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WJC: 2022 Team Russia roster talk

Kshahdoo

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Atas2000 said:
Every law is stupid and not cared about until it is implemented. The implementation is 90%, the words on paper less than 10. We'll see how they will implement that.
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Nah, this law is particually stupid, because nobody will stay in Russia untill 23, if they can play in the NHL earlier. 20-21 would be ok. 23 - no chance.

And it's without the implementation factor. With it the law can be stupid even for 20-21 year olds.
 

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Larionov the Californean was the head coach. At this ooportunity could you remind me of the outcome for that Larionov team?
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Even before Larionov Russia has not won WJC for awhile so its not just him . I’d hardly blame the CHL players for those losses. If this team wins maybe continue doing that but imo best players should be picked regardless of where they play .
 
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He did and he was bad at it. Can a player improve in a year. Yes, absolutely? But there was no opportunity for russian coaches this year to follow the players in NA or play them in games. Chayka I get it refused to come to camp in Russia or wasn't released to come. In both cases I totally back the decision to leave him off the roster.
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I believe that was this summer. Chayka chose to stay in NA for the NHL draft instead of attend summer camp. Larionov was pissed off about it.

Maybe Zubov is looking for 100% committment from his players. If this is the case I have no problem with Chayka's ommission.
 
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Ironically, the last Gold medal winning team (2011) had only 1 NA based player......backup goalie Bobkov.
 
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Oh that... yes. I fear that too. That all the people who bashed Bragin with palpable satisfaction will come to realize a concept you don't agree with is better than no concept at all. That's what I feared under Larionov and it was painfully obvious at the last WJC(because "we will reincarnate the soviet game" is not a concept, but a pipe-dream).
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Yes, there already been concept issues with Larionov, but here I look at the roster and just don't understand some things like cutting one of the rare big right-handed guy in Trineyev or taking Savikov and not Makarov etc., so like what type of team are we exactly building? Or just inserting some guys in the lineup and changing something, hoping that we'll be so lucky that it will work?


Btw, since everyone is discussing the decision to not to take NA-based players I would like to mention one rather important factor: if a player is called up at this point he can't be cut, so for example if Chayka or someone would join the team and for some reason he would be pretty bad in camp, there is no way to get rid of him anymore, which is an additional risk.
 
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Atas2000

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wings5 said:
Even before Larionov Russia has not won WJC for awhile so its not just him . I’d hardly blame the CHL players for those losses. If this team wins maybe continue doing that but imo best players should be picked regardless of where they play .
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What is this obsession with gold medals? Winning 2 gold medals in that span and then failing in the 1/4 in every other year is way way worse than medalling every year, but not winnning gold.

Before the great Larionov Russia did not medal ONCE in 2018 since 2010. And then came Larionov.

And no one blames CHL players for losses.

Best players should be picked, BUT if the players CHOSE to play in the CHL and there is no exposure to the NT coaches. What should coaches do? Pick players based on stats? In a junior league? This is a somewhat unique situation this year due to COVID again, but I totally understand the decision to go with players who are actually known to the coaching staff and played in actual games on the NT this season.
 

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Atas2000 said:
He did and he was bad at it. Can a player improve in a year. Yes, absolutely? But there was no opportunity for russian coaches this year to follow the players in NA or play them in games. Chayka I get it refused to come to camp in Russia or wasn't released to come. In both cases I totally back the decision to leave him off the roster.
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Not at all, by not picking him, the D core is clearly weaker. Also, Kuznetsov was playing AHL this year, so he is probably more efficient than he was last year. Usually, every AHL player makes the team.
 

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(3) Dylan Griffing on Twitter: "With no North American's joining the team, here's a line-up we can expect from the Russians at the World Juniors. https://t.co/M4ueVfZnFv" / Twitter

i really hope Russia doesnt hide Yurov on the 4th line would be a complete waste
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Why? Because some idiot-journalist made up a completely stupid lineup prediction?

He has Khusnutdinov at center while it was already leaked that he is expected to play on the wing. And Svechkov on the wing:laugh: He has Tankov on the 2nd line(in the actiual Yurov spot) for whatever reason.

He simply has no clue.
 
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Atas2000 said:
What is this obsession with gold medals? Winning 2 gold medals in that span and then failing in the 1/4 in every other year is way way worse than medalling every year, but not winnning gold.

Before the great Larionov Russia did not medal ONCE in 2018 since 2010. And then came Larionov.

And no one blames CHL players for losses.

Best players should be picked, BUT if the players CHOSE to play in the CHL and there is no exposure to the NT coaches. What should coaches do? Pick players based on stats? In a junior league? This is a somewhat unique situation this year due to COVID again, but I totally understand the decision to go with players who are actually known to the coaching staff and played in actual games on the NT this season.
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Yeah, but coaching staff probably saw enough of Kuznetsov and Chayka last year. However, it's not the first time a player is cut after he made the team the year before. It happened with Lapierre with Team Canada this year. He even played in the NHL. Sometimes, it's hard to understand coaches' decisions. I guess some players become weaker in a year span for some reasons.
 
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Not at all, by not picking him, the D core is clearly weaker. Also, Kuznetsov was playing AHL this year, so he is probably more efficient than he was last year. Usually, every AHL player makes the team.
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Usually there is a Canada-Russia-Series where NA based players get to play and coaches and fans alike can actually see what a player can and can't do. A lot of players played themselves in or out of a WJC spot in that series in the past. Some of the players that did not impress in the series had great stats in NA. Say Scherbak who was a 1st round pick and had back-to-back something like 80 pts seasons in the CHL. He is now playing in Slovakia. Picking payers based on stats is risky at best.

I am not saying Kuznetsov is bad by any measure. I am just saying I understand the decision to not pick players coaches have little idea about this season.

And for the conspiracy theorists, it is not about NA vs. Russia. It is not punishing players for something. Ponomaryov is a loan by the Canes and was Larionovs favorite. And he is on the team.
 
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Where is the problem? In my opinion, Russia wil win one of the medals at 70%. Even without Chayka and N/A players, they have the strongest team after Canada. Zubov has the same responsibility if he fails, people in Russia criticize him.

Sometimes it is better to trust the choice of coach, because he sees the player during the season and also knows exactly what player he needs and what role he entrusts. Sweden is main my team and even though it only has two WJC wins in history, I don't at all. The important thing is how many players get into the NHL and whether they will become a franchise player. This is more then a gold medal.
 

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Atas2000 said:
Usually there is a Canada-Russia-Series where NA based players get to play and coaches and fans alike can actually see what a player can and can't do. A lot of players played themselves in or out of a WJC spot in that series in the past. Some of the players that did not impress in the series had great stats in NA. Say Scherbak who was a 1st round pick and had back-to-back something like 80 pts seasons in the CHL. He is now playing in Slovakia. Picking payers based on stats is risky at best.

I am not saying Kuznetsov is bad by any measure. I am just saying I understand the decision to not pick players coaches have little idea about this season.

And for the conspiracy theorists, it is not about NA vs. Russia. It is not punishing players for something. Ponomaryov is a loan by the Canes and was Larionovs favorite. And he is on the team.
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Yeah totally right, so you are saying that one of the factors for the last year's loss is that they invited NA players by knowing not much about them ?
 

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RussiaOvi said:
Yeah totally right, so you are saying that one of the factors for the last year's loss is that they invited NA players by knowing not much about them ?
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More like Larionov had no real concept(and no idea how to organize a D) and a bad class of 2001 born defencemen so they relied on 2002 underagers and gave them a load to carry that was far beyond their capabilities. Mukhamadullin was on that team either and he was just the same kind of an animal. And that bad performance might have affected the decision now. They were bad last year and this season there is little input on them. Mukhamadullin at least plays a lot in the KHL.
 
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Every federation has their preferences. I don't see why Russia should get slagged for going with players exclusively from their domestic leagues. Canada typically does the same thing with the CHL and the U.S. with the NCAA/USHL. You go with what you know.
 
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BC Ben said:
Any truth to this:

Daniil Chayka and Yan Kuznetsov, who currently play in North America, were left off the preliminary list, but are very likely going to be joining the team when they travel across the pond.
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This is old news and what we thought was originally going to happen. Coach Zubov changed plans and made a statement saying they were going with the guys they already have.
 
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