chuckie is hurt. only reason hes not playing.

 

[Stupendous Yappi]

Made me laugh so hard my side burns.

Post of the Year.

 

[bleedblue1223]

Binnington has always been a really good goalie. The issue with him more recently has been that he's someone that thrives when he faces typical adversity where he embraces the villain role in the us against the world, but when there is no support, no one can shoulder everything that comes with that. It's a constant onslaught of pucks, opposition targeting you try and get you off your game, and you believing that you have to spark your team in some manner. The goalie shouldn't be responsible for sparking a team, unless it's from their play stopping pucks.

It's finding that balance for himself.

 

[Majorityof1]

Binnington has always been a really good goalie. The issue with him more recently has been that he's someone that thrives when he faces typical adversity where he embraces the villain role in the us against the world, but when there is no support, no one can shoulder everything that comes with that. It's a constant onslaught of pucks, opposition targeting you try and get you off your game, and you believing that you have to spark your team in some manner. The goalie shouldn't be responsible for sparking a team, unless it's from their play stopping pucks.

It's finding that balance for himself.

I disagree. He is at his worst when playing the villain. He is at his best when displaying a calm, confidence that might border on cockiness but is antic free. When he is stick -swinging, fight-starting, generally being a psychopath, that is not him at his best. That is him on tilt. He is way off his game. Thise antics sparked us to success once, and that was because he was ejected. We aren't winning if he is on tilt and still in the game

I loved Binner his first year with us, even before the cup. Coming in stealing the job, do I look nervous Binner ruled. I hate Binner now. Swinging his stick, looking for fights, whining. That shtick is childish and disruptive. I want him gone along with Toropchenko, Ott, and Krug. Even if losing him makes us worse, I hate having to cheer for those players.

 

[Stupendous Yappi]

I disagree. He is at his worst when playing the villain. He is at his best when displaying a calm, confidence that might border on cockiness but is antic free. When he is stick -swinging, fight-starting, generally being a psychopath, that is not him at his best. That is him on tilt. He is way off his game. Thise antics sparked us to success once, and that was because he was ejected. We aren't winning if he is on tilt and still in the game

I loved Binner his first year with us, even before the cup. Coming in stealing the job, do I look nervous Binner ruled. I hate Binner now. Swinging his stick, looking for fights, whining. That shtick is childish and disruptive. I want him gone along with Toropchenko, Ott, and Krug. Even if losing him makes us worse, I hate having to cheer for those players.

I don't see much difference between what you're describing and how he acted after the Hand Pass. He followed he ref and swung his stick against the glass. He didn't take much criticism for it at the time, but it was the same type of outburst that you're talking about. He was pretty dialed in after that, too.

He is what he is, and I think the outbursts are more calculated than people realize. But maybe they're not. Either way, doesn't bother me at all. I certainly haven't seen him lose his composure and then play poorly at the position. I think that's a fiction.

 

[Xerloris]

I don't see much difference between what you're describing and how he acted after the Hand Pass. He followed he ref and swung his stick against the glass. He didn't take much criticism for it at the time, but it was the same type of outburst that you're talking about. He was pretty dialed in after that, too.

He is what he is, and I think the outbursts are more calculated than people realize. But maybe they're not. Either way, doesn't bother me at all. I certainly haven't seen him lose his composure and then play poorly at the position. I think that's a fiction.

He only "acts up" when the team is playing like shit. He drags them into it. How many times has he done this and the team comes back and wins? Some people have just never played and don't understand the emotions and what it takes to get the guys into it. It's a violent sport, antics are to be expected.

 

[Stupendous Yappi]

Rivers may improve with time, but Darren Pang was already at the top of his field when St Louis hired him away from Arizona. The broadcasts have become pretty hard to watch. Can they let Alexa Dach do the color instead?

The overall broadcast has become borderline amateurish. God love him, but Bernie is inarticulate. "Sideline" reporter Andy Strickland is a smiling buffoon. He asks a question, ignores whatever the person is saying as he gets ready for his next question, and generally looks like has zero professional background in journalism. (Maybe he doesn't?) Did he just get the job because he's an 'insider'?

When John Kelly is the strength of the entire endeavor, it tells you a lot. Pang really helped bring out his best, but he's lost that wingman now. Some of the subtle stuff Pang did like his deferential nature and timing, setting up his colleagues to shine....its all gone now.

 

[Xerloris]

Rivers may improve with time, but Darren Pang was already at the top of his field when St Louis hired him away from Arizona. The broadcasts have become pretty hard to watch. Can they let Alexa Dach do the color instead?

The overall broadcast has become borderline amateurish. God love him, but Bernie is inarticulate. "Sideline" reporter Andy Strickland is a smiling buffoon. He asks a question, ignores whatever the person is saying as he gets ready for his next question, and generally looks like has zero professional background in journalism. (Maybe he doesn't?) Did he just get the job because he's an 'insider'?

When John Kelly is the strength of the entire endeavor, it tells you a lot. Pang really helped bring out his best, but he's lost that wingman now. Some of the subtle stuff Pang did like his deferential nature and timing, setting up his colleagues to shine....its all gone now.

Rivers needs to go. They need to replace him with Chaser, Kerbs or Vitale. God please do it soon because I can't go an entire season with Rivers.

 

[Majorityof1]

I don't see much difference between what you're describing and how he acted after the Hand Pass. He followed he ref and swung his stick against the glass. He didn't take much criticism for it at the time, but it was the same type of outburst that you're talking about. He was pretty dialed in after that, too.

He is what he is, and I think the outbursts are more calculated than people realize. But maybe they're not. Either way, doesn't bother me at all. I certainly haven't seen him lose his composure and then play poorly at the position. I think that's a fiction.

I don't remember his reaction after the hand pass. Maybe winning cures all. But he swung his stick against the glass as you say. That's different than in the vicinity of a player. I definitely think its calculated. That makes it worse for me. And maybe it's the tail wagging the dog as he unleashes his antics when he is playing poorly as opposed to the antics making him play poorly. Either way, it doesn't make things better anymore, if it ever did.

 

[bleedblue1223]

I disagree. He is at his worst when playing the villain. He is at his best when displaying a calm, confidence that might border on cockiness but is antic free. When he is stick -swinging, fight-starting, generally being a psychopath, that is not him at his best. That is him on tilt. He is way off his game. Thise antics sparked us to success once, and that was because he was ejected. We aren't winning if he is on tilt and still in the game

I loved Binner his first year with us, even before the cup. Coming in stealing the job, do I look nervous Binner ruled. I hate Binner now. Swinging his stick, looking for fights, whining. That shtick is childish and disruptive. I want him gone along with Toropchenko, Ott, and Krug. Even if losing him makes us worse, I hate having to cheer for those players.

I view both of those as being the villain, one is controlled, and one is unhinged. When he came up, he had the mentality of wanting to prove everyone wrong, to always bounce back after a loss. The, "do I look nervous" comment to me is something a villain would say, but a villain that is in control of the situation.

We agree though, he's at his best, when he has that ice in his veins, he's calm and controlled, and wants to take on the world. He's at his worst when he feels like he's the only one on the team that can do anything, and that leads him to doing dumb stuff and he loses his focus.

 

[bleedblue1223]

And after the hand pass, Binny was absolutely going after the refs, some with Schenn, Petro, and others. The difference between that and what's happened in more recent years, that team put it to bed that night, and went right back to work and didn't let it impact them in future games. That team also had the talent and leadership to do that, where currently I'd say we lack, so Binnington tries to do more, which causes more issues.

I'm also fine with stuff like that when it's justified, but not the antics, just to try and create a spark.

 

[TK 421]

The last time Jamie Rivers did something cool was '92-'93 when he scored 121 points for the Sudbury Wolves.

 

[joe galiba]

Rivers needs to go. They need to replace him with Chaser, Kerbs or Vitale. God please do it soon because I can't go an entire season with Rivers.

Last time I heard Chase, he sounded like he was testing too much of his product
Kerbs isn't that good and he is a play by play guy anyway
Vitale might be an option, he does go off topic like Pang, but in a more weird, esoteric way, it could work, Kelly seems better when he has a more bubbly sidekick

 

[Stupendous Yappi]

I don't remember his reaction after the hand pass. Maybe winning cures all. But he swung his stick against the glass as you say. That's different than in the vicinity of a player. I definitely think its calculated. That makes it worse for me. And maybe it's the tail wagging the dog as he unleashes his antics when he is playing poorly as opposed to the antics making him play poorly. Either way, it doesn't make things better anymore, if it ever did.

It was in the vicinity of the ref. He followed across the ice to the opposite exit the refs used (with a couple other players complaining) and swung his stick into the glass uncomfortably close to the ref. I think it was worse than tossing a water bottle by a mile. But no one seemed to complain on this forum then.