Speculation: 2022 Summer/off season Sharks Roster Discussion

[themelkman]

I posted this in a trade proposal thread but where would Eklund have been picked if he came out this year? Is there a chance he’s 1oa?

Hes not better than Wright and wouldnt get the hype of Slavkovsky, but I could see the 3-6 range depending on D men.

 

[Shark Finn]

I wonder what's the status on Hill? I feel like they should be trading one goalie, preferably Reimer.

 

[Anomie2029]

I wonder what's the status on Hill? I feel like they should be trading one goalie, preferably Reimer.

They will be trading Hill or Reimer.

The issue is that the goalie market is at bit of a standstill at the moment with Campbell, Flower, Kuemper, Halak, and Holtby all off contract.

 

[timorous me]

I wonder what's the status on Hill? I feel like they should be trading one goalie, preferably Reimer.

Hill's status?

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[gaucholoco3]

My ideal Sharks Off Season.

The idea for this roster is to build a team that can potentially contend without having to sacrifice any of the Sharks prospects or the 11th overall pick.

Transition to a team built around EK as the Defensive centerpiece. That requires two moves.

Burns to DAL for 2nd
The first is to trade Burns who played way more than he should have. Dallas is a good destination with his Ranch, and the connection with PDB and Pavs. A second is just a starting point and ideal but the Sharks would be mostly concerned with the cap space and would rather take a lesser return to avoid retaining salary.

3rd to PIT for Pettersson
The second move to transition the team to EK's team is to get him a quality D partner. Pettersson from Pit would be the perfect fit and almost every team created by PIT has him traded for a 3rd round pick.

Simek, 4th and '23 5th to ARZ for future considerations
The next move to create space is to attach assets less than a 2nd round pick to move Simek from the roster.

Dahlen, Reimer, 3rd to EDM for Barrie and Puljujarvi
The last trade would involve helping EDM create cap room to sign Kane. Both Barrie and Puljujarvi would be good targets as Barrie can slot in behind EK on the right side with only 3 years left on his deal and Puljujarvi could fill in as a middle six wing. Dahlen is a cheap winger with some offensive upside and EDM needs a cheap goalie and Reimer is a great option for them. Barrie and Pettersson combine for the same salary as Burns and Simek and would provide better value.

After those trades looking to FA Nichushkin, Mikheyev, and Marchment would be targets I would look at to add some needed winger depth. On the back end I like a Braun reunion to solidify the bottom paring.

Finally Vlassic is bought out only if the sharks can get one of the wingers targeted in FA.

Puljujarvi 3M for 3Yr
Nichushkin 6M for 7Yr
Ferraro 2.5M for 3Yr
Braun 1.5M for 1Yr
Kähkönen 2M for 3Yr

This roster allows both Eklund and Bordeleau to start in the AHL and they would truly have to earn a spot on the team in training camp.

Meier - Hertl - Barabonov
Nichushkin - Couture - Labanc
Balcers - Bonino - Puljujarvi
Nieto - 4C - Gregor

4C would be an open competition amongst Reedy, Weatherby, Chemelevski, Pederson, and Bordeleau.

If Eklund and Bordeleau show they are too good for the AHL they can run

Meier - Hertl - Barabonov
Eklund - Coture - Nichushkin
Puljujarvi - Bordeleau - Labanc
Balcers - Bonino - Gregor

For the D they would have

Pettersson - EK
Ferraro - Barrie
Megna - Braun

This lineup fits under the cap and doesn't sacrifice the future for the Sharks.

The biggest hole I see with this lineup is depth down the middle but they wouldn't lack for top 6 wingers.

 

[mogambomoroo]

My ideal Sharks Off Season.

The idea for this roster is to build a team that can potentially contend without having to sacrifice any of the Sharks prospects or the 11th overall pick.

Transition to a team built around EK as the Defensive centerpiece. That requires two moves.

Burns to DAL for 2nd
The first is to trade Burns who played way more than he should have. Dallas is a good destination with his Ranch, and the connection with PDB and Pavs. A second is just a starting point and ideal but the Sharks would be mostly concerned with the cap space and would rather take a lesser return to avoid retaining salary.

3rd to PIT for Pettersson
The second move to transition the team to EK's team is to get him a quality D partner. Pettersson from Pit would be the perfect fit and almost every team created by PIT has him traded for a 3rd round pick.

Simek, 4th and '23 5th to ARZ for future considerations
The next move to create space is to attach assets less than a 2nd round pick to move Simek from the roster.

Dahlen, Reimer, 3rd to EDM for Barrie and Puljujarvi
The last trade would involve helping EDM create cap room to sign Kane. Both Barrie and Puljujarvi would be good targets as Barrie can slot in behind EK on the right side with only 3 years left on his deal and Puljujarvi could fill in as a middle six wing. Dahlen is a cheap winger with some offensive upside and EDM needs a cheap goalie and Reimer is a great option for them. Barrie and Pettersson combine for the same salary as Burns and Simek and would provide better value.

After those trades looking to FA Nichushkin, Mikheyev, and Marchment would be targets I would look at to add some needed winger depth. On the back end I like a Braun reunion to solidify the bottom paring.

Finally Vlassic is bought out only if the sharks can get one of the wingers targeted in FA.

Puljujarvi 3M for 3Yr
Nichushkin 6M for 7Yr
Ferraro 2.5M for 3Yr
Braun 1.5M for 1Yr
Kähkönen 2M for 3Yr

This roster allows both Eklund and Bordeleau to start in the AHL and they would truly have to earn a spot on the team in training camp.

Meier - Hertl - Barabonov
Nichushkin - Couture - Labanc
Balcers - Bonino - Puljujarvi
Nieto - 4C - Gregor

4C would be an open competition amongst Reedy, Weatherby, Chemelevski, Pederson, and Bordeleau.

If Eklund and Bordeleau show they are too good for the AHL they can run

Meier - Hertl - Barabonov
Eklund - Coture - Nichushkin
Puljujarvi - Bordeleau - Labanc
Balcers - Bonino - Gregor

For the D they would have

Pettersson - EK
Ferraro - Barrie
Megna - Braun

This lineup fits under the cap and doesn't sacrifice the future for the Sharks.

The biggest hole I see with this lineup is depth down the middle but they wouldn't lack for top 6 wingers.

This seems pretty good, but I would change Nichushkin to a Trocheck. That would give Couture a freedom to be 1st-2nd line winger or maybe even a 3rd line center, that would give us a real depth down the middle. Even when you play Couture as a winger, he is a good complimentary face-off guy. But nothing is guaranteed. I think Eklund and Bordeleau are good enough to be given a spot on the roster. It's important they play in highest level and learn. AHL is good option if they really face big time problems.

 

[37 others]

Would love to see Vatrano sign here in the offseason. No idea what he'd sign for, but I think he'd be cheaper than Marchment et. al. I wonder about Neiderreiter too but he may be too expensive.

 

[Juxtaposer]

How on earth does Kris Letang only get $6.1M for six years when Burns and Vlasic got the contracts they got?

 

[themelkman]

Would love to see Vatrano sign here in the offseason. No idea what he'd sign for, but I think he'd be cheaper than Marchment et. al. I wonder about Neiderreiter too but he may be too expensive.

I’m pretty in on him. Honestly of that group, just target whoever’s the cheapest and maybe if you can find a one year deal that’s perfect.

Meiers new deal is looming, so we need to retain enough room next year to make that happen

How on earth does Kris Letang only get $6.1M for six years when Burns and Vlasic got the contracts they got?

He is 35, little older than they were

 

[Juxtaposer]

He is 35, little older than they were

Yunno, that’s fair. For some reason I thought Burns was older when he signed his latest contract and I thought Letang was more like 33. Crazy how time flies.

 

[Lebanezer]

He is 35, little older than they were

Has to be the longest over 35 contract ever signed in NHL history.

 

[themelkman]

So the market for hill is set with Georgiev. 2 3rds and a fifth is essentially second round pick value.

Has to be the longest over 35 contract ever signed in NHL history.

If he retires they are screwed

 

[pappaf2]

So the market for hill is set with Georgiev. 2 3rds and a fifth is essentially second round pick value.


If he retires they are screwed

I’m sure the league will let their beloved pens work out some sort of ltir shenanigans

 

[TheBeard]

So the market for hill is set with Georgiev. 2 3rds and a fifth is essentially second round pick value.


If he retires they are screwed

I thought over 35 deals the cap hit is wiped out if they retire?

 

[Barrie22]

I thought over 35 deals the cap hit is wiped out if they retire?

Nope 35 and over it stays with the team if they retire early. Before 35 it wipes out.

 

[pappaf2]

will Grier have better luck signing big name ufa players than DW?

 

[TheWayToRefJose]

Grier. Do something. This is the most exciting day as a Sharks fan now. This is now our playoffs.

 

[STL Shark]

So the market for hill is set with Georgiev. 2 3rds and a fifth is essentially second round pick value.

Means you can easily get a 2nd+ for Reimer. Georgiev has played a lot more games than Hill (75% more in his career) at the same save percentage so the track record and lack of injury probably makes his value higher. I think Hill is a good goalie and want to keep him simply because a tandem of him and Kahkonen would be very good and safe for the next few years (if one is injured the other plays a full starter's load). Reimer's value is as high as it will ever be and we're not winning a Cup or playoff series with him so may as well move him now.

I know the reports were that the org did not want to move Reimer, but that was before a GM was hired so hopefully those that were letting that information out are not in charge of making decisions now.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Means you can easily get a 2nd+ for Reimer. Georgiev has played a lot more games than Hill (75% more in his career) at the same save percentage so the track record and lack of injury probably makes his value higher. I think Hill is a good goalie and want to keep him simply because a tandem of him and Kahkonen would be very good and safe for the next few years (if one is injured the other plays a full starter's load). Reimer's value is as high as it will ever be and we're not winning a Cup or playoff series with him so may as well move him now.

I know the reports were that the org did not want to move Reimer, but that was before a GM was hired so hopefully those that were letting that information out are not in charge of making decisions now.

I'm okay with dealing any of the goalies. I may have a preference to keep Reimer but if he's dealt, it's not a problem. I think Kahkonen is the guy you should do what you can to help him earn the starting role moving forward. I think the best way is to have a veteran 2nd goalie that's used to the scenario like Reimer is rather than someone like Hill who will be scratching and clawing for his own starting spot as well. I don't want us to have a situation like what New York has had to deal with where originally Georgiev was going to be the next guy but then got passed up by Shesterkin then Georgiev was not happy to be there which created its own set of issues.

The locker room needs to be reset where everyone is on the team's page. We simply don't have that right now even after we got rid of Kane to help that. Simek is in sort of the same boat that Georgiev was in and where Hill would be if he's kept. Some guys can handle it and not cause problems. I tend to not trust goalies to be those guys just because how most tend to be wired. It's seemingly harder to temper the competitive juices as a goalie than it is as a skater just because there's more opportunities as a skater than as a goalie.

 

[PacificOceanPotion]

I have a feeling Burns gets moved today.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

I have a feeling Burns gets moved today.

I would love to see that. Burns deserves real opportunities to win a Stanley Cup. It just won't happen here with his remaining career time.

 

[STL Shark]

I'm okay with dealing any of the goalies. I may have a preference to keep Reimer but if he's dealt, it's not a problem. I think Kahkonen is the guy you should do what you can to help him earn the starting role moving forward. I think the best way is to have a veteran 2nd goalie that's used to the scenario like Reimer is rather than someone like Hill who will be scratching and clawing for his own starting spot as well. I don't want us to have a situation like what New York has had to deal with where originally Georgiev was going to be the next guy but then got passed up by Shesterkin then Georgiev was not happy to be there which created its own set of issues.

The locker room needs to be reset where everyone is on the team's page. We simply don't have that right now even after we got rid of Kane to help that. Simek is in sort of the same boat that Georgiev was in and where Hill would be if he's kept. Some guys can handle it and not cause problems. I tend to not trust goalies to be those guys just because how most tend to be wired. It's seemingly harder to temper the competitive juices as a goalie than it is as a skater just because there's more opportunities as a skater than as a goalie.

Shesterkin was always going to be the guy for NYR. His pedigree was much better than Georgiev, who generally always profiled as a tandem guy rather than a potential Vezina winner. Shesterkin has been known to be elite dating back to his KHL days. Situations are not really similar at all.

Between Kahkonen and Hill, I'd rather gamble on both younger guys to see who potentially rises to the occasion. I don't think that either are markedly better than the other and would like to see a true competition rather than anoint Kahkonen or Hill the guy (both are career .908 save percentage guys with less than 75 NHL games played).

 

[Pavelski2112]

I have a feeling Burns gets moved today.

I still think DAL is the most likely place. Replaces Klingberg and there's the Pavs/PDB connection.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Shesterkin was always going to be the guy for NYR. His pedigree was much better than Georgiev, who generally always profiled as a tandem guy rather than a potential Vezina winner. Shesterkin has been known to be elite dating back to his KHL days. Situations are not really similar at all.

Between Kahkonen and Hill, I'd rather gamble on both younger guys to see who potentially rises to the occasion. I don't think that either are markedly better than the other and would like to see a true competition rather than anoint Kahkonen or Hill the guy (both are career .908 save percentage guys with less than 75 NHL games played).

You completely missed the point. The Sharks don't think that Hill and Kahkonen are roughly equal to each other.

 

[STL Shark]

You completely missed the point. The Sharks don't think that Hill and Kahkonen are roughly equal to each other.

There is no way to know what the Sharks think given the guy that makes those decisions now just got hired on Tuesday. If the new guy has a brain, he will clearly see that they're very much equals given every shred of evidence out there.