Pashin can play LW as well, and he played it at 4 Nations with Yurov being RW. I'd say Yurov should play instead of Tyutnev. I mean Pashin - Ponomarev - Yurov. Tyutnev is a grinder, who shoudn't be any close to top6. Yurov scored more points in 6 MHL games, than Tyutnev in 13.
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Pashin can play LW as well, and he played it at 4 Nations with Yurov being RW. I'd say Yurov should play instead of Tyutnev. I mean Pashin - Ponomarev - Yurov. Tyutnev is a grinder, who shoudn't be any close to top6. Yurov scored more points in 6 MHL games, than Tyutnev in 13.
ouff that was a little rought but i still have hope
my biggest take away on played
Loved : Michkov
Liked: Khusnutdinov,Pashin,Ponomaryov,Zlodeyev,Guskov
Were Ok : Demidov,Guslistov,Tyutnev,Chibrikov
Need more : Svechkov,Yurov (limited ice i know), Zinchenko, Askarov (i think this is a special case, i didnt find any goals really weak but wasnt the rock Russia needs )
Bad: The Whole D, i tried i couldnt find a bright spot. will rewatch today see if i missed someone but not hopeful, Didkovsky i dont see what he brings.
my biggest take away on played
Loved : Michkov
Liked: Khusnutdinov,Pashin,Ponomaryov,Zlodeyev,Guskov
Were Ok : Demidov,Guslistov,Tyutnev,Chibrikov
Need more : Svechkov,Yurov (limited ice i know), Zinchenko, Askarov (i think this is a special case, i didnt find any goals really weak but wasnt the rock Russia needs )
Bad: The Whole D, i tried i couldnt find a bright spot. will rewatch today see if i missed someone but not hopeful, Didkovsky i dont see what he brings.
Holy overreaction! It was a meaningless game. And for some reason it happens every time that poeple react to pre-tournament games like it was the real thing. Yes, I mixed up Miro's case with Guschin's case(because of the whining NA fans who hype up Guschin). Nonetheless I do not see how Miro would make this lineup better right now. I repeat, here and now at 17. I can see him become a factor next year, but right now those 18-19 year olds are not worse at least.
Pashin was great throughout the game at what he was supposed to be doing. Also Demidov had three points, but was the 3rd unneccessary wheel of a racing bike of a first line. A pylon would get points playing with Michkov. Meaning that I hope those lines and deployment were more of tactics than what we are going to see in the tournament.
Askarov was giving up rebounds on the simplest shots. And in the 2nd and 3rd the D and PK were looking like they are at least okay. So let's not overreact over an effed up 1st period in a pre-tournament game. And Cossa made some key saves otherwise it would be an even game even despite the abysmal 1st period. Saying that no one but Michkov was great is criminal. Khusnutdinov looked amazing and had great chemistry with Michkov right away. That idea looked like a strike of genius by the coaches. Now give them a 3rd guy who is not Demidov(there are plenty of options) and they will be outright deadly. Other than that the lines looked like a dice roll that did not work out at all. It was either trying to spread the talent or not showing the real lines just yet. Both ideas I would find stupid. Come 27th they will have to play the best lines against Sweden anyway and what they did with the lines in that game was just absurd.
Overall impressions(not mentioned earlier):
Svechkov comes as advertised. A defensive minded center(even if he did not play center and that was dumb too) with lack of top notch offence. A very usefull asset that should be used wisely. Chibrikov and him looked like our best fore- and backcheckers. Putting them on the same line was questionable outcome wise. I'd put Chibrikov on the line with Michkov and Khusnutdinov and would not care about their size, they all play above their size. But I would shift Chibrikov between lines if need be. He is a five tooler usefull in every aspect of the game. I really liked his defensive responsibility in the game.
A more conservative approch with lines might be the recipe. Have the best guns upfront.
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I can only hope that those lines were pre-tournament lines. Except for the Khus - Michkov tandem they were all absolutely stupid and thus useless.
I agree with the RHF's position on players who ship to North America (if it is in fact their position?). National teams should be limited to players who play in Russia or surrounding countries (such as Kazakhstan, etc). All of those "expats" who ship to NA were trained and developed at the expense of Russia, and now they are going to turn over the fruits of Russian investment to Canadian and American billionaires to reap the benefits. The Federation has the right to promote Russian hockey and to protect their investments.
That said, the RHF has a concurrent responsibility to give the kids who will wear the Russian uniform the best possible training, development, and coaching to ensure that they represent their country well. Not the kind of crap we saw against Canada. The most telltale, obvious sign of inferior coaching is weak defense. It is generally expected that defenders will be less talented than forwards, but their job may be even more important - keep the puck out of the goal! It takes organization, strategy, tactics. emotion, fearlessness - all elements that must be cultivated and developed by coaches. The team looked even worse than it did last year at the same stage under Larionov.
None of those is a shoe-in.
Both Chayka and Kuznetsov are known to be a bit weak on the defensive side. With Mukhamadullin and Kirsanov there I don't think they would bring qualities desperately needed by the team.
Petrov is a 2003 born who is having a good season in a junior league. That does not put him ahead of players selected. Guschin is 19 and is not as impressive as Petrov.
Mityukov is an unknown to russian coaches entirely. A 18 year old having his breakout season in a junior league again.
Except for Sobolev all of them fall into the maybe category as they are maybe around same level as bottom half players selected. Sobolev has no business there at all. So picking players the coaches know over those NA players is understandable.
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What happened to Tankov? Seemed like he’d be in the middle of the lineup
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Chayka and Kuznetsov could be useful. Maybe Mintyukov if the staff was familiar with him.
The others are replacable.
Notwithstanding, these guys aren't exactly difference makers. It's not like they're man-for-man more talented than Kirsanov and Koromyslov (who were lit up against Canada). They'd round-out the defense nicely though.
I'd do something like this:
Mukhamadullin-Smirnov
Kirsanov-Koromyslov
Chayka-Kuznetsov
Mintyukov
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They'd probably be on the roster if we had a Canada-Russia series. COVID has turned things upside down.
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Petrov should have been a lock.
Outstanding shot, good size, right shot, physical and strong 2 way play. Petrov is arguably the best player in the OHL this season.
No Canada v Russia Super Series this year hurt the guys playing in NA.
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Russia has one hell or a roster, the defence need to shake out the rust and Askarov needs to be a bit better. they will go far this year
I'd put it like this: the guys who would have impressed in the Canada-Russia-Series would be on the team, no matter what the conspiracy theorists think about "punishing" NA players.
Askarov's rep hurts the decision making at this point. I'd go with Guskov right now, but Askarov is the "established" starter.
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Guskov should start. Askarov was slip sliding around continually. Surely the coaches on the Russian team have access to video clips and matches of players like Chayka and Petrov. They could have been added to the camp as they are already in Canada. Seems a mistake to me. Hopefully the appalling effort Michkov aside from the other night will kick them into action and the coaches have a put a rocket ip their backsides. They should be in contention for gold.
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Let's not overate Petrov. He's been elite for what, 25 games now? He's been good but not great for the 2003s in the past. He was actually below average 8 months ago at U18.
If he had a history of elite performances he should be a lock. But his current OHL sample size just doesnt justify it.
He's the exact type of player the Russia-Canada series was valuable for evaluating.
Let's hope he keeps the pace up. Next year's team with an elite Petrov is gonna be crazy good.
If he had a history of elite performances he should be a lock. But his current OHL sample size just doesnt justify it.
He's the exact type of player the Russia-Canada series was valuable for evaluating.
Let's hope he keeps the pace up. Next year's team with an elite Petrov is gonna be crazy good.
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Many mediocre Russians look like world beaters in the CHL. Doesn't really mean much.
Well, I dont think Askarov played that bad. The fist 4 goals were not his fault. The defense let him alone, they were terrible.
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I was saying... That Miroshnichenko is a good player and better than some of your current forwards. Problems with my opinion? I´ve never compared him to Pashin? Have i criticized Pashin?
What a defensive and bogus answer from the beginning... I still think you have one of the best rosters in this tournament together with Sweden and Canada and yes, I do believe it would be stronger with both Miroshnichenko and some talents who are playing in North America.
At the same time, I´ve always liked Khusnutdinov, even when a lot of you Russian fans criticized him last year etc. That´s the thing, as a sports fan you are entitled to think that some are more talented than others. Especially when you don't bash other individuals while you are at it.
With that said, the only name in your roster that could have been overhyped through the years are and still seems to be? Askarov. I laugh at young fanboys who believe he will take Saros spot immediately. Saros was even better than Askarov at the same age, actually? Even a lot better.
Still, Vasilievsky is the best ever in my opinion and Askarov isn't remotely close. There are a lot of goalies I've considered better than Askarov at the WJC`s. For example? Luukkonen, Saros, Vasilievsky, Gibson, probably Spencer Knight as well, Lehner, Markström, Dostal, Samsonov, Shestyorkin . Is Askarov even a lot better than Miftakhov at the same stage? I mean compare him to Makarov as well, who actually played well for Russia in two tournaments.
My point with all this? Just because you, or someone else have other opinions it doesn't have to be true or consensus. Just like my opinions are... Opinions.
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Svedu
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Well if he wasn't close you should win this tournament easily because he's a talented player.
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He is a talented player for a 17 y.o... Not all #1 picks make the WJC teams in their draft years, Miro is going in the middle of first round... He isn't that much of a super talent as he's made out to be.
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I think there are indications that what we have is not a case of selection or non-selection. I think it is a case of a change in policy from the Russian Hockey Federation as to whom shall be allowed to represent Russia in international tournaments. It has been headed in that direction for years. I think they are making a statement that for tournaments involving U20 and younger, except with the rarest exceptions, roster spots will be filled only by players who play in Russian-based leagues, and possibly including neighboring countries such as Kazakhstan or Belarus. The intent, it seems, is to exclude players who migrate to North America to position themselves for the NHL. If that is true, then the debate over whether Miroshnichenko should be on the roster (if quality of hockey player is the only consideration, I absolutely believe that Miroshnichenko should be on the roster) is irrelevant! He is not eligible under such a policy.
The motivation for such an exclusionary policy is very obvious. Having players in the CHL and other NA leagues is of no use or benefit to Russian hockey whatsoever in international tournaments. The last time Russia won a Gold Medal at the WJC was eleven years ago, in 2011. There were no CHL or other NA participants on that roster. The mass exodus of all talented Russian hockey players to the NHL defeats the purpose for providing valuable funding to youth hockey development. It is a matter of all loss and no gain to Russians, unless you want to compile how many assists Panarin compiles year after year.
The motivation for such an exclusionary policy is very obvious. Having players in the CHL and other NA leagues is of no use or benefit to Russian hockey whatsoever in international tournaments. The last time Russia won a Gold Medal at the WJC was eleven years ago, in 2011. There were no CHL or other NA participants on that roster. The mass exodus of all talented Russian hockey players to the NHL defeats the purpose for providing valuable funding to youth hockey development. It is a matter of all loss and no gain to Russians, unless you want to compile how many assists Panarin compiles year after year.
