2023-2024 Blues Multi-Purpose Thread

[Majorityof1]

It was in the vicinity of the ref. He followed across the ice to the opposite exit the refs used (with a couple other players complaining) and swung his stick into the glass uncomfortably close to the ref. I think it was worse than tossing a water bottle by a mile. But no one seemed to complain on this forum then.

I don't remember, so I can't really say. It may be hypocroisy because we were winning. It may be because these things kind of add up. Once, ok, that was dumb, but on the 5th, 6th or 7th time it gets old. Not sure. I just know I am sick of seeing it now.

 

[Xerloris]

I don't remember, so I can't really say. It may be hypocroisy because we were winning. It may be because these things kind of add up. Once, ok, that was dumb, but on the 5th, 6th or 7th time it gets old. Not sure. I just know I am sick of seeing it now.

But we weren't winning. That was the point of the hand pass.

 

[HighNote]

Rivers needs to go. They need to replace him with Chaser, Kerbs or Vitale. God please do it soon because I can't go an entire season with Rivers.

Vitale might be an option, he does go off topic like Pang, but in a more weird, esoteric way, it could work, Kelly seems better when he has a more bubbly sidekick

I'd like Vitale, but I don't think he's an option for quite some time. His wife came in to where I work shortly after Rivers got the job and I mentioned how I was pulling for Joe. She said he wasn't interested at the moment because they have young kids and doing TV would be much more involved than radio.

 

[Fez Whatley]

Binnington s heel turns make him my favorite player

 

[Davimir Tarablad]

I don't remember, so I can't really say. It may be hypocroisy because we were winning. It may be because these things kind of add up. Once, ok, that was dumb, but on the 5th, 6th or 7th time it gets old. Not sure. I just know I am sick of seeing it now.

I think it was best when he was doing small things to try and get the team going, like when he bumped into Clifford during a stoppage and started a scrum. Unfortunately, he's escalated his antics because the smaller stuff was no longer firing up the team like it had in the past, and it's gotten out of hand multiple times now.

 

[WeWentBlues]

I don't get all the Jamie Rivers hate

 

[Vladys Gumption]

Rivers may improve with time, but Darren Pang was already at the top of his field when St Louis hired him away from Arizona. The broadcasts have become pretty hard to watch. Can they let Alexa Dach do the color instead?

The overall broadcast has become borderline amateurish. God love him, but Bernie is inarticulate. "Sideline" reporter Andy Strickland is a smiling buffoon. He asks a question, ignores whatever the person is saying as he gets ready for his next question, and generally looks like has zero professional background in journalism. (Maybe he doesn't?) Did he just get the job because he's an 'insider'?

When John Kelly is the strength of the entire endeavor, it tells you a lot. Pang really helped bring out his best, but he's lost that wingman now. Some of the subtle stuff Pang did like his deferential nature and timing, setting up his colleagues to shine....its all gone now.

It’s to the point where I almost prefer national crews. It’s really sad how far the broadcast has fallen.

 

[wiscrev]

It’s to the point where I almost prefer national crews. It’s really sad how far the broadcast has fallen.

And then there were those who hated Panger! What say they now? The broadcast has definitely taken a downturn.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

And then there were those who hated Panger! What say they now? The broadcast has definitely taken a downturn.

Paneer was annoying. Rivers is dull. But rivers could improve.

 

[Brian39]

It was in the vicinity of the ref. He followed across the ice to the opposite exit the refs used (with a couple other players complaining) and swung his stick into the glass uncomfortably close to the ref. I think it was worse than tossing a water bottle by a mile. But no one seemed to complain on this forum then.

Your memory is failing you here. Schenn slammed his stick on the glass, but Binner did not.

Sportsnet shows Binner chasing down the refs with no stick swing:



The NBC Sports broadcast doesn't show Binner's approach, but shows him talking to the refs and then his exit from the ice.



There is overlap of the 2 videos, so there definitely isn't a missed moment where he could have swung his stick on the glass.

 

[BrokenFace]

I don't get all the Jamie Rivers hate

I wouldn't call it hate, but he just comes off as extremely smug, which is a sharp contrast to Panger. It seems like he almost has contempt for players or organizations who don't do things the "right" way, but his idea of the right way is really narrow and not always based on what leads to success. Not just on the broadcasts but on radio and podcasts too.

 

[Stupendous Yappi]

Your memory is failing you here. Schenn slammed his stick on the glass, but Binner did not.

Sportsnet shows Binner chasing down the refs with no stick swing:



The NBC Sports broadcast doesn't show Binner's approach, but shows him talking to the refs and then his exit from the ice.



There is overlap of the 2 videos, so there definitely isn't a missed moment where he could have swung his stick on the glass.

Thanks. I guess I conflated Schenn’s swing with Binnington.

I do think I’ve seen footage that isn’t represented here, but maybe that is faulty memory too.

 

[Xerloris]

I don't get all the Jamie Rivers hate

Rivers is the hockey version of Ben Stein.

Your memory is failing you here. Schenn slammed his stick on the glass, but Binner did not.

Binner absolutely did. I'll find the video.

Even the video you linked the announcers said Binny slammed his stick on the boards.

 

[BlueDream]

I love Binnington, easily one of my top 5 favorite players on the team. Give me guys with that type of fire any day of the week.

 

[Brian39]

Binner absolutely did. I'll find the video.

Even the video you linked the announcers said Binny slammed his stick on the boards.

They refer to him cracking his stick on the boards before they show him entering the zone that the officials are located in.

Yappi was talking about him slamming his stick on the glass uncomfortably close to an official after skating up to them. Doing it in the neutral zone before skating toward refs standing at the goal line isn't remotely what was being talked about.

 

[Xerloris]

They refer to him cracking his stick on the boards before they show him entering the zone that the officials are located in.

Yappi was talking about him slamming his stick on the glass uncomfortably close to an official after skating up to them. Doing it in the neutral zone before skating toward refs standing at the goal line isn't remotely what was being talked about.

You do understand that the play happened in the other end and therefore the refs were at some point in the other end and the Blues players followed them down to the other exit?

 

[Thallis]

I don't get all the Jamie Rivers hate

He's a bad homer and wrong 60% of the time. The dude has said multiple times that the Blues should dump and chase and take shots from anywhere. It's bland coach speak that you tell peewees, not a coherent game plan in the modern NHL. Every game he's ever been on the broadcast I've had to wonder if he's actually watching the game or doesn't understand how the league works.

 

[Brian39]

You do understand that the play happened in the other end and therefore the refs were at some point in the other end and the Blues players followed them down to the other exit?

You do understand that part is also in the videos I linked with zero evidence or mention of Binner swinging his stick near an official?

At no point do you see Binner near an official along the boards/glass and the refs congregate at the red line well before any mention of stick slamming. Binner is making his case about the hand pass and then peels off to go back to his goal. He isn't anywhere remotely close to an official again until they are down in the opposite end.

I found an article that has video of Binner hitting the glass. He is on our side of the red line and the officials are all in the corner on the opposite end of the ice. This would be the moment the commentators are referring to.

Binner very obviously didn't slam his stick on the boards/glass anywhere in the remote vicinity of an official.

 

[execwrite1]

Really enjoying the work of Matthew DeFranks as the beat reporter for the P-D.

Good game stories and seems to have a handle on what's going on inside the team.

 

[Xerloris]

You do understand that part is also in the videos I linked with zero evidence or mention of Binner swinging his stick near an official?

At no point do you see Binner near an official along the boards/glass and the refs congregate at the red line well before any mention of stick slamming. Binner is making his case about the hand pass and then peels off to go back to his goal. He isn't anywhere remotely close to an official again until they are down in the opposite end.

I found an article that has video of Binner hitting the glass. He is on our side of the red line and the officials are all in the corner on the opposite end of the ice. This would be the moment the commentators are referring to.

Binner very obviously didn't slam his stick on the boards/glass anywhere in the remote vicinity of an official.

I'm only arguing that Binner did swing his stick, I have no idea if it was close to an official or not.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

Really enjoying the work of Matthew DeFranks as the beat reporter for the P-D.

Good game stories and seems to have a handle on what's going on inside the team.

It's refreshing to have an actual beat reporter at StLPD. Thomas tried but he was football guy learning hockey on the fly. Timmerman is fine but again not fulltime hockey guy. And before that we had JR, who I think we all know at this point what he is.

 

[ezcreepin]

He's a bad homer and wrong 60% of the time. The dude has said multiple times that the Blues should dump and chase and take shots from anywhere. It's bland coach speak that you tell peewees, not a coherent game plan in the modern NHL. Every game he's ever been on the broadcast I've had to wonder if he's actually watching the game or doesn't understand how the league works.

Panger would get annoying at times with his interruptions mid celebration or little things during the broadcast that either didn't need to be said or blind homerism, BUT he's a really likeable guy and I don't remember him saying many wrong things. If we could have had a broadcast with Ken Wilson and Panger, I think it would've been really good, but Kelly and Pang were fine.

Rivers on the other hand does things that irk me when it probably shouldn't. His knowledge of the game is outdated, he mispronounces obvious names, and I don't feel like he gives great insight to the game where I thought Pang did much better than him. He can improve, but I think there is absolutely a better color commentator the Blues can hire next year.

It's refreshing to have an actual beat reporter at StLPD. Thomas tried but he was football guy learning hockey on the fly. Timmerman is fine but again not fulltime hockey guy. And before that we had JR, who I think we all know at this point what he is.

Jeremy Rutherford, the "Blues Insider". Still annoys the f*** out of me when I hear that. I don't remember the last time he wrote breaking news or anything super interesting about this team in the past 10 years.

 

[oPlaiD]

Mispronouncing names regularly as commentator is a big pet peeve of mine. To me it feels like the most basic requirement of the job and it feels like you aren't taking it seriously if you can't spend 30 minutes before a broadcast learning how to properly say the names of the players you're calling.

To be fair I've always had a somewhat intuitive understanding of how things are pronounced so maybe I don't truly understand how difficult it might be for an average person. But then, it isn't the average person's job.

 

[542365]

Mispronouncing names regularly as commentator is a big pet peeve of mine. To me it feels like the most basic requirement of the job and it feels like you aren't taking it seriously if you can't spend 30 minutes before a broadcast learning how to properly say the names of the players you're calling.

To be fair I've always had a somewhat intuitive understanding of how things are pronounced so maybe I don't truly understand how difficult it might be for an average person. But then, it isn't the average person's job.

That’s a big one for me too, especially for regional guys who only have to learn one team each game. There’s a media guide with player-provided pronunciations for a reason. Do a little homework.

 

[mk80]

Rivers on the other hand does things that irk me when it probably shouldn't. His knowledge of the game is outdated, he mispronounces obvious names, and I don't feel like he gives great insight to the game where I thought Pang did much better than him. He can improve, but I think there is absolutely a better color commentator the Blues can hire next year.

My thinking is he doesn't want to do it, but I'd give Mike Mckenna a shot at it. if he does. He was the studio analyst in Vegas 2 seasons ago, I think now he is on a NHL Network Sirius/XM show too



Edit: I thought he stepped down on his own, but now I can't find anything official that says he did. But here's another article on his TV time out there, the organization gave him some high praise TV analyst no longer part of Golden Knights broadcasts