Speculation: 2022 off-season discussion

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CBJWerenski8

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since chychrun, dach, and mcdonagh are no longer possibilities, who do you personally wish to see in a CBJ sweater come october that wore a different one last season?
Personally, I think it’s possible the jackets swing a trade for a guy we don’t even know who’s out there on the market yet. Involving some of our prospects to do so.

I also wouldn’t be surprised to see Bemstrom moved today for a draft pick

I think we’ll trade for a defenseman. It seems like that’s where most of our rumored interest is going to right now. So we’ll see.
 

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Your impatience is well-earned sndI share it. I think the point was that this weekend is the draft, which is pretty much reserved for building for the future. What exactly did you think was going to happen this weekend to make the team better for next year? Two teams made trades for good, young players. Two out of 32. It’s not like everybody but Jarmo was out there adding superstars.

As others have said, there’s a basically full free agent period left. That’s when things happen to make your team better for next year. And if they don’t then yeah I think most fans will be disappointed.
Free agency is always a blast around here, right? I may be all wrong in the end, and frankly I hope so, but right now I think the draft capital should have been utilized differently and maybe it will be today. I know you're response was to Double Shift, but I have the same feelings. I just think that with a lot of fans, this organization has an identity crisis because of how this re-whatever was portrayed. Pretty obvious this is a re-build, then call it a re-build publicly in the media. Not a reset or re-tool, just be honest about it. Don't mistake my frustration as criticism of the players taken, my frustration is over the strategy. Personally, it looks like they got 2 of the 3 best defensemen in this draft. That's great, I hope they become Norris trophy winners. Guess we'll see what today holds.
 

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So far this weekend I'm underwhelmed.

Sure. We got some nice prospects for the future but I'm still waiting for something to make the team better for this season.

Maybe Elvis or Kuraly will get traded tomorrow because they signed some autographs at the draft party tonight.
I won't say I'm not Jonesing for a deal or two myself, and I know this isn't what people likely want to hear, but I can't stress enough that the massive changes last year will naturally show significant improvement this year. The change in coaches and philosophy is bigger than I think many of you might realize. I've played in a man to man based system (Soccer, but same philosophy) and it requires high end communication and thinking along with the ability to adjust on the fly, quickly. This team was clearly still thinking the game, not playing the game knowing their responsibilities.

We've all heard the young players need the game to slow down... that is a real thing and when you have that and a new system, that can be painful. My opinion is that's why you saw the offensive play improve (more creativity, skill, speed) but the defense struggle. Harder to play defense when learning a new system so that will come slower.

I still think we'll see moves but it's like a veteran for the back end and the movement of some of the glut of forwards. I did not expect any big moves, not to mention I think the drafting of both 6 and 12 was a clear signal the prices for players like Chychrun and Dach were more than the CBJ felt they were worth under our current structure.
 

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since chychrun, dach, and mcdonagh are no longer possibilities, who do you personally wish to see in a CBJ sweater come october that wore a different one last season?
Necas, Chytil, Luostarinen... All young centers with some NHL experience and team control. All present different packages for upside and all still have some question marks but they, to me, would fit and offer another option at center. I could also argue they just add more of the same. Just players I like and think they could be had.

Realistically, I don't know that the CBJ goes after anyone of significance. I could see Tyler Myers (2 years, RHD) to add to the back end and Vancouver needs to dump salary. He's still serviceable and could help stabilize a bit. Otherwise, I don't really see much changing.
 

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One thing this draft left me with is that I believe they are/will be 1 high end forward short from building a true contender.

Defense looks prime Nashville/Colorado set


Interesting to see what Jarmo will do
 

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I get your impatience but to me this is the first time the Jackets are building the right way. I see no reason for them to bring in a McDonagh or a Burns kind of guy (aged, expensive vet) but if they traded for DeBrincat I would have been happy. He is young, proven and would have be an immediate help. Assuming he agreed to an extension first.
I suspect the CBJ didn't push hard for DeBrincat because he has a $9MM qualifying offer coming due. Unless he's willing to take a discount, he's likely to get that and more. Might be worth it but if the chips are in for Laine (I suspect they would prefer they player they know likes the team and fits the need) I'm not sure you want another wing at that high a price tag (this coming from the guy that just posted we should trade for Forsberg's rights :D ).

Just a feeling as to why we didn't pursue that angle.
 

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Personally, I think it’s possible the jackets swing a trade for a guy we don’t even know who’s out there on the market yet. Involving some of our prospects to do so.

Chicago is obviously going to trade Kane with retention. Who wants to go for it next season and needs to open up $5 million or more of cap space and needs assets for a trade? That is who is going to trade with us. We’ll get a young center and cap dump for Bemstrom, 2023 second round pick, other pieces depending on size/length of cap dump and quality of young center.
 

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I hope Chychrun doesn't play for us. We have a group of talented d-men that we should give a chance to them. I think we can trade the winger for centers.
We honestly have too many talented d-men in the system given that there are only six lineup spots available. Gotta figure they trade at least two (if not three) of Gavrikov, Peeke, Boqvist, Ceulemans, Svozil and Richard.

I think the long-term top four is:
Werenski - Jiricek
Mateychuk - one of Gavrikov/Ceulemans

That's so stacked that they could, in theory, treat both of those pairings as #1s and have a third pair that only plays ~13 sheltered minutes a night (i.e. Christiansen-Blankenburg) OR a pure shutdown pair that takes hard assignments (i.e. Richard-Peeke) so the top two pairs can light it up.

Trade a few defensemen for futures, trade a few forwards for futures (Nyquist, Robinson maybe Roslovic), package those futures for a big fish (young top six center) and voila! You have a contender.
 

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One thing this draft left me with is that I believe they are/will be 1 high end forward short from building a true contender.

Defense looks prime Nashville/Colorado set


Interesting to see what Jarmo will do

*Maybe* in 2024. The D next year will struggle, barring any immediate personnel changes.



Husso to Detroit.
 

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We honestly have too many talented d-men in the system given that there are only six lineup spots available. Gotta figure they trade at least two (if not three) of Gavrikov, Peeke, Boqvist, Ceulemans, Svozil and Richard.

I think the long-term top four is:
Werenski - Jiricek
Mateychuk - one of Gavrikov/Ceulemans

That's so stacked that they could, in theory, treat both of those pairings as #1s and have a third pair that only plays ~13 sheltered minutes a night (i.e. Christiansen-Blankenburg) OR a pure shutdown pair that takes hard assignments (i.e. Richard-Peeke) so the top two pairs can light it up.

Trade a few defensemen for futures, trade a few forwards for futures (Nyquist, Robinson maybe Roslovic), package those futures for a big fish (young top six center) and voila! You have a contender.
The prospect list actually goes much deeper and JD indicated the plans to extend Gavrikov so he's like a fixture somewhere in the top 6 for another few years. I suspect they'll announce the extension at the start of the new league year next week. However, I completely agree with you that players will eventually be moved but not until CBJ clearly identifies the pecking order and a need to move them.

LHD prospects (no order) that are highly regarded: Svozil, Knazko, Richard, Makarov, Mateychuk

Add them to Bean, Gavrikov and Werenski and I think the future depth is really good. AND YOUNG. You have a similar situation with RHD, only less experienced, not quite as many but maybe more with projectable upside.

RHD prospects (no order) that are highly regarded: Blankenburg, Ceulemans, Jiricek

Add them to Boqvist and Peeke and you see how truly young the RHD side is but the potential is very high. I still think a veteran on the right side would help with development all around for this group but also think they need more depth with homerun potential.
 

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Your impatience is well-earned sndI share it. I think the point was that this weekend is the draft, which is pretty much reserved for building for the future. What exactly did you think was going to happen this weekend to make the team better for next year? Two teams made trades for good, young players. Two out of 32. It’s not like everybody but Jarmo was out there adding superstars.

As others have said, there’s a basically full free agent period left. That’s when things happen to make your team better for next year. And if they don’t then yeah I think most fans will be disappointed.
All valid points. The draft is one of the main periods for trades to occur. We never really have been big players in free agency. We have too many forwards so something will need to give there eventually. We’ve talked endlessly for years about “weaponizing our cap space” only to watch other teams do it.

I’m just waiting for something other than talk to actually happen.
 

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We honestly have too many talented d-men in the system given that there are only six lineup spots available. Gotta figure they trade at least two (if not three) of Gavrikov, Peeke, Boqvist, Ceulemans, Svozil and Richard.

I think the long-term top four is:
Werenski - Jiricek
Mateychuk - one of Gavrikov/Ceulemans

That's so stacked that they could, in theory, treat both of those pairings as #1s and have a third pair that only plays ~13 sheltered minutes a night (i.e. Christiansen-Blankenburg) OR a pure shutdown pair that takes hard assignments (i.e. Richard-Peeke) so the top two pairs can light it up.

Trade a few defensemen for futures, trade a few forwards for futures (Nyquist, Robinson maybe Roslovic), package those futures for a big fish (young top six center) and voila! You have a contender.

You are projecting for 2024 or 2025. Way too far in the future - things will happen. Injuries, prospects won't pan out, someone will request a trade out of town.

Already projecting Ceulemans, Svozil, and Richard as NHL talents is a touch premature.
 

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There is not a single player, or two players, that we could have traded our picks for that make us contenders. It would be a band aid solution that would leave us worse off in the long run.

I get the frustration. But you can't wave a wand and make a couple trades and become a cup favorite, it just doesn't work like that.
 

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With Chicago blowing up, I can't help but wonder if we could package youth and picks for Murphy to help stabilize our D until Ceulemans, Jiricek and etc are ready.
 
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With Chicago blowing up, I can't help but wonder if we could package youth and picks for Murphy to help stabilize our D until Ceulemans, Jiricek and etc are ready.
I had a similar thought but it seems Murphy can’t play a complete season. He hasn’t played 60 games since 17-18 season.
 

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giving up on Yegor that easily? my oh my

Take your pick of our young forwards. Some will have to go.

If we don't ship some out there will be some guys that don't develop properly because of lack of ice time, and Jarmo doesn't send guys to AHL, especially not Euros.
 

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Take your pick of our young forwards. Some will have to go.

If we don't ship some out there will be some guys that don't develop properly because of lack of ice time, and Jarmo doesn't send guys to AHL, especially not Euros.
Well depth guys who project as 3rd or 4th liners like Foudy should be in the AHL getting 1st line offensive minutes to focus on offense while expected middle 6 scorers like Bemstrom, Chinakhov and probably Marchenko be forced into 3rd and 4th line defensive NHL roles to focus on their defense right? Definitely seems like the best development strategy.

Ive always hated how GMs wont send offensive guys to the AHL.Sink or swim is nice and all but once they start drowning it may be time to send a lifeline. Chinakhov needs it and so did Bemstrom in the past
 
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We honestly have too many talented d-men in the system given that there are only six lineup spots available. Gotta figure they trade at least two (if not three) of Gavrikov, Peeke, Boqvist, Ceulemans, Svozil and Richard.

I think the long-term top four is:
Werenski - Jiricek
Mateychuk - one of Gavrikov/Ceulemans

That's so stacked that they could, in theory, treat both of those pairings as #1s and have a third pair that only plays ~13 sheltered minutes a night (i.e. Christiansen-Blankenburg) OR a pure shutdown pair that takes hard assignments (i.e. Richard-Peeke) so the top two pairs can light it up.

Trade a few defensemen for futures, trade a few forwards for futures (Nyquist, Robinson maybe Roslovic), package those futures for a big fish (young top six center) and voila! You have a contender.

I think it is eventually going to be too many, but it is far from a logjam now.

I can totally see the eventual six D shaking out like you suggested. Maybe in five years:

Werenski - Jiricek
Mateychuk - Ceulemans
Richard - Blankenburg

My comment is that it's still too early to know who rises to the top, still far too early to start paring them down. We should wait until the logjam gets closer to happening and then make moves. Look at Colorado - they've had this incredible depth of young D prospects for the last few years. They kept their favorites and then this year they traded off Timmins, Barron, and Helleson to fill gaps elsewhere (the returns for Kuemper, Lehkonen, and Manson).
 
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majormajor

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Well depth guys who project as 3rd or 4th liners like Foudy should be in the AHL getting 1st line offensive minutes to focus on offense while expected middle 6 scorers like Bemstrom, Chinakhov and probably Marchenko be forced into 3rd and 4th line defensive NHL roles to focus on their defense right? Definitely seems like the best development strategy.

Ive always hated how GMs wont send offensive guys to the AHL.Sink or swim is nice and all but once they start drowning it may be time to send a lifeline. Chinakhov needs it and so did Bemstrom in the past

Some GMs don't seem to have a problem sending prized prospects to the AHL. Byfield, Rossi, etc.. a lot of guys go through the AHL. Getzlaf, Spezza, lots of greats did it. I really do wonder if Jarmo is making promises or if he is overly attached to keeping his toys in the NHL. It annoys me.
 

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Some GMs don't seem to have a problem sending prized prospects to the AHL. Byfield, Rossi, etc.. a lot of guys go through the AHL. Getzlaf, Spezza, lots of greats did it. I really do wonder if Jarmo is making promises or if he is overly attached to keeping his toys in the NHL. It annoys me.
Its funny that a few of the players you listed have GMs that are former players. I wonder if thats coincidence or something to it
 
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