Speculation: 2022 Summer/off season Sharks Roster Discussion

[Gecklund]

Longest playoff drought in franchise history

Don't qualify your leading rookie goal scorer, trade assets for a gritty 4rd liner, we're trying to compete!

Sharks hockey

It’s not like we had some stellar rookies up here. When your competition all played 20-30 less games than you in much worse roles, I hope you win. Also that gritty fourth liner scored more goals and put up the same number of points as your leading rookie goal scorer and played with MUCH worse players so don’t know what you’re going on about. Probably come in at similar numbers too.

 

[weastern bias]

It’s not like we had some stellar rookies up here. When your competition all played 20-30 less games than you in much worse roles, I hope you win. Also that gritty fourth liner scored more goals and put up the same number of points as your leading rookie goal scorer and played with MUCH worse players so don’t know what you’re going on about. Probably come in at similar numbers too.

I agree, the team is terrible, that's why trading young and future assets for a player with 3rd line upside is nonsensical

They're making "win now" moves to supplement a "win never" roster

 

[Gecklund]

I agree, the team is terrible, that's why trading young and future assets for a player with 3rd line upside is nonsensical

They're making "win now" moves to supplement a "win never" roster

I mean Kunin definitely has higher than 3rd line upside given his seasons prior to last. He had a bad season last season, the seasons prior he had 19 points in 38 games and 31 in 63. That’s approximately a .5 PPG all while offering his grit and being good defensively (prior to last season) or around a 2nd line level. Dahlen on the other hand when he lost Timo he put up 2 points in 20 games and offered literally nothing else.

 

[TheWayToRefJose]

I really don’t understand not qualifying Dahlen. Not a massive deal, but just doesn’t make any sense.

 

[weastern bias]

I mean Kunin definitely has higher than 3rd line upside given his seasons prior to last. He had a bad season last season, the seasons prior he had 19 points in 38 games and 31 in 63. That’s approximately a .5 PPG all while offering his grit and being good defensively (prior to last season) or around a 2nd line level. Dahlen on the other hand when he lost Timo he put up 2 points in 20 games and offered literally nothing else.

A 41 point pace isn't 2nd line production in this new era of inflated scoring, and even then he's never actually achieved those totals

Kunin has career highs of 15 goals and 31 points, decent production for a 3rd liner, but it isn't moving the needle on turning this squad into a playoff team so spending a pick from the upcoming draft to add him is just a nonsense treadmill move

 

[Groo]

You might want to look at Greig’s size then….

A little light in the pants but 6 ft makes him average. He can always fill out as ne matures
I guess I don't just pine away for John Scott clones as much as you claimed I did.
Might have noticed that all my guys in the draft none were taller than 6'1 while another was 5'11

 

[Gecklund]

A 41 point pace isn't 2nd line production in this new era of inflated scoring, and even then he's never actually achieved those totals

Kunin has career highs of 15 goals and 31 points, decent production for a 3rd liner, but it isn't moving the needle on turning this squad into a playoff team so spending a pick from the upcoming draft to add him is just a nonsense treadmill move

Don’t know how you are faulting him for covid years. But I love how people were claiming the .5 PPG from Barabanov is good second line production but when it doesn’t match the argument, its suddenly decent 3rd liner.

I just don’t understand how you can be pissed at both not qualifying Dahlen and trading for Kunin.

 

[Groo]

A 41 point pace isn't 2nd line production in this new era of inflated scoring, and even then he's never actually achieved those totals

Kunin has career highs of 15 goals and 31 points, decent production for a 3rd liner, but it isn't moving the needle on turning this squad into a playoff team so spending a pick from the upcoming draft to add him is just a nonsense treadmill move

I doubt very much the Sharks are going to bring in one guy who can turn this squad into a play off team but that doesn't mean you can't improve it one building block at a time. Like it or not they're not out and out tanking

 

[weastern bias]

Don’t know how you are faulting him for covid years. But I love how people were claiming the .5 PPG from Barabanov is good second line production but when it doesn’t match the argument, its suddenly decent 3rd liner.

I don't know who these "people" are, but you won't find me calling Barabanov a productive 2nd liner, I think he's a good glue guy to play with real top-6ers but his production has nothing to do with that

The difference to me is we didn't trade a draft pick for Barabanov

They're both players that might be useful to competitive clubs that won't move the needle here so we shouldn't be spending draft assets on them

THAT is my issue, nothing about the quality of player, everything about giving up futures given the state of the franchise

I doubt very much the Sharks are going to bring in one guy who can turn this squad into a play off team but that doesn't mean you can't improve it one building block at a time. Like it or not they're not out and out tanking

You're right, I don't like it, because the ONE way they COULD bring in someone who could turn the team around is by tanking but the FO won't recognize their own situation and are delaying the inevitable

 

[Alaskanice]

I don't know who these "people" are, but you won't find me calling Barabanov a productive 2nd liner, I think he's a good glue guy to play with real top-6ers but his production has nothing to do with that

The difference to me is we didn't trade a draft pick for Barabanov

They're both players that might be useful to competitive clubs that won't move the needle here so we shouldn't be spending draft assets on them

THAT is my issue, nothing about the quality of player, everything about giving up futures given the state of the franchise

This off-season isn’t done yet.

 

[WTFetus]

Great call. Dahlen and Sawchenko are worthless. GMMG killing it so far.

But I thought getting Kunin was a great tank move since he's one of the worst players in the league? So shouldn't you be disappointed that they didn't qualify a worthless player like Dahlen too?

 

[weastern bias]

I just don’t understand how you can be pissed at both not qualifying Dahlen and trading for Kunin.

These are both moves for a "win now" mentality

Cut loose the underperforming rookie and trade for the gritty glue guy

This team should be maximizing their draft assets and going young and skilled, instead they're wasting capital on players with limited upside

 

[Nolan11]

They will clear space when they move Burns, I dont think any higher end player would want to sign here anyway right now so I am not sure it matters.

 

[weastern bias]

This off-season isn’t done yet.

Given the nature of the moves we've made so far that sounds more threatening than exciting

 

[Church Hill]

Dahlen, the guy who tied for last place in plus minus on the team, who was out-performed by the likes of Sasha Chm*? Yeah, I can't make myself care. I cared more about losing Nick Merkley.

 

[Cas]

Basically how I see it. Dahlen had a pretty good first season but showed himself to be injury prone and a lot of the time was either invisible or just didn’t add “something else” to the lineup.

So you trade his rights for a 7th at least. Someone will bite at that price.

It's not like Dahlen was going to get $2M/2 somehow, and even at that price someone would bite (or you can retain).

 

[jarr92]

But I thought getting Kunin was a great tank move since he's one of the worst players in the league? So shouldn't you be disappointed that they didn't qualify a worthless player like Dahlen too?

Grier also likely greenlit Boughner's firing, but let's not talk about that

As much as I liked DW, his last 2-3 years were extremely bad. Not entirely on him as he relies on his pro scouts, but the results of his trades/signings have been mostly big L's.

Also, how are the pro scouts/FO staff who recommended Dahlen, Hill, Pederson still around? Hopefully Grier makes some significant FO changes soon.

 

[Jargon]

I think it sort of speaks to how terrible our team is that we’re freaking out about Dahlen. He was alright when he was stuck to Meier and Couture but it’s like freaking out about not signing Patrick Rissmiller (for all of you old people out there). I also personally don’t like how quickly the kid loses confidence and stops being able to play well. I liked him enough but… I’m not heartbroken over it.

I want to see how FA/the rest of the off-season goes, but maybe, just maybe, they want to find some actual top 6 wingers and full time NHL players.

 

[OrrNumber4]

Looking at how Linus Karlsson has developed quite well, not qualifying Dahlen does hurt. Sharks holding the empty bag...

But of course, that's not how you should evaluate moves. Cost is sunk; if they have no belief in Dahlen, then time to move on.

 

[Gecklund]

So you trade his rights for a 7th at least. Someone will bite at that price.

It's not like Dahlen was going to get $2M/2 somehow, and even at that price someone would bite (or you can retain).

But why would the other teams bite? Obviously something isn’t going right if you’re willing to move RFA rights for a 7th. Might as well wait until you didn’t qualify him.

 

[jarr92]

So you trade his rights for a 7th at least. Someone will bite at that price.

It's not like Dahlen was going to get $2M/2 somehow, and even at that price someone would bite (or you can retain).

Says who? You don't think they would have traded Dahlen instead of letting him walk for free if that were actually an option?

 

[91Fedorov91]

 

[Cas]

Says who? You don't think they would have traded Dahlen instead of letting him walk for free if that were actually an option?

I'm not sure why I should assume that they tried.

It's possible Dahlen himself asked to be let go, which is fair and not really a strike against anyone. It just doesn't seem like there's a reasonable plan in place right now and this organization is trying to see if the first class smoking room is open while the deck continues to slope further and further downward.

 

[PacificOceanPotion]

Whaaaaaat???

 

[Hodge]

Grier making all the right moves. Now just clean house of Will, Burke and Nabokov.