Speculation: 2022 Summer/off season Sharks Roster Discussion

[Pinkfloyd]

Except you literally can’t walk away from any arbitration award of less than $4.5M/year. It’s almost like the organization understands the CBA better than everyone here.

That would include you so maybe take some of the disrespect out of this.

 

[Lebanezer]

That would include you so maybe take some of the disrespect out of this.

He only knows how to play the victim so his default is to be snide and defensive. While it is certainly annoying, it also provides plenty of comic relief.

 

[Cas]

I can see zero reason to not qualify Dahlen. Worst case scenario, you end up waiving him and someone takes him for free if you fail to trade him.

 

[Alaskanice]

Free agency is about here. I’m pulling to sign Vatrano and Marchment. I know about the cap space et al. I have faith they’ll get it done.

 

[landshark]

I can see zero reason to not qualify Dahlen. Worst case scenario, you end up waiving him and someone takes him for free if you fail to trade him.

I know there's the whole "sunk cost" thing and whatnot, but FFS after all the bullshit and waiting for him to conquer the relegation issues for Timra are the Sharks really going to cut bait? I guess GMMG wasn't here for any of that so perhaps that's the case. Not used to having a new GM I guess. Gonna be a weird offseason.

 

[Hodge]

That would include you so maybe take some of the disrespect out of this.

Yes but the difference is I take the time to understand moves like this before assuming they’re just being idiots.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

I know there's the whole "sunk cost" thing and whatnot, but FFS after all the bullshit and waiting for him to conquer the relegation issues for Timra are the Sharks really going to cut bait? I guess GMMG wasn't here for any of that so perhaps that's the case. Not used to having a new GM I guess. Gonna be a weird offseason.

I don’t mind either way in terms of the results. I just don’t see what risk there actually is to Dahlen getting overpaid in arbitration. Sharks don’t exactly need cap space if they’re taking a step back.

 

[Hodge]

I can see zero reason to not qualify Dahlen. Worst case scenario, you end up waiving him and someone takes him for free if you fail to trade him.

No the worst case scenario is he gets an arbitration award of $2 million that he isn’t worth, you can’t walk away from and can’t fit under the cap.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Yes but the difference is I take the time to understand moves like this before assuming they’re just being idiots.

Why do you insist to wrongly assume everyone had such an opinion? This is just flaming at this point.

No the worst case scenario is he gets an arbitration award of $2 million that he isn’t worth, you can’t walk away from and can’t fit under the cap.

It’s laughable that you think they can’t fit that under the cap.

 

[landshark]

I don’t mind either way in terms of the results. I just don’t see what risk there actually is to Dahlen getting overpaid in arbitration. Sharks don’t exactly need cap space if they’re taking a step back.

There was a lot of build up for me waiting for this kid. Not sure why I got attached exactly. I feel like after all the waiting and wondering just one season with the Sharks is a bit of a let down.

 

[Church Hill]

Round one billion of Hodge vs Pinkfloyd

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Round one billion of Hodge vs Pinkfloyd

Round one billion of this response.

 

[Hodge]

Why do you insist to wrongly assume everyone had such an opinion? This is just flaming at this point.


It’s laughable that you think they can’t fit that under the cap.

Because if you are saying things like "why don't they just trade his rights" or "why don't they just qualify him and walk away if the arbitration award is too high" you are basically considering Grier and the front office to be idiots who are incapable of considering such obvious contingencies. I am trying to explain why this move makes complete sense given that Dahlen is a valueless asset not worth a QO due to a combination of his arbitration eligibility, inflated counting stats and significant uncertainty over whether he is even a NHL player.

Currently the Sharks have about $6.5M in cap space to sign Ferraro, Kunin and Gregor who will almost surely come in above that amount. They also have a pending grievance you may have heard of which could easily reduce that available cap amount by $1 million or more. They need to operate as though they are capped out.

 

[themelkman]

What are our realistic expectations for Vèronneau? He really had a very good season in the SHL. Maybe Dahlens replacement if he shows well in training camp and the pre season?

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Hes not really a physical presence at all from what I remember, so I would be shocked if he gets much playing time in the bottom 6.

No the worst case scenario is he gets an arbitration award of $2 million that he isn’t worth, you can’t walk away from and can’t fit under the cap.

Why do you care? You said you liked that they were wasting money on Kunin but doing the same for a better player is terrible?

 

[NiWa]

Sounds like best case is letting Dahlen walk to free agency, and then make him a league min offer. That way we can give him another shot, but without the risk of a high arbitration reward.

That should work, right?

 

[Hodge]

Hes not really a physical presence at all from what I remember, so I would be shocked if he gets much playing time in the bottom 6.


Why do you care? You said you liked that they were wasting money on Kunin but doing the same for a better player is terrible?

Dahlen is not a better player than Kunin. He doesn’t belong in the NHL. Would not be remotely surprised to see him back in Sweden next season.

 

[Barrie22]

There was a lot of build up for me waiting for this kid. Not sure why I got attached exactly. I feel like after all the waiting and wondering just one season with the Sharks is a bit of a let down.

Because you like the majority of the board seen him tear up a league that is even lower then the echl in talent and got excited for him to do the same in the nhl.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Because if you are saying things like "why don't they just trade his rights" or "why don't they just qualify him and walk away if the arbitration award is too high" you are basically considering Grier and the front office to be idiots who are incapable of considering such obvious contingencies. I am trying to explain why this move makes complete sense given that Dahlen is a valueless asset not worth a QO due to a combination of his arbitration eligibility, inflated counting stats and significant uncertainty over whether he is even a NHL player.

Currently the Sharks have about $6.5M in cap space to sign Ferraro, Kunin and Gregor who will almost surely come in above that amount. They also have a pending grievance you may have heard of which could easily reduce that available cap amount by $1 million or more. They need to operate as though they are capped out.

But one that isn’t everyone so why lump them all together and assume an opinion on all of them. It’s still wrong regardless of the excuse you employ. When it comes to Dahlen, your worst case scenario would mean he’d have a dead cap space of 875k for two years. That’s manageable regardless of the circumstances and your whining to the contrary.

 

[Selachimorpha]

Dahlen at 2M/season or at 1M/season, doesn't matter. Sharks aren't winning with their bloated contracts on the books.

 

[thrillermiller89]

Since this team likely won’t be any different…

Couture-Hertl-Labanc
Eklund-Bordeleau-Meier
Barabanov-Bonino-Balcers
Gregor-Weatherby-Kunin

71-65
38-88
44-6

Reimer
Kahk
Hill (IR)

 

[themelkman]

Since this team likely won’t be any different…

Couture-Hertl-Labanc
Eklund-Bordeleau-Meier
Barabanov-Bonino-Balcers
Gregor-Weatherby-Kunin

71-65
38-88
44-6

Reimer
Kahk
Hill (IR)

Yup, exactly what I expect to see, although feel like Balcers will probably get stapled to the fourth line so Kunin can play up.

 

[Hodge]

But one that isn’t everyone so why lump them all together and assume an opinion on all of them. It’s still wrong regardless of the excuse you employ. When it comes to Dahlen, your worst case scenario would mean he’d have a dead cap space of 875k for two years. That’s manageable regardless of the circumstances and your whining to the contrary.

Because the potential upside does not justify that risk. Dahlen sucks. I can only hope Grier recognizes that Barabanov is just as bad and ships him out next.

 

[Selachimorpha]

Since this team likely won’t be any different…

Couture-Hertl-Labanc
Eklund-Bordeleau-Meier
Barabanov-Bonino-Balcers
Gregor-Weatherby-Kunin

71-65
38-88
44-6

Reimer
Kahk
Hill (IR)

Think we see Hertl - Couture - Bonino down the middle to start the year. Give Bords some time in the A, bring him up for injuries here and there, give him a permanent spot after Bones is traded at the deadline.

 

[Evgeny Oliker]

Dahlen situation is weird. Ok so let’s say SJ doesn’t want him.

Why not qualify him and then trade him?

I could use a number of teams wanting him. For example, Pittsburgh is aging very quickly at forward. Crosby, Malkin, Carter, etc are all old. I would think a team like that would want a young and cheap forward like Dahlen. Dahlen is good around the net so he would be a nice fit with Crosby or Malkin. There is also a rumour that Pitt won’t qualify Kapanen…so Kapanen for Dahlen plus might be a possible deal.

I’m sure other teams would not mind Dahlen. I mean Arizona has no offense to speak of.

 

[Selachimorpha]

Dahlen situation is weird. Ok so let’s say SJ doesn’t want him.

Why not qualify him and then trade him?

I could use a number of teams wanting him. For example, Pittsburgh is aging very quickly at forward. Crosby, Malkin, Carter, etc are all old. I would think a team like that would want a young and cheap forward like Dahlen. Dahlen is good around the net so he would be a nice fit with Crosby or Malkin. There is also a rumour that Pitt won’t qualify Kapanen…so Kapanen for Dahlen plus might be a possible deal.

I’m sure other teams would not mind Dahlen. I mean Arizona has no offense to speak of.

I think the answer falls into two categories:

1. Dahlen might be awarded something higher than what the Sharks think he's worth, and then he becomes a negative asset due to his contract status. For example, if awarded 2.2 x 1 year, and he doesn't perform very well to start the year, there might not be much of a market for him.

2. Sharks are loaded with bottom-six wingers. Like, we have 4 lines worth of potential bottom six guys. Tougher calls need to be made, especially for one dimensional players.