You have missed the point completely! How many fully-equipped indoor rinks in Western Canada have been paid for and built by "volunteers?" How many head coaches in the CHL are inexperienced, unpaid novices who just kind of like hockey and wanted to volunteer their time to work with 17-19 year-old "children?" Come on! Canada spends a massive amount of money on hockey, far more than Russia, and they demand professionalism and excellence even at competitive youth levels. They mainly use volunteers to clean the toilets in between periods.
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You have missed the point completely! How many fully-equipped indoor rinks in Western Canada have been paid for and built by "volunteers?" How many head coaches in the CHL are inexperienced, unpaid novices who just kind of like hockey and wanted to volunteer their time to work with 17-19 year-old "children?" Come on! Canada spends a massive amount of money on hockey, far more than Russia, and they demand professionalism and excellence even at competitive youth levels. They mainly use volunteers to clean the toilets in between periods.
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No, I got your point - you just expressed your opinion about something you have a little knowledge about and now you look foolish
Firstly, a city owned indoor rink is usually a part of the athletic park, so it would be a part of a bigger infrastructure which would include a few outdoor fields for soccer and football, a few baseball diamonds, often a track and field set up and might have a swimming pool. Secondly, you still have to pay for usisng it, so the money is going to the city budget. Thirdly, the city rinks are not just for hockey - they have to allocate time for public and figure skating.
What does a for-profit league have to do with taxpayers money? CHL is a business with private owners so they can pay for their own coaches.
You will be surprised, but in Canada, it's the parents who bear the costs to develop a hockey player, not the government.
Facility maintenance and custodial staff are never volunteers and they are most likely Union members with decent salaries and benefits. By the way, based on my experience, a lot of community volunteer coaches are former WHL, NCAA, and AHL level players. I even met a couple of former NHLers coaching community teams. So, the level of community coaching is actually not that bad and yes, they do it for free.
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CHL teams are independently run businesses. They pay coaches well because it’s an extremely important thing to stay competetive. They don’t get funded by Canada Hockey.
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Actually, I agree. I didn't find Guskov better and throwing a 3rd goalie in at this point could be a disaster.
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Yes, that would be a very good start and I also think creating something like an "Education/Scolarship fund" for youth hockey players participating in the National Team program to pay for their university education should be considered. It might help keeping players in the country and bring the university level sports a level up.
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He looked ready. Yesterday he didn't even take his helmet off while on a bench. I feel really bad for the guy an I was hoping that the 3rd time would be a charm for him.
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Zubie. Another great player/head coach who doesn't know how to coach the National youth team. And no, I don't want to see Bragin again. I wonder why they wouldn't make Filatov a head coach.
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I am sorry to tell you this, but you missed the point again! I made some obvious tongue-in-cheek comments to dismiss your point that the amount of investment made in building hockey programs is somehow irrelevant, because the job is done, at least in Western Canada, for free by volunteers. Of all the major team sports, hockey is by far the most expensive. That is why only rich nations around the world can afford to play the sport. My point was, since wealth in Russia is limited to oil and gas, most local communities outside of Moscow lack the wealth to support something as frivolous as hockey rinks, and all that goes with it. At that point, you criticized me for not knowing what I was talking about, and then started spouting something about volunteerism being the key to building hockey infrasturcure. No, money builds hockey infrastructure. Canada has about 25% of the population of Russia, but more than 600% more indoor rinks, and 600% more players. In fact, I thought it was you who sounded a little naive talking about "volunteers."
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You simply don't get it. There is no government conspiracy in Canada to tax its citizens and invest this money in the hockey programs to dominate the world. The municipally owned indoor hockey rinks are bult as a part of the local sport infrastructure (along with soccer/football fields, swimming pools, baseball diamonds) and they are not for free - the collected money goes back to the city coffers. By the way, in Canada there are three times more kids who play organized soccer comparing to organized hockey. If the neighborhood kids want to play a free hockey game - they don't go to a city indoor rink, they simply go to a local outdoor rink (we have a dozen of them in the neighborhood and all of them were built and run by volunteers) The orgznized community hockey and soccer programs (that use the city owned facilities) are run by volunteers that makes the costs affordable. Yes, there are specialized programs for elite level youth athletes run by professionals, but these programs are not subsidized by the government (not sure about Quebec though). Mom and dad will have to pay for them.
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You went to great lengths there to tell me what I, and every other guy on the planet who pays attention to hockey, already knew. Canada isn't the only cold weather country that has backyard rinks like Wayne Gretzky famously did! In Russia, there are plenty of "yard rinks" in probably every apartment yard in the country - makeshift rinks put together by kids and, often times, their parents, who want to get them out of the apartment. Like every Canadian kid no doubt imagines he is Gretzky or Crosby, every Russian kid skates on yard rinks and dreams of being Ovechkin or Malkin. All of that is fine if you just want to talk about family fun,
But if you want to talk about advancing to international championships, you can't win international championships on yard rinks with volunteer moms and dads. You have to have reliable access to indoor ice 12 months per year - not just October through April. And you have to have access to qualified, trained coaches who can teach you how to use your basic skills in an organized, productive way. You have to join a team and compete against other organized teams that are sponsored by an established league, not here today and gone tomorrow moms and dads who are volunteering their time. The point I was trying to make was that even at the advanced youth levels, teams need regular access to indoor ice and other vital elements of development. As a point of their culture, Canada is a wealthy country that chooses to use its wealth to invest in hockey. Except for a few oil and gas enterprises like Gazprom and Lukoil, or the Federal Government treasury, very few Russian cities and districts have access to the resources necessary to build competitive youth programs. There are only a handful of good hockey schools in the entire country, the same few schools that produce national team players year after year. When resources are scarce, you have to make better use of what you have.
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The majority of the players avdancing to the CHL ([sic] national teams) is coming from either the community minor hockey (run by volunteers and at the certain levels coached by professional coaches) or from private sport schools (academies). My point is that all these programs are paid by moms and dads, not by the government and the wast majority of the Canadian kids plays minor hockey in their communites in teams coached by volunteer parents.
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Of course, every Canadian parent has a fantasy of THEIR little Garth becoming the next Wayne Gretzky, but what in the world does that have to do with raising the cold, hard cash that is required to build multi-million dollar ice rinks?
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LOL. You keep ignoring the fact that the hockey rinks are a part of the sport/rec infrastructure. What about raising money for building indoor swimming pools, indoor soccer fields, indoor track and field houses, indoor freaking speed skating facilities?
I lived in the Northern BC for 4 years in a city of 20,000 and they have all these things.
So, are you saying that all these facilities were built for free by volunteer moms and dads, or, did they rob a bank to get the money?
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Sure, they could have bought an EPL team, but decided to build an indoor speedskating track instead
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Lack of leadership. Never would’ve happened if captain Michkov was part of the flight.
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Why? It's not like he ran away or something. To make the move to the CHL he needed to make the required arrangements starting some time ago, so it couldn't be that in the NT noone knew that he will stay in Canada.
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