Speculation: 2022 off-season discussion

[BB88]

I’d rather have the cap space.


I really don’t want Jarmo to trade 12OA.

They need to stay the course and continue to draft high end talent. The team isn’t better than Carolina,NYR,NJD or Pitt/Wsh

Chychrun isn’t an all in move though.
He’d be a perfect age fit for the new core.
Gavrikov 26
Werenski 25 soon
Chychrun 24
Boqvist 21
(Ceulemans 19)

That’s set for a long time and would match nicely with the forward core that’s building with Sillinger, Johnson, Laine, Bjorkstrand, (6th overall).

Not saying trade for him but age wise he’s a great fit and they’d still have the 6th overall to go for the high end skill.
& anyways they are pushing lot of young players into the roster.

Again not pushing for trade for him but I’d just use other arguments against it

 

[stevo61]

I think Myers is one of the dmen he's looking at, since we know he was in on McDonaugh and Myers has a shorter and slightly cheaper cap hit.

and significantly worse. Had a good season but not good enough id expect it again over what hes done the rest of his time in Vancouver

 

[CBJWerenski8]

 

[NotTooWideArena]

Chychrun isn’t an all in move though.
He’d be a perfect age fit for the new core.
Gavrikov 26
Werenski 25 soon
Chychrun 24
Boqvist 21
(Ceulemans 19)

That’s set for a long time and would match nicely with the forward core that’s building with Sillinger, Johnson, Laine, Bjorkstrand, (6th overall).

Not saying trade for him but age wise he’s a great fit and they’d still have the 6th overall to go for the high end skill.
& anyways they are pushing lot of young players into the roster.

Again not pushing for trade for him but I’d just use other arguments against it

I feel like Jarmo is kind of fighting a war on two fronts. He needs to keep restocking the supply chain of young talent, but he also wants to see progress in the NHL next season, maybe a playoff spot or at least a run at one.

That's why I think the rumors of 12OA + Culemans for Chychrun make sense, particularly if Jarmo likes a defender at six better than Cuelamans: the draft choice becomes an upgrade over Cuelmans and Chychrun becomes a major upgrade to our defense corp.

Then trade a wing or two for second or third round picks, and maybe look at a free agent to solidify the top six. And pray for better goaltending. I could see that team making a playoff run ....

 

[DarkandStormy]

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*As was reported yesterday by Kevin Allen on the podcast, there is a strong belief that Brent Burns will be moved. Kevin did not give any possible destinations... In checking with my sources... Columbus, Philly, Florida, Toronto all possible...If San Jose retains some salary...

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[Iron Balls McGinty]

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You know, a 37 year old Brent Burns would definitely mean Jarmo is in win now mode. He's got 3 years left and would be 40 when its all said and done but still seems to be productive. if SJ has significant salary retention I'd think about it but I'd still consider it highly unlikely.

I don't know the rules of salary retention but if the Sharks retain 1/3 of it, I think I could handle 3 years of Burns at 5.3. Heck, even be creative like we've done before and bring in a 3rd party team to eat a portion as well.

 

[EspenK]

You know, a 37 year old Brent Burns would definitely mean Jarmo is in win now mode. He's got 3 years left and would be 40 when its all said and done but still seems to be productive. if SJ has significant salary retention I'd think about it but I'd still consider it highly unlikely.

If Jarmo is in in now mode he has sh*t for brains. Adding Brent Burns is questioanble at best and may add a few wins to the total. Not enough to seriously contend but maybe enough to take us out of the lottery. The reset seems to be progressing nicely thru the draft. Hopefully Jarmo doesn't wheel and deal the Jackets into another string of mediocrity and quick playoff exits when the team makes the playoffs.

 

[Xoggz22]

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More like e-gad

 

[Xoggz22]

I feel like Jarmo is kind of fighting a war on two fronts. He needs to keep restocking the supply chain of young talent, but he also wants to see progress in the NHL next season, maybe a playoff spot or at least a run at one.

That's why I think the rumors of 12OA + Culemans for Chychrun make sense, particularly if Jarmo likes a defender at six better than Cuelamans: the draft choice becomes an upgrade over Cuelmans and Chychrun becomes a major upgrade to our defense corp.

Then trade a wing or two for second or third round picks, and maybe look at a free agent to solidify the top six. And pray for better goaltending. I could see that team making a playoff run ....

I have no issue with the 12OA being part of a deal, however, we're already thin with RHD and Ceulemans really took a huge step forward in the 2nd half for Wisconsin (a terrible team). He shows legit top 4 or better potential/upside. I don't think he's the guy you move with the 12OA. Not for a LHD that I really like but he's a luxury and while fits the mold, he thins an already thin area in this prospect pool. Just not a fan of that option. Find another way... The glut is up front, not prospects on the back end unless you're moving Knazko, Svozil, Richard, Makarov, etc. (All LHD)

 

[Toe Pick]

 

[Xoggz22]

You know, a 37 year old Brent Burns would definitely mean Jarmo is in win now mode. He's got 3 years left and would be 40 when its all said and done but still seems to be productive. if SJ has significant salary retention I'd think about it but I'd still consider it highly unlikely.

I don't know the rules of salary retention but if the Sharks retain 1/3 of it, I think I could handle 3 years of Burns at 5.3. Heck, even be creative like we've done before and bring in a 3rd party team to eat a portion as well.

Yes, I picture the deal as follows:

To SJS: Rights to Scott Harrington

To CBJ: Brett Burns (35% retained), 2023 1st round pick and 2022 3rd round pick

Sign me up. That's the only way Columbus sniffs at this one. He simply doesn't fit the current team construct. Even 3 years at ~$5M AAV would be a tough one for me to smile at. he's owed $6.5M, 2 x $5M over the last 3 years. That would drop to around $4M, and 2 x $3.5M in real money at 35% retention. Have to be something big coming with him.

 

[majormajor]

You know, a 37 year old Brent Burns would definitely mean Jarmo is in win now mode. He's got 3 years left and would be 40 when its all said and done but still seems to be productive. if SJ has significant salary retention I'd think about it but I'd still consider it highly unlikely.

I don't know the rules of salary retention but if the Sharks retain 1/3 of it, I think I could handle 3 years of Burns at 5.3. Heck, even be creative like we've done before and bring in a 3rd party team to eat a portion as well.

I don't know if it makes sense in the grand scheme of things, but the R to R combination of Burns and Laine would be incredible on the powerplay.

 

[VT]

I don't know if it makes sense in the grand scheme of things, but the R to R combination of Burns and Laine would be incredible on the powerplay.

I'd rather like their combination in PK.

 

[JacketFanInFL]

If Jarmo is in in now mode he has sh*t for brains. Adding Brent Burns is questioanble at best and may add a few wins to the total. Not enough to seriously contend but maybe enough to take us out of the lottery. The reset seems to be progressing nicely thru the draft. Hopefully Jarmo doesn't wheel and deal the Jackets into another string of mediocrity and quick playoff exits when the team makes the playoffs.

Yep - Would like a top-3 pick this year to seal off the re-build, but I doubt that happens.

 

[Johansen2Foligno]

Brent Burns is clearly a stop-gap until David Savard comes back

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Oh boy

 

[majormajor]

The retool is over?

The miserable 2019-20 season, where we knocked out the Leafs? Did he mean to say 2020-21? I can't read the article so I'm not sure if he is telling us something about 2019-20.

IMO, it’s clear to me that the front office chose Laine and whatever comes with him, over Jones/Torts. There was a clear disconnect with the team that people acknowledge, but, don’t inquire about what it actually was. Just the same “Torts outdated ways lost the team” BS. Not to mention what seemed like a ‘change of heart’ from Jones that was never explained.
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This is sort of how I understood it as well. The veterans didn't think Laine was meeting their standards (that he was legit awful is inarguable). Those were the standards that they and Torts built, and some wanted Laine gone. Jarmo's response was to say goodbye to those veterans, including Atkinson. Obviously I don't know exactly how Jones fits in that narrative but I can imagine that he was either upset at the new lax direction or he decided to leave because the team was becoming unrecognizable anyways.

Interestingly, Cam will get his wish in Philly to bring in Torts and burn down the country club that they've built there.

Not sure what people want, but personally I would like some of those guys to be part of the D core, but lower in the lineup

Werenski is a 1b
Gavrikov should be a #4/5
Boqvist should be a #5 PPQB (Sergachev type)
Peeke #6 (PK specialist)

I prefer Blankenburg to Peeke, maybe Bean to Peeke too.

Ideally the lineup would be (with examples of the type of players needed)

Werenski #1b (defensive Brodin)
Gavrikov #3 RHD (2-way Goligoski)
#6 (defensive McDonagh) Boqvist

The question is can Bean develop into the #6 spot? Can Blankenburg fit the #3? Could Boqvist learn to play D and be a second pairing guy? What is Ceulemans ceiling?

I personally tend to think that PP#2 specialists who play bottom pair are worthless unless they can hold their own defensively. Sergachev can, and Boqvist can't. He's shown no sign of learning it. And if we add Chychrun, who likely takes over the point on PP#2, then you really have to wonder if Boqvist is just going to be a net negative player. To my mind he has to be going out if we're adding another PP QB.

 

[Fred Glover]

At some point this team will need to add a solid veteran or two
for as presently constructed it is still very young

 

[EspenK]

At some point this team will need to add a solid veteran or two
for as presently constructed it is still very young

In due time...not now. When there is a missing piece or two then ad the vets., I have no problem adding Chychrun. He is young enough to grow with the core and to be a long term asset and I don't think he would send the Jackets into serious playoff contenders thereby messing up a high draft pick.

 

[Iron Balls McGinty]

Oh boy

And then I heard what the ask is rumored to be. I don't think 2 1st round picks is on the table for us. I'll give up 1 from this year but not 2 froom any combination of future seasons.

 

[Toe Pick]

Good!

 

[Iron Balls McGinty]

The ask is too high... Come back to me when you want to be more reasonable.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Good!

I had no expectations and I’m still disappointed

 

[Iron Balls McGinty]

This doesn't fix defense but still... It creates options.

 

[VT]

The miserable 2019-20 season, where we knocked out the Leafs? Did he mean to say 2020-21? I can't read the article so I'm not sure if he is telling us something about 2019-20.



This is sort of how I understood it as well. The veterans didn't think Laine was meeting their standards (that he was legit awful is inarguable). Those were the standards that they and Torts built, and some wanted Laine gone. Jarmo's response was to say goodbye to those veterans, including Atkinson. Obviously I don't know exactly how Jones fits in that narrative but I can imagine that he was either upset at the new lax direction or he decided to leave because the team was becoming unrecognizable anyways.

Interestingly, Cam will get his wish in Philly to bring in Torts and burn down the country club that they've built there.



I personally tend to think that PP#2 specialists who play bottom pair are worthless unless they can hold their own defensively. Sergachev can, and Boqvist can't. He's shown no sign of learning it. And if we add Chychrun, who likely takes over the point on PP#2, then you really have to wonder if Boqvist is just going to be a net negative player. To my mind he has to be going out if we're adding another PP QB.

Judging by the next season, Jarmo's decision was the right one. Voracek is more important to the team than Atkinson. Savard, and especially Foligno are past their zenith of performance. Jones wanted to leave, whoever was here. We got Boqvist, Sillinger, Bean and pick in the 1th round this draft for him. Torts wanted to leave after the 2019/20 season.
Laine is starting to improve. And although his all around game is far from ideal, he is improving.

To Boqvist. He's still young, 22 year.