2022 Training Camp Thread

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

As the Nic Hague drama gets more and more deep, I wonder if the Canes can help out Vegas once again. I wouldn't be against some transaction involving Hague for Bear + Bokk + late 2023 1st or Philly's 2024 2nd. You can give him a 1 year "show-me" and if he's good, then make him Skjei's successor and extend him medium-term.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

As the Nic Hague drama gets more and more deep, I wonder if the Canes can help out Vegas once again. I wouldn't be against some transaction involving Hague for Bear + Bokk + late 2023 1st or Philly's 2024 2nd.

I like Hague but Im not paying that much for a 3rd pairing Ld.

He doesn’t provide much offense, isn’t overly physical for being 6’6 and isn’t consistent with his decision making in his own zone.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

I like Hague but Im not paying that much for a 3rd pairing Ld.

He doesn’t provide much offense, isn’t overly physical for being 6’6 and isn’t consistent with his decision making in his own zone.

Canes wouldn't pay that asset price to be a 3rd pairing guy. They would pay that price if, like Kotkaniemi succeeding Trocheck, they think that Hague can be Skjei's successor.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Canes wouldn't pay that price to be a 3rd pairing guy. They would pay that price if, like Kotkaniemi succeeding Trocheck, they think that Hague will be a good successor to Skjei.

Shouldn’t pay that price anyways.

If we want to be a part of a 3 way where we send Bear to Vancouver, Dermott goes to Vegas, and we get Hague (we throw in some small equalizer(s) to Vegas), then sure sign me up. Not throwing our best trade asset for a guy we could have offered sheeted 2 months ago for a 2nd round pick.

 

[Novacane]

Not going to reschedule our game against the Lightning

 

[MadeUpName]

As the Nic Hague drama gets more and more deep, I wonder if the Canes can help out Vegas once again. I wouldn't be against some transaction involving Hague for Bear + Bokk + late 2023 1st or Philly's 2024 2nd. You can give him a 1 year "show-me" and if he's good, then make him Skjei's successor and extend him medium-term.

2023 1st for Hague is insanity

That is more than the price they paid for an established and long-term signed top-4 D in Skjei. Especially for a 2023 1st.

I'd offer Bear + 3rd

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

2023 1st for Hague is insanity

That is more than the price they paid for an established and long-term signed top-4 D in Skjei. Especially for a 2023 1st.

I'd offer Bear + 3rd

I strongly disagree. I think that the value of late first rounders are extremely overblown. The Canes price paid for Skjei turned out to be a huge buy-low in hindsight, though the Rangers did well to trade up and get Braden Schneider with that pick. Considering that our 2023 pick will be even later, in all likelihood, than the one that we gave up for Skjei, Hague would certainly be an interesting candidate to invest in with a late first.

 

[A Star is Burns]

Some say the best trades are oftentimes the ones you don't make. I disagree. I find the best moves are the trades @TheRillestPaulFenton suggests that you don't make.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

I would have to disagree with the strong disagreement. He hasn’t had 20 points yet in the league. He also has very mixed ratings across the advanced spectrums. Canes paid a 1st because of the bid battle with Florida for Skjei which they gladly accepted. It wasn’t a buy low even now. The crunched cap made guys like Skjei available for cheap and better cap hits.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

the value of a 1st round pick isn't necessarily the player you draft with it, it's many times the player you can acquire with it. Moving that pick now for Hague means you don't have that pick at your disposal at the trade deadline. I'm not sure that is the best use of our 1st round pick given this team's goals this season. I'd rather wait until we are near/at the deadline and see what injuries we have and what holes we need to fill.

It was similar with Skjei, but we had two factors in play. 1. Hamilton and Pesce were hurt so the Canes were more desperate. 2. Canes had 2 first round picks that year and barring a lottery win, were trading the worst of the two picks which would presumably be a later round pick.

I wasn't sold at the time and I'm still not sold that the Kotkaniemi move was the right one. Last season, it basically was spending $6M in cap space for a 4C. It left no cap space at the deadline and no 1st round pick for the team to make a move, so we ended up with Domi for cheap.

I get the rationale though. The move wasn't made for short term though so the jury is still out on it.

 

[SlavinAway]

I posted in the GDT too but probably belongs here. Potential Bear trade incoming, though I'm surprised they're playing him today if true.

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

Some say the best trades are oftentimes the ones you don't make. I disagree. I find the best moves are the trades @TheRillestPaulFenton suggests that you don't make.

I don't know how to read this

Best moves are the trades that he says not to make

OR

Best moves are trades he says to make but you don't make

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

I don't know how to read this

Best moves are the trades that he says not to make

OR

Best moves are trades he says to make but you don't make

I think ignorance is bliss. Reading can rob you of that

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

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I posted in the GDT too but probably belongs here. Potential Bear trade incoming, though I'm surprised they're playing him today if true.

I thought we concluded that this was a spoof account and not the same person that had the insider info during the off-season?

 

[SlavinAway]

I thought we concluded that this was a spoof account and not the same person that had the insider info during the off-season?

I must've missed that. I thought the new account had predicted something correctly too.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I must've missed that. I thought the new account had predicted something correctly too.

Not really. Some said they had the jersey reveal first, but they also said Lenovo would have the naming rights for the arena and a few other things that haven't come true. Also has a "Dallas TX" as it's location which is clearly making a Tom Dundon reference.

There's a Vancouver insider that said that the Canucks were after Bear a short time ago and Van. fans said that if he was reporting it, it's close to a done deal, so that information is already out there. None of us will be surprised if it happens, but this account didn't call it first as that info is already out there.

EDIT: And note the timing of this. Canes announce the CDH signing at 12:21, and then this account tweets this out at 12:22. IMO, he's just piggy backing off the rumor that's already out there and the CDH signing and guessing that a Bear trade will happen because of it. It's logical and he'll look like he's legit if it happens.

I still think that twitter account is an HFCanes poster.

 

[spockBokk]

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I posted in the GDT too but probably belongs here. Potential Bear trade incoming, though I'm surprised they're playing him today if true.

I think the CDH news came out at 12:20pm, this tweet 2 mins later. My bet would be that this is just a guess based on rumors already out there and hoping to claim insider status if Bear is traded soon.

If they really were in talks to trade Bear, so you really think he’d be playing, even in preseason? I’d love for this to be a real insider account, like the other one proved to be, but I doubt it.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Faulk did play in a Hurricanes pre-season game before being dealt in 2019.

 

[MadeUpName]

I think the CDH news came out at 12:20pm, this tweet 2 mins later. My bet would be that this is just a guess based on rumors already out there and hoping to claim insider status if Bear is traded soon.

If they really were in talks to trade Bear, so you really think he’d be playing, even in preseason? I’d love for this to be a real insider account, like the other one proved to be, but I doubt it.

I don't see why they wouldn't play Bear. Vancouver (or someone else) would probably like to see him out there in game shape before pulling the trigger on a deal. If I was Vancouver I may request it specifically. Especially with his previous conditioning concerns.

 

[Discipline Daddy]

I don't see why they wouldn't play Bear. Vancouver (or someone else) would probably like to see him out there in game shape before pulling the trigger on a deal. If I was Vancouver I may request it specifically. Especially with his previous conditioning concerns.

LOL if I were Don Waddell I might tell Brindy to not play Bear at all to help build his case for a trade. Bear didn't do much to improve his stock, IMO. Play him a game with Slavin if you want to try that. We aren't the team to pull that kind of shenanigan I don't think.

It takes care of a problem to deal Bear. I think Bear is a good person and he might eventually be a 2nd pairing guy. But on a contending team it just doesn't make sense to have him here, and his salary is a bit rich for the 3rd pair. The Bear/De Haan pairing in particular didn't work for me because De Haan doesn't have the foot speed to cover up for Bear's mistakes. It's a weird situation overall where the smoke only connects Bear to one team. I'm guessing Waddell has named his price and is willing to wait and never make a move if his price isn't met.

 

[sheriff bart]

Went today. Here’s some size comparison. Burns and Brindy

 

[MinJaBen]

Went today. Here’s some size comparison. Burns and Brindy
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Big. Dude.

 

[HisIceness]

Burns looks like he could beat up Rod

 

[htdoc]

He may be late thirties and have slowed down a bit from his youth, but he sure can use his size to cover a lot of ground in a hurry…. And cover a lot of ice without really even having to move a lot… and wow has he got a quick release when he wants to let it go…. And I imagine we will see a whole lot more of what we saw yesterday with his 12 shot attempts every night during the season…. Can’t wait for it… he Thinks the game at a speed we haven’t seen much from our d over the years… and that isn’t meant to be an insult to our guys at all…. We have had some really really good d men who can play and make decisions at speed.….. It’s just that he is elite in that regard and having that on our club is going to be sooooo awesome…. Slavin can be Slavin… he doesn’t have to cover for his d partner and try to play his game as well.. he can just play his game and trust Burns will mostly be fine on his own and take care of his business……. i really liked what TDA did for us last year….. im happy it got him a good a nice new deal…. But im glad we are spending essentially the same amount of salary cap on Burns the next couple years…

 

[hag65]

Went today. Here’s some size comparison. Burns and Brindy
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My advice to Brindy is to let the Wookie win.